Initial Report - He will be OK

[silverscreenselect]

That makes no sense Bob.

First, isn’t your rhetoric, and that of your party intended to “change minds”? Or do you just speak to antagonize?

So I’m pretty sure he’s not really Republican.

Bob wasn't the person on this Bored who misidentified the shooter by name and claimed he was a member of Antifa (an "organization" that only exists in the minds of certain MAGA believers).

And for whatever it's worth, the shooter was too young to vote for President before now, but he could have voted in the 2022 statewide elections and in this year's Republican primaries.

[BackInTex]

That makes no sense Bob.

First, isn’t your rhetoric, and that of your party intended to “change minds”? Or do you just speak to antagonize?

So I’m pretty sure he’s not really Republican.

Bob wasn't the person on this Bored who misidentified the shooter by name and claimed he was a member of Antifa (an "organization" that only exists in the minds of certain MAGA believers).

And for whatever it's worth, the shooter was too young to vote for President before now, but he could have voted in the 2022 statewide elections and in this year's Republican primaries.

My comment had nothing to do with any Antifa claim. Just the Democratic rhetoric charge. If you’re going to defend, at least defend what’s being questioned.

CNN disagrees with you and Bob regarding Antifa. Note their use of a capital “A”.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/08/14/us/w ... ntifa-trnd

The group doesn't have an official leader or headquarters, although groups in certain states hold regular meetings.

“The group…..

[Bob78164]

The FBI has identified the shooter as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks of Bethel Park, Pennsylvania. According to voter records, someone with the same name at the same address was a registered Republican.

So much for the Republican officeholders trying to blame the shooting on Democratic rhetoric or people on this Bored trying to blame "antifa" (whatever that may mean). --Bob

That makes no sense Bob.

First, isn’t your rhetoric, and that of your party intended to “change minds”? Or do you just speak to antagonize?

Second, the shooter was 20 years old, so has never voted in a presidential election.

Third, he monetary supported liberal causes.

When Crooks was 17 he made a $15 donation to ActBlue, a political action committee that raises money for left-leaning and Democratic politicians, according to a 2021 Federal Election Commission filing.

He was 17 and that was three years ago, but as relevant as his party registration.

And forth, he tried to assassinate the Republican candidate.

So I’m pretty sure he’s not really Republican.

I have more evidence for my conclusion (he's not "antifa") than you had for your conclusion that he was. And believe it or not, there are Republicans who loathe Donny every bit as much as I do. --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

House Republican Immediately Accuses Biden of Having ‘Sent the Orders’ to Kill Trump

Within minutes of a shooting at former President Donald Trump’s rally Saturday, Rep. Mike Collins (R-GA) blamed President Joe Biden and called for him to be prosecuted. Shortly after the incident, Collins posted a tweet accusing the president of attempting to assassinate his rival. “Joe Biden sent the orders,” wrote Collins. Collins followed up with another tweet calling for the local county prosecutor to “immediately file charges against Joseph R. Biden for inciting an assassination.”

The second tweet was sent at 6:57pm Saturday. Trump was shot shortly after 6:00. There are a lot of other conspiracy theories coming out of right-wing sources including other members of Congress like Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[BackInTex]

The FBI has identified the shooter as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks of Bethel Park, Pennsylvania. According to voter records, someone with the same name at the same address was a registered Republican.

So much for the Republican officeholders trying to blame the shooting on Democratic rhetoric or people on this Bored trying to blame "antifa" (whatever that may mean). --Bob

That makes no sense Bob.

First, isn’t your rhetoric, and that of your party intended to “change minds”? Or do you just speak to antagonize?

Second, the shooter was 20 years old, so has never voted in a presidential election.

Third, he monetary supported liberal causes.

When Crooks was 17 he made a $15 donation to ActBlue, a political action committee that raises money for left-leaning and Democratic politicians, according to a 2021 Federal Election Commission filing.

He was 17 and that was three years ago, but as relevant as his party registration.

And forth, he tried to assassinate the Republican candidate.

So I’m pretty sure he’s not really Republican.

I have more evidence for my conclusion (he's not "antifa") than you had for your conclusion that he was. And believe it or not, there are Republicans who loathe Donny every bit as much as I do. --Bob

You, and SSS, continue to respond to things that don’t exist and not those challenged.

