Charlie Kirk has been shot

[BackInTex]

Quick quiz: Who said, "And why is [David DePape, the man who took a hammer to Paul Pelosi's skull] still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out? By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out"?

Political violence is completely unacceptable. But this is not someone whose life should be celebrated or held up as an example of anything. He's no martyr. I certainly won't say that he got what he deserved -- no one deserves what happened to him, and again, political violence is completely unacceptable. But I will say he directly contributed to the atmosphere where it was more likely.

Lowering flags to half-staff for him? Awarding him the Medal of Freedom? That turns my stomach. --Bob

I do believe Kamala Harris was encouraging and IIRC contributed to funds specifically to bail out George Floyd rioters. No qualifications on which ones or how serious the charges.

And I assume you voted for her to be POTUS.

So save your righteousness for somewhere else.

[BackInTex]

And btw, I don’t agree with the lowering flags. If I had one I would, but not as an official proclamation from the government.

[Bob78164]

Quick quiz: Who said, "And why is [David DePape, the man who took a hammer to Paul Pelosi's skull] still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out? By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out"?

Political violence is completely unacceptable. But this is not someone whose life should be celebrated or held up as an example of anything. He's no martyr. I certainly won't say that he got what he deserved -- no one deserves what happened to him, and again, political violence is completely unacceptable. But I will say he directly contributed to the atmosphere where it was more likely.

Lowering flags to half-staff for him? Awarding him the Medal of Freedom? That turns my stomach. --Bob

I do believe Kamala Harris was encouraging and IIRC contributed to funds specifically to bail out George Floyd rioters. No qualifications on which ones or how serious the charges.

And I assume you voted for her to be POTUS.

So save your righteousness for somewhere else.

You have your facts wrong. She didn't contribute a penny. And she called for contribution to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which protects protestors arrested for exercising their First Amendment rights. So let me ask you, what do you have against the First Amendment?

More to the point, if/when the FBI manages to catch the guy who shot Kirk (given its current "leadership," I have grave concerns about its ability to execute its mission), how would you react to a prominent Democratic pundit (not even an officeholder) saying, "Why is he still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out? By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in Utah or the Salt Lake City area wants to be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out"?

Come to think of it, why is the FBI involved at all? What makes this a federal crime? --Bob

[Beebs52]

"But I will say he directly contributed to the atmosphere where it was more likely."

This is a passive aggressive comment to allow you to agree with the shooting.

There are so many"contributors" to whatever atmosphere that DON'T justify murder. Right, left, whatever.

[mrkelley23]

Other than the MSNBC host, who has already been canceled, can anyone cite any responsible Democrat who has expressed anything but sadness and regret over this shooting? I see a lot of people posting online about how terrible "the left" is because they are rejoicing in this shooting, but I don't see any evidence other than anonymous trolls -- ironically, the same kind of trolls who come out of the woodwork after violence against Democrats rejoicing about those victims.

I honestly don't know too much about Charlie Kirk, other than he recently told Taylor Swift she should submit to her husband, but he didn't deserve to die, his young family is unfortunately in ruins, and our society's propensity toward violence continues apace.

[tlynn78]

Other than the MSNBC host, who has already been canceled, can anyone cite any responsible Democrat who has expressed anything but sadness and regret over this shooting? I see a lot of people posting online about how terrible "the left" is because they are rejoicing in this shooting, but I don't see any evidence other than anonymous trolls -- ironically, the same kind of trolls who come out of the woodwork after violence against Democrats rejoicing about those victims.

I honestly don't know too much about Charlie Kirk, other than he recently told Taylor Swift she should submit to her husband, but he didn't deserve to die, his young family is unfortunately in ruins, and our society's propensity toward violence continues apace.

Your definition of "responsible Democrat" undoubtedly differs from mine, but at least a few "educators" have already lost their jobs due to their soulless comments, and there is the inability of the dem infants in the House who couldn't simply stfu respectfully for 60 seconds...

[mrkelley23]

Other than the MSNBC host, who has already been canceled, can anyone cite any responsible Democrat who has expressed anything but sadness and regret over this shooting? I see a lot of people posting online about how terrible "the left" is because they are rejoicing in this shooting, but I don't see any evidence other than anonymous trolls -- ironically, the same kind of trolls who come out of the woodwork after violence against Democrats rejoicing about those victims.

