New American Policy for Middle East - Genocide

[kroxquo]

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/04/nx-s1-52 ... efire-gaza

[Beebs52]

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/04/nx-s1-52 ... efire-gaza

What?

[tlynn78]

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/04/nx-s1-52 ... efire-gaza

What?

Ah yes, such measured response. I actually caught that clip on CNN. Trump literally said something very like "Gaza is a mess, no one should live there." Immediately following the clip the "journalist" said, "here is the President of the US calling for the forceable relocation of the Gazan people"

[Beebs52]

Where is someone promoting genocide?

[Weyoun]

More like ethnic cleansing

[flockofseagulls104]

It was and is the policy of Hamas and Iran all along.
Somehow that is allright with you.
Gaza cannot be habitable for many years. That is one of the consequences of starting a war by committing unspeakable atrocities.. What is there to go back to? Trump is trying to negotiate a possible solution. You are all just miserable back benchers.

[jarnon]

No, this isn’t genocide. Just a half-baked idea.

The Palestinians will never willingly move to Egypt or Jordan and end up like their countrymen who have been permanent refugees for 75 years. They’d rather stay in squalid Gaza. Nor will any Middle Eastern country pay to rebuild Gaza so it can be inhabited by non-Palestinians.

The residents of Gaza (minus the remnants of Hamas) could be moved to the Negev or West Bank while Gaza is rebuilt. It would take great diplomacy by Trump to convince the right-wing Israeli government to allow that.

[BackInTex]

Tell me you don’t know what genocide is without saying “I don’t know what genocide is”.

You are playing the idiot. I don’t think you are really that dumb. I could be wrong.

[kroxquo]

OK, I'll concede. Genocide is overstating it. I'll go with Weyoun's definition of ethnic cleansing.

[kroxquo]

It was and is the policy of Hamas and Iran all along.
Somehow that is allright with you.
Gaza cannot be habitable for many years. That is one of the consequences of starting a war by committing unspeakable atrocities.. What is there to go back to? Trump is trying to negotiate a possible solution. You are all just miserable back benchers.

I have never said that I approved of Hamas's or Iran's actions or policies. But for better or worse, Gaza is the Palestinians' home and was for centuries before 1948.

And if Trump wants to keep America out of a war, American imperialism is not the way to do it. Taking Gaza and making it American will result in bloodshed for decades. Just ask the Israelis how well it worked for them.

[Spock]

Remember the previous 588 times you guys have gone spastic over something Trump said but it turned out to be "Trump being Trump" and not really amounting to anything.

Just calm down-we all know it is not going to happen.

After sleeping on it-I think we just saw "Real Estate Developer Trump" riffing on the potential of Gaza. He is known to riff a little.

Hey, it does have beautiful beaches and a wonderful climate, the potential of which Hamas totally wasted because they hate Jews so much.

Regardless, it is a new way of looking at the problem. Look at the potential of Gaza, not just the problems of Gaza.

[flockofseagulls104]

I have never said that I approved of Hamas's or Iran's actions or policies. But for better or worse, Gaza is the Palestinians' home and was for centuries before 1948.

I would suggest you study the history of Israel.

[tlynn78]

Tell me you don’t know what genocide is without saying “I don’t know what genocide is”.

You are playing the idiot. I don’t think you are really that dumb. I could be wrong.

It simply doesn't matter to them. They willingly play the stooge for the manipulative media leftist talking heads. They embrace and repeat what they're told to believe, and the facts be damned.

[Spock]

Remember the previous 588 times you guys have gone spastic over something Trump said but it turned out to be "Trump being Trump" and not really amounting to anything.

Just calm down-we all know it is not going to happen.

After sleeping on it-I think we just saw "Real Estate Developer Trump" riffing on the potential of Gaza. He is known to riff a little.

Hey, it does have beautiful beaches and a wonderful climate, the potential of which Hamas totally wasted because they hate Jews so much.

Regardless, it is a new way of looking at the problem. Look at the potential of Gaza, not just the problems of Gaza.

I was running my imagination and doing some stream of consciousness stuff on Gaza and possible new approaches and such while I was feeding the cattle this morning.

1) If you keep doing what you did, you will keep getting what you got.

2) Without knowing the specifics of Trieste, The Imperial Free City of Trieste popped into my mind as a possible description of the goal when I was listening to Trump's speech live.

3) They used to say (until about 1975) that "Beirut is the Paris of the Middle East". That was back when that meant something. Now the wags say that "Paris the Beirut of Europe." But anyway, you know what I mean and there is a precedent. Maybe there could be some sort of goal there.