I never claimed the shooter was a member of Antifa. YOU however claimed Antifa was some made up concept of conservatives.

I responded to your claim. And you choose to ignore it. I know why. You don’t want to admit you are wrong.

YOU implied no one can claim Democratic rhetoric could not legitimately be blamed for the shooter’s actions. I responded to that asking what the purpose of that rhetoric was and again you choose not to respond, probably for the same reason as you didn’t respond to my Antifa response.

Yes, there are those in the Republican Party that do not like Trump, but not to the extent you do. They aren’t willing to run the country into the ground by not voting for him. You’ve made it clear devastation of the country is more acceptable to you than to repeat the years 2017-2020.

[tlynn78]

The FBI has identified the shooter as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks of Bethel Park, Pennsylvania. According to voter records, someone with the same name at the same address was a registered Republican.

So much for the Republican officeholders trying to blame the shooting on Democratic rhetoric or people on this Bored trying to blame "antifa" (whatever that may mean). --Bob

Right, because leftist activists weren't out there getting leftist to "registere Republican" in order to vote in the primaries.

[silverscreenselect]

Apparently, authorities found several bombs or incendiary devices in this kid's car that could be triggered remotely. They also dispatched the bomb squad to the house. I've seen a picture of the shooter. He's the protypical scrawny nerd with glasses. He got math and science awards in high school but was picked on by bullies.

I'm getting the feeling that this shooting wasn't motivated by politics but by what often happens with this sort of person, a desire to prove a point and show how macho he is on the largest stage he can find. If it wasn't a Trump rally, it could have been a concert or a football game. Those bombs in his car indicate he wasn't immediately suicidal but rather wanted to use them later and didn't realize how quickly the Secret Service would respond once the shooting started.

[flockofseagulls104]

First of all, last night I was REPORTING what was being reported in real time. I was very clear that nothing I posted was my opinion.
Second of all, I don't give a shit what the political leanings of the shooter turn out to be.

Your party, bob, trollboy and the others, has for 8 years smeared this man with every foul accusation they could dream up, with absolutely no basis in any fact, just political propaganda. When your top leaders all the way down, equate this man with Adolph Hitler, and the 'news media' eagerly goes along with it, it is YOU that are inciting violence and giving implicit motivation for someone to kill this man. Has anyone seen any of these people confess and atone for this? I have not seen any.

Yes, I've wondered myself if I could go back to the 1930's with the knowledge of history I have now, if I would sacrifice myself and kill Adolph Hitler. But your party and most of you lefties are completely unhinged and partially complicit in this assassination attempt. Donald Trump is IN NO WAY comparable to Hitler, IS NOT a threat to this country (or democracy as you mislabel it). And what is worse, YOU KNOW IT. He has already had 4 years in the office he is running for now, and NOTHING like you accuse him of even remotely happened. If anything remotely like what you keep making up had happened or even was possible, I would not be supporting him, and neither would millions of others.

I, on this bored, have expressed this in so many ways over the years, and I have brushed aside, made fun of, and chastised you for your over the top partisan accusations. No more. Bob, after a long absence from this forum, has come back with some lame excuses for what has happened. He expressed no concern for what happened and what could have happened to the man who he considers an enemy, nor to the other people in the crowd that were murdered or injured in the assassination attempt. I might have missed any subsequent post where he expressed any human concern. Instead, he goes right into democrat vs republican. Bob, you deserve no respect or credibility from anyone. You are a complete arrogant, partisan hack. If that offends your sensitive ego, then go ahead and sue me.

If you want to question President Trump on his policies, in comparison with what we've had to experience in the past 3 1/2 years, that is fair game. But ANYONE who continues to cast aspersions on Trump's character, motivations or speculations on his future actions based on stupid partisan rumors that have no basis in fact is showing themselves for who they are. Disgusting human beings.

I hope and pray that BOTH sides learn something from this tragedy that was averted by 1 millimeter, by God's hand. When the campaign resumes, I hope it is only about policy and the future direction of this country. We all KNOW there are unhinged people on both sides of the political aisle. People who are supposed to be in 'responsible' positions of power should know this. Giving these people the implicit permission to be 'heroes' is completely irresponsible. I don't want any new laws restricting freedom of speech. But those who engage in irresponsible and factless rhetoric must be called out and removed from positions of power.