I honestly don't know too much about Charlie Kirk, other than he recently told Taylor Swift she should submit to her husband, but he didn't deserve to die, his young family is unfortunately in ruins, and our society's propensity toward violence continues apace.

Your definition of "responsible Democrat" undoubtedly differs from mine, but at least a few "educators" have already lost their jobs due to their soulless comments, and there is the inability of the dem infants in the House who couldn't simply stfu respectfully for 60 seconds...

So it's the Dem "infants" who needed to stfu respectfully while one of their own was being sworn in for the first time, and Lauren Boebert shouted down the House (out of order) to insist on a prayer? Hokay.

[tlynn78]

Other than the MSNBC host, who has already been canceled, can anyone cite any responsible Democrat who has expressed anything but sadness and regret over this shooting? I see a lot of people posting online about how terrible "the left" is because they are rejoicing in this shooting, but I don't see any evidence other than anonymous trolls -- ironically, the same kind of trolls who come out of the woodwork after violence against Democrats rejoicing about those victims.

I honestly don't know too much about Charlie Kirk, other than he recently told Taylor Swift she should submit to her husband, but he didn't deserve to die, his young family is unfortunately in ruins, and our society's propensity toward violence continues apace.

Your definition of "responsible Democrat" undoubtedly differs from mine, but at least a few "educators" have already lost their jobs due to their soulless comments, and there is the inability of the dem infants in the House who couldn't simply stfu respectfully for 60 seconds...

So it's the Dem "infants" who needed to stfu respectfully while one of their own was being sworn in for the first time, and Lauren Boebert shouted down the House (out of order) to insist on a prayer? Hokay.

Like I said...

[Weyoun]

You need to work on your sarcasm. Not vitriol.

I wasn't being sarcastic, or vitriolic. It's sad, and I am sure the next murder will use this to justify itself.

"Fuck off" is being vitriolic.

I truly thought you were being sarcastic. My apologies.
Unfortunately people rate murders vis a vis whatever they believe in. I see you do that, regardless,sometimes, even if you don't mean it?

Apologies accepted. I'm not sure why you would think I would be happy or glib about someone's murder.

[Weyoun]

And they held and released two suspects so far. None in custody at this time.

Kash Patel's crack FBI at work. I bet they passed a lie detector test, though. Maybe that kid in counter terrorism who worked at Denny's last year can take a look at things.

[Weyoun]

Other than the MSNBC host, who has already been canceled, can anyone cite any responsible Democrat who has expressed anything but sadness and regret over this shooting? I see a lot of people posting online about how terrible "the left" is because they are rejoicing in this shooting, but I don't see any evidence other than anonymous trolls -- ironically, the same kind of trolls who come out of the woodwork after violence against Democrats rejoicing about those victims.

I honestly don't know too much about Charlie Kirk, other than he recently told Taylor Swift she should submit to her husband, but he didn't deserve to die, his young family is unfortunately in ruins, and our society's propensity toward violence continues apace.

It's just random folks on the internet, which is going to happen when you have millions of people saying things. Those types of comments should be condemned and hypersensitive fascist snowflake bellyaching ignored.

I think there is a useful comparison between this and Paul Pelosi - the latter was the source of jokes and all sorts of cheering. I don't recall a lot of hand wringing about Trump's retard son making jokes about the Pelosi assault on here.

[Weyoun]

This is what we lost yesterday.

We will carry on his work.

I admire Kirk’s devotion to religious morality as the foundation of our society. Any law, no matter how well crafted, can be corrupted if officials disregard the ethics behind it. (Just yesterday, I happened to be thinking that our honest justice system is based not on any amendment, but on the 9th commandment.)

I’m disturbed, though, by Kirk’s reliance on Christian values. While the Founders were overwhelmingly Protestant and relied on the Bible, most religions have similar principles. Even today, judicial candidates who happen to be Muslim are asked if they will base their rulings on Shariah. Jewish college students have to avow that our love of Israel as the Biblical Holy Land doesn’t imply support for Bibi’s atrocities. Since our country was founded, religious liberty, for all faiths, has been as fundamental as any of the morals that Kirk venerates.

It's also strange how there apparently is a definitive Christian position on transgenderism, according to Kirk. I mean I guess Genesis 1? That works for folks who think the world was made in six days, I suppose. Interestingly, everything in the Bible supports the worldview of mainstream white American males - college football may even be the most Christian sport.