[Weyoun]

Remember the previous 588 times you guys have gone spastic over something Trump said but it turned out to be "Trump being Trump" and not really amounting to anything.

Just calm down-we all know it is not going to happen.

After sleeping on it-I think we just saw "Real Estate Developer Trump" riffing on the potential of Gaza. He is known to riff a little.

Hey, it does have beautiful beaches and a wonderful climate, the potential of which Hamas totally wasted because they hate Jews so much.

Regardless, it is a new way of looking at the problem. Look at the potential of Gaza, not just the problems of Gaza.

I guess I must be autistic, because I didn’t find his comment suggesting ethnic cleansing to be very humorous. It also seems to have gone over like a lead balloon with much of the rest of the world. MBS must be autistic also.

[Weyoun]

Remember the previous 588 times you guys have gone spastic over something Trump said but it turned out to be "Trump being Trump" and not really amounting to anything.

Just calm down-we all know it is not going to happen.

After sleeping on it-I think we just saw "Real Estate Developer Trump" riffing on the potential of Gaza. He is known to riff a little.

Hey, it does have beautiful beaches and a wonderful climate, the potential of which Hamas totally wasted because they hate Jews so much.

Regardless, it is a new way of looking at the problem. Look at the potential of Gaza, not just the problems of Gaza.

I was running my imagination and doing some stream of consciousness stuff on Gaza and possible new approaches and such while I was feeding the cattle this morning.

1) If you keep doing what you did, you will keep getting what you got.

2) Without knowing the specifics of Trieste, The Imperial Free City of Trieste popped into my mind as a possible description of the goal when I was listening to Trump's speech live.

3) They used to say (until about 1975) that "Beirut is the Paris of the Middle East". That was back when that meant something. Now the wags say that "Paris the Beirut of Europe." But anyway, you know what I mean and there is a precedent. Maybe there could be some sort of goal there.

Trieste is pretty much why “irredentism” is a word, so maybe think of another example. Hint: Danzig also a bad example.

[jarnon]

Without knowing the specifics of Trieste, The Imperial Free City of Trieste popped into my mind as a possible description of the goal when I was listening to Trump's speech live.

3) They used to say (until about 1975) that "Beirut is the Paris of the Middle East". That was back when that meant something. Now the wags say that "Paris the Beirut of Europe." But anyway, you know what I mean and there is a precedent. Maybe there could be some sort of goal there.

There are other historical precedents, like Danzig and Hong Kong. Only a handful, such as Monaco and Singapore, have been successful. The UN proposed that model for Jerusalem in 1947, but the Arabs rejected it.

However, you can’t impose a peace plan against the will of the people of the territory and the surrounding countries whose support you’re counting on. Trump has made this point frequently, citing Iraq and Afghanistan. When he realizes the situation, he’ll pivot to a more realistic proposal.

[Spock]

Without knowing the specifics of Trieste, The Imperial Free City of Trieste popped into my mind as a possible description of the goal when I was listening to Trump's speech live.

3) They used to say (until about 1975) that "Beirut is the Paris of the Middle East". That was back when that meant something. Now the wags say that "Paris the Beirut of Europe." But anyway, you know what I mean and there is a precedent. Maybe there could be some sort of goal there.

There are other historical precedents, like Danzig and Hong Kong. Only a handful, such as Monaco and Singapore, have been successful. The UN proposed that model for Jerusalem in 1947, but the Arabs rejected it.

However, you can’t impose a peace plan against the will of the people of the territory and the surrounding countries whose support you’re counting on. Trump has made this point frequently, citing Iraq and Afghanistan. When he realizes the situation, he’ll pivot to a more realistic proposal.

Like I said-I was riffing on it a little.

Jarnon>>>"When he realizes the situation, he’ll pivot to a more realistic proposal"<<<

Hence my admonition to calm down instead of freaking out for the 588th time over something Trump said.

Conversely, I do think a major push will be made for Greenland in some fashion.

The Arctic is becoming too strategic for it not to be part of a "Great Game" scenario.