And it would be fitting and right that all the lawfare being used as part of the campaign to tear down and 'eliminate' Trump be called off and all political prisoners be released. That's my hope and prayer.

[silverscreenselect]

And it would be fitting and right that all the lawfare being used as part of the campaign to tear down and 'eliminate' Trump be called off and all political prisoners be released. That's my hope and prayer.

I'm sure that's your hope. And this shooting gives you a mighty convenient way to express that hope in a manner that's not quite as cynical and partisan as usual.

[flockofseagulls104]

And it would be fitting and right that all the lawfare being used as part of the campaign to tear down and 'eliminate' Trump be called off and all political prisoners be released. That's my hope and prayer.

I'm sure that's your hope. And this shooting gives you a mighty convenient way to express that hope in a manner that's not quite as cynical and partisan as usual.

Trollboy, you have no place lecturing anyone about cynicism and partisanship. And I would ask you to give me a few minutes to edit and add to my posts before you respond to them. Maybe that would give you some time to actually read and think about them.

[wbtravis007]

It is being reported the shooter is one Mark Violeta, an Antifa member.

Not by any reputable news source.

[wbtravis007]

I know I don't know what I don't know, so I will reserve any comments. For now.

Anyone who has observed your posts here for over 20 years knows that you don’t realize that you are are an insufferable and obnoxious dumbass, and that you don’t know that you don’t

[Bob78164]

I never claimed the shooter was a member of Antifa.

You explicitly "support[ed]" a claim that he was." --Bob

[Beebs52]

He was about 150 yards away from Trump when he shot from the only building tall enough in the vicinity to allow a shooter to hit the stage area. So this wasn't some "master sniper" shooting from a mile away. I would have thought that the secret service/police would have manned that building themselves before the shooting for the same reason.

I wonder if and when someone will blame this shooting on lax gun laws.

This was a huge failure on the Secret Service. Whoever was lead on the event should lose their job. Or at least be demoted.

As far as blaming gun laws, that blame won’t come from the side that was shot at. We’ll blame lax security, which is where blame should lie.

You're right. Many people will/should be fired or more based on lack of security.

[flockofseagulls104]

I never claimed the shooter was a member of Antifa.

You explicitly "support[ed]" a claim that he was." --Bob

Bob, get off it. What is your point if he did? (He didn't)

I didn't. I posted what was being reported at the time. THE REPORT WAS WRONG AND I WAS WRONG, OK?

It is being reported the shooter is one Mark Violeta, an Antifa member.

You are still under the delusion that antifa doesn't exist just as you are under the delusion that biden is running the country.

Amazing coincidence that hundreds of people show up at the same time in the same place with masks covering their faces and dressed in black to commit vandalism, arson and murder.

And you are still under the delusion that trump is hitler.

You and the other lefties are on this kick as to the political persuasion of this assassin. That is not the point. He was a troubled man with mental issues. The point is the years of lies disseminated about and the attempt at dehumanizing Trump that the democrat party and the swamp promoted and that the media conglomerate amplified. You are, once again, deflecting.

You have no credibility.

[Bob78164]

This was a huge failure on the Secret Service. Whoever was lead on the event should lose their job. Or at least be demoted.

As far as blaming gun laws, that blame won’t come from the side that was shot at. We’ll blame lax security, which is where blame should lie.

I agree with the first point, or at least its first sentence. I'll reserve judgment on the second sentence until we know more about how the security breakdown happened.

But two things can both be true at the same time. The security breakdown would have been (what we lawyers call) "harmless error" if the shooter hadn't had such a powerful weapon.

The weapon was reportedly legally purchased by the shooter's father. (The FBI has said they do NOT suspect a "straw man" purchase, which means they do NOT think the father was buying the rifle for his son's use.) I have a hard time understanding why anyone would need a high-powered rifle for personal protection, or why it's sound policy for weapons with such destructive power to be freely available. --Bob

[Bob78164]

The daughter of the man who died yesterday shielding his family from gunfire has made a statement:

Yesterday time stopped. And when it started again my family and I started living a real-life nightmare.

What was supposed to be an exciting day that we had all looked forward to (ESPECIALLY my dad), turned into the most traumatizing experiences someone could imagine.