[Weyoun]

For those (including the person speaking from the Oval Office yesterday) tempted to condemn Democrats or an "out-of-control left" for yesterday's assassination, let's not forget Melissa Hortman.

Or the plot to kidnap Governor Whitmer.

Or January 6. --Bob

Well, Bob, we won't forget Butler, PA or Ryan Routh. We won't forget Steve Scalese. We won't forget Ashley Babbit, who was arguably the only one killed on Jan 6, if you classify Rosanne Boyland's death as an overdose. Want to do a tit for tat?

Are you prepared for the riots in multiple cities in response to Charlie's assassination? Don't hold your breath for a George Floyd reaction. We don't do that. You conveniently ignored that President Trump told the crowd to be 'peaceful and patriotic', yet your leaders went so far as to excuse the '6 foot' rule in the Covid lockdown to encourage the 'mostly peaceful' Floyd protests.

What we definitely won't forget is the rhetoric. Being called nazis, facists, threats to YOUR democracy, transphobes, homophobes, xenophobes, etc. The ubiquitous and never-ending race-baiting. That is all BS, and most of you know it, but you go on doing it. Because it makes a big impression on the lunatics and useful idiots on your side of the fence.

There are people cataloging and publishing posts from 'BlueSky' making or suggesting the next 'targets' after Kirk. I showed the unfiltered reaction of Matthew Dowd on MSLSD. How many others with his disgusting mindset did not have the benefit of being on live TV? No, your side does not seem to be under control.

You refuse to debate and resort to the above once your initial argument is refuted. What Charlie Kirk was good at was listening and talking to people who didn't agree with him and getting them to reason with him if they were capable of doing so. Name one person who can do that who represents the democrat party or the left, Bob....

Those are bad, too. All of this is bad. I am curious how you can see all these back and forth names and think this is sustainable, or that your side is entirely virtuous and without flaws.

[BackInTex]

And they held and released two suspects so far. None in custody at this time.

Kash Patel's crack FBI at work. I bet they passed a lie detector test, though. Maybe that kid in counter terrorism who worked at Denny's last year can take a look at things.

The FBI hadn't even been brought in yet, moron.

[BackInTex]

News is reporting the suspect is in custody, turned in by his family.

[mikehardware]

Reported on cnn.com Suspect in Charlie Kirk killing is in custody, President Trump says
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/charli ... h-09-12-25

[flockofseagulls104]

Here we go again. Bob comes into the thread and he wants to talk about Paul Pelosi for some reason. Change the subject.

Here's the thing. Charlie Kirk was not a hater. He was not a nazi or a fascist or any other bullshit he has been accused of. He had viewpoints and perspective that differed from the approved narrative of the leftist democrat party. He had viewpoints and perspective that correspond to the majority of the American population and he did not back down or apologize for those opinions as is somehow required by the people who believe they control our society and culture.

We do not know, for sure, the motives of the specific shooter or the group of people who assassinated him, but we do know the history and actions taken against Kirk and any conservative leader who tried to appear at our colleges and universities. These people have no respect for the law or the 1st amendment. Their only goal was to silence anyone who disagreed with what they had been indoctrinated to believe. They are not limited to colleges, either. They show up at any political gathering or hearing and many times have to be dragged out kicking and screaming.

I could go on describing the people and the tactics used by the left, but I will leave it here. The assassination of Charlie Kirk seems to me to be just an escalation of the "mostly peaceful" political violence that is not only accepted, but encouraged, by the left in this country. And the democrat party is controlled by the left.

[Spock]

I submit that none of us here "GOT" Charlie Kirk and whatever videos we see of people cheering and whatever clips we might pick out of his (Looking at you Mr Kelley) don't matter at all.

What matters is what the 22-year olds who Charlie spoke to in ways that none of us will ever understand see in their feeds and their reaction to it that matters.

[mrkelley23]

I submit that none of us here "GOT" Charlie Kirk and whatever videos we see of people cheering and whatever clips we might pick out of his (Looking at you Mr Kelley) don't matter at all.

What matters is what the 22-year olds who Charlie spoke to in ways that none of us will ever understand see in their feeds and their reaction to it that matters.

Not sure why I was name dropped here, unless it was about my admission that the only thing I knew about him was the Taylor Swift thing, but that was just part of my admission of ignorance. FWIW, I agree with your conclusion.

[flockofseagulls104]

I submit that none of us here "GOT" Charlie Kirk and whatever videos we see of people cheering and whatever clips we might pick out of his (Looking at you Mr Kelley) don't matter at all.