[Spock]

Interesting article considering (without flying off the handle) Trump's looking at the problem from a new angle.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/isra ... -palestine

>>."Trump said enough, we’re not rebuilding Gaza. Time for a new idea—the Gazans have to to go, they can try to start again somewhere else, in a land where every building still standing isn’t already wired to explode."<<<<

>>>"After all, what’s more fanciful, moving 1.7 million people out of Gaza, a large portion of whom would simply be required to board air-conditioned buses or walk across the nearby Egypt border, or compelling them to live in a giant rubble field booby-trapped by an Iran-backed terrorist group? Estimates vary as to how long it would take to clear Gaza of explosives—half a decade or more? 15 years? 20? Are the Gazans supposed to live quietly in tents for the next decade or two while their homes are rebuilt next door? Where? In “temporary cities” made of Dwell Magazine-like rehabbed shipping containers built by graduates of Birmingham University? In Hamas’ tunnels?"<<<<

>>>"Trump, in his innovative mercy, has offered to save the Palestinian people from their own history, and give them a new idea to live by. They should thank their maker for the chance to start anew—and give thanks as well to the American President, who realistically promises them a better future, backed by U.S. global power. Given the repeated failure of the multi-decade-long dream of eliminating and replacing the Jews of Israel, it seems unlikely that the Palestinians will receive a better offer."<<<

And No-I don't necessarily agree with the idea, but it is interesting to think about.

[Spock]

Another article on the subject

https://whatthehellisgoingon.substack.c ... gaz-a-lago

>>>"We don’t know what Donald Trump is thinking, and neither does anyone else who’s writing about his Gaza musings today. But we do know that Donald Trump in his first term upended the region, and forged the first meaningful peace between Jews and Arabs in decades. And he did it by ignoring the conventional wisdom, and the experts, and the think tanks, and the diplomats, and the peace processors. So, I’m inclined to give him a lot of credit for fresh ideas and fresh vision. Maybe this was not a “modest proposal;” maybe it was real. No matter what, it should shine a light on the bankruptcy of what has passed for a Gaza policy until now. Mazal tov."<<<

[Spock]

From Powerline

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/ ... lution.php

>>>"One odd thing about liberals is that they are not good at nuance. They are not skillful readers, and often have trouble understanding the tone of communications. This is what leads them, for example, to fact-check the Babylon Bee.

More importantly, it causes them to misunderstand President Trump. Trump has several ways of speaking: sometimes he is deadly serious; sometimes he is casually offering an out-of-the-box idea, perhaps for the purpose of widening the Overton Window; sometimes he is just being funny. For some reason, liberals have a hard time distinguishing among these various modes of communication. This is a real disability when, as now, Trump is unleashing so many initiatives and ideas that Democrats’ heads are exploding."<<<

>>"A case in point is Trump’s suggestion that the U.S. might take over Gaza. Ship the Gazans somewhere else, and turn the Strip into the Riviera of the Eastern Mediterranean. Prime Minister Netanyahu obviously enjoyed Trump’s riff, and the fact that Gaza by rights should be an elite destination rather than a hellhole has been noted many times over the years. Someday, it might even happen. But no, Trump isn’t planning on dispatching the Marines any time soon."<<<

[jarnon]

The Palestinian Authority has been battling terrorists in the West Bank for months. And they just announced that they will stop subsidies to Palestinians in Israeli jails and the families of “martyrs.”

No longer paying cash rewards to terrorists isn’t especially admirable. But it shows they’re aware of the new reality. They’re beating on Hamas now that Hamas and their allies in Lebanon and Syria are weakened. And they’re complying with a major U.S. demand in order to avoid becoming irrelevant as Trump, Bibi and Saudi Arabia strike a deal.

American and Israeli politicians and media have ignored these developments so far, as they’re fixated on Trump’s outlandish Gaza proposal.

[flockofseagulls104]

The Palestinian Authority has been battling terrorists in the West Bank for months. And they just announced that they will stop subsidies to Palestinians in Israeli jails and the families of “martyrs.”

No longer paying cash rewards to terrorists isn’t especially admirable. But it shows they’re aware of the new reality. They’re beating on Hamas now that Hamas and their allies in Lebanon and Syria are weakened. And they’re complying with a major U.S. demand in order to avoid becoming irrelevant as Trump, Bibi and Saudi Arabia strike a deal.

American and Israeli politicians and media have ignored these developments so far, as they’re fixated on Trump’s outlandish Gaza proposal.

Trump's "outlandish" proposal seems to have set some things in motion. After 4 years of going backward in the middle east and appeasing the terrorists, we seem to making some progress.

Maybe, just maybe, some of these entities that have been intractable in the past will give ground in order to avoid the "outlandish" proposal, because they believe Trump might actually do it, and he has the resources to enforce it. It's called "Peace Through Strength".