I know the media will cover this event. And I'm going to try my best to stay away from looking at everything, especially because I've already seen and lived through it in real time. But I want everyone to know what the media will not cover, and will not say about him.

He was the best dad a girl could ever ask for. My sister and I never needed for anything. You call, he would answer, and he would do whatever it is you needed, and if he didn't know how he would figure out how. He could talk and make friends with anyone, which he was doing all day yesterday and loved every minute of it. He was a man of God, loved Jesus fiercely, and also looked after our church and our members as family.

The media will not tell you that he died a real-life super hero. They are not going to tell you how quickly he threw my mom and I to the ground. They are not going to tell you that he shielded my body from the bullet that came at us.

He loved his family. He truly loved us enough to take a real bullet for us. And I want nothing more than to cry on him and tell him thank you. I want nothing more than to wake up and for this to not be reality for me and my family.

We lost a selfless, loving, husband, father, brother, uncle, son, and friend. And I will never stop thinking about him and mourning over him until the day that I die too. July 13th will forever be a day the changed my life. I will never be the same person I was less than 24 hours ago.

There are a lot of children out there that say their dad is their hero, but my dad really is mine. I don't think I would be here today without him.

Dad, I love you so much that there aren't enough words to express how deep that love goes. I know you'll give heaven some hell. I know that God is proud of the man that came to His gates yesterday

I'm glad she was mistaken about the media publicizing her father's heroism. My thoughts go out to this family for their tragic loss. --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

The point is the years of lies disseminated about and the attempt at dehumanizing Trump that the democrat party and the swamp promoted and that the media conglomerate amplified.

Here's someone who agrees with you. And it's not some nameless guy on Twitter who's apparently the source for many of your "facts" like the shooter's name last night.

The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination.

That guy is a finalist for Trump's VP candidate. I expect we'll hear a lot of similar comments at the Republican convention in the next few days.

[tlynn78]

I know I don't know what I don't know, so I will reserve any comments. For now.

Anyone who has observed your posts here for over 20 years knows that you don’t realize that you are are an insufferable and obnoxious dumbass, and that you don’t know that you don’t

You are absolutely hilariously lacking self-awareness.

[flockofseagulls104]

This was a huge failure on the Secret Service. Whoever was lead on the event should lose their job. Or at least be demoted.

As far as blaming gun laws, that blame won’t come from the side that was shot at. We’ll blame lax security, which is where blame should lie.

I agree with the first point, or at least its first sentence. I'll reserve judgment on the second sentence until we know more about how the security breakdown happened.

But two things can both be true at the same time. The security breakdown would have been (what we lawyers call) "harmless error" if the shooter hadn't had such a powerful weapon.

The weapon was reportedly legally purchased by the shooter's father. (The FBI has said they do NOT suspect a "straw man" purchase, which means they do NOT think the father was buying the rifle for his son's use.) I have a hard time understanding why anyone would need a high-powered rifle for personal protection, or why it's sound policy for weapons with such destructive power to be freely available. --Bob

Thankfully this country does not have to rely on your understanding.

Bob, It is apparent that none of you lefties have the courage or any facts to take up a factual challenge. Every one of them I have made has been dodged or weaseled out of. But I will give you a chance to salvage an ounce of your credibility if you can.

Tell me, FACTUALLY, why your party, which you want to have the one-party ruling this country, insists that Trump is as much or more of a threat than Hitler. What has he done, threatened to do, or stated he will do that in any way resembles what Hitler did? He has already had 4 years as President. You should have a lot of material. Show me evidence of his Final Solution of Genocide. Show me his master plan for murdering a group of people for whatever reason. Show me specific evidence that he is planning to be some sort of dictator. EVIDENCE, bob, not warmed over garbage from some internet influencer. Not proclamations by some politician or pundit. You, as an above-average lawyer, should understand that. To save time, try to avoid the cliches that trollboy has used that I have already stated my answer to. Like 'Dictator for one day, which was obvious satire to make a point. Or the 'Reich' ad, which is not proof of anything and has already been debunked. Give me factual evidence for that claim.

If you can't do that, then sincerely denounce all the disgusting assholes in the party you want to rule this country who have stated that lie repeatedly and unmistakenly over the years. Put up or shut up. It's one or the other. Failing to do so shows you to be the weasel you are.