What matters is what the 22-year olds who Charlie spoke to in ways that none of us will ever understand see in their feeds and their reaction to it that matters.

Not sure why I was name dropped here, unless it was about my admission that the only thing I knew about him was the Taylor Swift thing, but that was just part of my admission of ignorance. FWIW, I agree with your conclusion.

You apparently know more about Charlie Kirk than Matthew Dowd, which is next to nothing poisoned by the sources you get your information from. You need to broaden your horizons, which is exactly what Charlie Kirk was about and why he was able to get millions of young people to understand conservative values. He listened to them and responded with reason and logic.

[flockofseagulls104]

Other than the MSNBC host, who has already been canceled, can anyone cite any responsible Democrat who has expressed anything but sadness and regret over this shooting? I see a lot of people posting online about how terrible "the left" is because they are rejoicing in this shooting, but I don't see any evidence other than anonymous trolls -- ironically, the same kind of trolls who come out of the woodwork after violence against Democrats rejoicing about those victims.

I honestly don't know too much about Charlie Kirk, other than he recently told Taylor Swift she should submit to her husband, but he didn't deserve to die, his young family is unfortunately in ruins, and our society's propensity toward violence continues apace.

I will tell you one thing, mrkelley. Look at my signature. I have been called these epithets and many, many more by the 'responsible democrats' just on this bored. Not ONE of these things is even remotely true. Now, I admit, I have tended to respond in kind, but only AFTER being assaulted by this crap first. But that is over, as far as I can control myself. I will NOT put up with it anymore. So, don't be claiming that there is not hatred and vitriol among responsible democrats. I see it every day on my little level. I can only imagine what Charlie Kirk or Donald Trump could add to their signatures if they were so inclined.

Start owning the hatred of your party and doing something to stop it.

[flockofseagulls104]

he recently told Taylor Swift she should submit to her husband

How is this 'hateful'? Who decided to label that perspective 'hateful'? Why do you subscribe to that, (assuming you do, since you cited that)? Have you listened to Charlie's full statement explaining why he said that, assuming he actually did?

That's what we need to do. We need to question what is being fed to us.

[Weyoun]

And they held and released two suspects so far. None in custody at this time.

Kash Patel's crack FBI at work. I bet they passed a lie detector test, though. Maybe that kid in counter terrorism who worked at Denny's last year can take a look at things.

The FBI hadn't even been brought in yet, moron.

https://apple.news/Awr7gsk4KQ7OJXMKW6VUevA

You’re an absolute blowhard. Anyway looks like daddy broke the case.

[Weyoun]

he recently told Taylor Swift she should submit to her husband

How is this 'hateful'? Who decided to label that perspective 'hateful'? Why do you subscribe to that, (assuming you do, since you cited that)? Have you listened to Charlie's full statement explaining why he said that, assuming he actually did?

That's what we need to do. We need to question what is being fed to us.

It’s not hateful, but it’s completely fucking goofy for someone to tell two other adults how to live.

[Weyoun]

Other than the MSNBC host, who has already been canceled, can anyone cite any responsible Democrat who has expressed anything but sadness and regret over this shooting? I see a lot of people posting online about how terrible "the left" is because they are rejoicing in this shooting, but I don't see any evidence other than anonymous trolls -- ironically, the same kind of trolls who come out of the woodwork after violence against Democrats rejoicing about those victims.

I honestly don't know too much about Charlie Kirk, other than he recently told Taylor Swift she should submit to her husband, but he didn't deserve to die, his young family is unfortunately in ruins, and our society's propensity toward violence continues apace.

I will tell you one thing, mrkelley. Look at my signature. I have been called these epithets and many, many more by the 'responsible democrats' just on this bored. Not ONE of these things is even remotely true. Now, I admit, I have tended to respond in kind, but only AFTER being assaulted by this crap first. But that is over, as far as I can control myself. I will NOT put up with it anymore. So, don't be claiming that there is not hatred and vitriol among responsible democrats. I see it every day on my little level. I can only imagine what Charlie Kirk or Donald Trump could add to their signatures if they were so inclined.

Start owning the hatred of your party and doing something to stop it.

A lot of those quotes aren’t hateful. Saying you are ignorant is just a statement of fact, and it may be mean but it’s not akin to saying someone should die because they passed off a counterfeit twenty.

No one is persecuting you. You are persecuting yourself