[flockofseagulls104]

The point is the years of lies disseminated about and the attempt at dehumanizing Trump that the democrat party and the swamp promoted and that the media conglomerate amplified.

Here's someone who agrees with you. And it's not some nameless guy on Twitter who's apparently the source for many of your "facts" like the shooter's name last night.

The central premise of the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That rhetoric led directly to President Trump’s attempted assassination.

That guy is a finalist for Trump's VP candidate. I expect we'll hear a lot of similar comments at the Republican convention in the next few days.

Well, trollboy, how is he wrong? Tell me.

Telling me I haven't seen what I have seen or haven't heard what I have heard doesn't work for me. It only works in your bullshit world, and I don't live there.

[BackInTex]

I never claimed the shooter was a member of Antifa.

You explicitly "support[ed]" a claim that he was." --Bob

I did not Bob. Quit making lies about me. I didn’t even implicitly claim or support such a claim. I would think as an attorney you’d know better. But I’ll give you some grace due to your TDS. And perhaps something worse you haven’t told the bored.

And you still haven’t responded to my response to your assertion that Antifa is some figment of conservatives’ imaginations.

[Bob78164]

I never claimed the shooter was a member of Antifa.

You explicitly "support[ed]" a claim that he was." --Bob

I did not Bob. Quit making lies about me. I didn’t even implicitly claim or support such a claim. I would think as an attorney you’d know better. But I’ll give you some grace due to your TDS. And perhaps something worse you haven’t told the bored.

And you still haven’t responded to my response to your assertion that Antifa is some figment of conservatives’ imaginations.

"Antifa" has as much reality as "the religious right." It's not an organized entity. It's an unorganized group of radicals sometimes sharing a common agenda.

The precise quote (with typo not corrected) was: " I won’t repeat any of what I recall from the article since I can no longe find it, other than it did say he was an Antifa member or sympathizer (to support what Flock is reporting)." You were supporting another poster's (false and irresponsible) report that he was antifa. --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

You explicitly "support[ed]" a claim that he was." --Bob

I did not Bob. Quit making lies about me. I didn’t even implicitly claim or support such a claim. I would think as an attorney you’d know better. But I’ll give you some grace due to your TDS. And perhaps something worse you haven’t told the bored.

And you still haven’t responded to my response to your assertion that Antifa is some figment of conservatives’ imaginations.

"Antifa" has as much reality as "the religious right." It's not an organized entity. It's an unorganized group of radicals sometimes sharing a common agenda.

The precise quote (with typo not corrected) was: " I won’t repeat any of what I recall from the article since I can no longe find it, other than it did say he was an Antifa member or sympathizer (to support what Flock is reporting)." You were supporting another poster's (false and irresponsible) report that he was antifa. --Bob

Bob, what kind of lawyer are you? I said 'It is being reported'. Which was true at that time. I did not make any statement about the report's veracity. My text was copied and pasted from the report. I made no comment on it. Drop your deflection and address the main point for once.

[BackInTex]

You explicitly "support[ed]" a claim that he was." --Bob

I did not Bob. Quit making lies about me. I didn’t even implicitly claim or support such a claim. I would think as an attorney you’d know better. But I’ll give you some grace due to your TDS. And perhaps something worse you haven’t told the bored.

And you still haven’t responded to my response to your assertion that Antifa is some figment of conservatives’ imaginations.

"Antifa" has as much reality as "the religious right." It's not an organized entity. It's an unorganized group of radicals sometimes sharing a common agenda.

The precise quote (with typo not corrected) was: " I won’t repeat any of what I recall from the article since I can no longe find it, other than it did say he was an Antifa member or sympathizer (to support what Flock is reporting)." You were supporting another poster's (false and irresponsible) report that he was antifa. --Bob

I was not. I was responding to Krox’s statement about not being able to find the story Flock reported on. I simply provided confirmation that yes there was such a story posted. My “support” is no more than your support of my post (you acknowledging I posted something). You have absolutely no credibility anymore. If another values your opinion before they certainly shouldn’t now as you have proven you can’t acknowledge facts even if they have no bearing on an issue. Just that they come from someone you don’t agree with. You are a pathetic liar and deceiver (in my opinion).