They Are Essentially Non-Deployable

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They Are Essentially Non-Deployable

#1 Post by Spock » Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:39 pm

Being widely reported today that Trump will reinstate the Transgender ban in the military. if so, that is the best news of the last week.

Defense Secretary Hegseth, in his book-"The War on Warriors" discusses how the medical needs of post-op transgenders essentially render them non-deployable.

This is me adding this part, but there is simply no way that the military can guarantee the correct meds to transgenders at a remote deployment or in an emergency situation.

My sister pulled the same crap 20 years ago when the Air Force needed her for Iraq. Prior to that she was all-"I am girl pilot, yay for me" and she got to fly to places like Australia and Norway etc.

The second they needed her for Iraq-She suddenly developed a "food allergy" and since they couldn't guarantee her the right food she got herself excused. I know a guy that was in her unit and he told me that the attitude to her was since they couldn't count on her anyway "Don't let the door hit you on the way out."

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#2 Post by jarnon » Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:44 pm

Spock wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:39 pm
Defense Secretary Hegseth, in his book-“The War on Warriors” discusses how the medical needs of post-op transgenders essentially render them non-deployable.
This sounds wrong to me. Wouldn’t a post-op transgender need less medication than before the surgery?

I looked it up, and I’m right. Transgender women take less medication after surgery. Similar to women after a hysterectomy. And if they can’t get meds in an emergency, it’s not life-threatening.

Sounds like SECDEF is hunting for a logical justification for his prejudices.
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#3 Post by Beebs52 » Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:00 pm

jarnon wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:44 pm
Spock wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:39 pm
Defense Secretary Hegseth, in his book-“The War on Warriors” discusses how the medical needs of post-op transgenders essentially render them non-deployable.
This sounds wrong to me. Wouldn’t a post-op transgender need less medication than before the surgery?

I looked it up, and I’m right. Transgender women take less medication after surgery. Similar to women after a hysterectomy. And if they can’t get meds in an emergency, it’s not life-threatening.

Sounds like SECDEF is hunting for a logical justification for his prejudices.
What are statistics for easily accessible meds for both trans women and men? What are statistics for medications in general for deployed troops?
Well, then

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#4 Post by jarnon » Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:45 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 5:00 pm
jarnon wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:44 pm
Spock wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:39 pm
Defense Secretary Hegseth, in his book-“The War on Warriors” discusses how the medical needs of post-op transgenders essentially render them non-deployable.
This sounds wrong to me. Wouldn’t a post-op transgender need less medication than before the surgery?

I looked it up, and I’m right. Transgender women take less medication after surgery. Similar to women after a hysterectomy. And if they can’t get meds in an emergency, it’s not life-threatening.

Sounds like SECDEF is hunting for a logical justification for his prejudices.
What are statistics for easily accessible meds for both trans women and men? What are statistics for medications in general for deployed troops?
Trans women take estrogen and trans men take testosterone. These are common prescriptions that are administered orally or in a skin patch. Deployed people can get a 180-day supply of their meds from Express Scripts.

Some diseases and medications disqualify soldiers from deployment: Medical Disqualifiers
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#5 Post by Weyoun » Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:37 am

Yeah, I think the Secretary’s take on the medicine is wrong. Really no different than being on any other medication at that point.

Also, probably affects all of about 10 potential people. But very on point for the Trump administration to make a splashy announcement that is still so small bore.

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#6 Post by Spock » Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:31 am

Weyoun wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:37 am
Yeah, I think the Secretary’s take on the medicine is wrong. Really no different than being on any other medication at that point.

Also, probably affects all of about 10 potential people. But very on point for the Trump administration to make a splashy announcement that is still so small bore.
I don't care Weyoun. You racist Asshole.

Anybody that describes black men who are concerned about black on black crime/violence as "just wanting a seat at the table with the white folks" is the most racist person I have ever had contact with.

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#7 Post by Weyoun » Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:08 pm

Spock wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 9:31 am
Weyoun wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:37 am
Yeah, I think the Secretary’s take on the medicine is wrong. Really no different than being on any other medication at that point.

Also, probably affects all of about 10 potential people. But very on point for the Trump administration to make a splashy announcement that is still so small bore.
I don't care Weyoun. You racist Asshole.

Anybody that describes black men who are concerned about black on black crime/violence as "just wanting a seat at the table with the white folks" is the most racist person I have ever had contact with.
I don’t fault anyone for wanting to get crime under control. The ability for any president to keep a local crime under control is actually pretty minimal though. Either way, you’re putting words in my mouth and you’re trying to make some sort of outrageous statement when such a statement wasn’t there. Stick to what you’re good at - mocking people when they get ill, you cock-knob.

My comment was directed more about folks like the recently-demoted Vivek Ramaswamy. He said all sorts of outrageous Trumpy things, until it came time for him to have an important position. Turns out, all the white people didn’t like him suggesting that some American whites might be a little bit lazy and undereducated, and that it would be foolish not to take foreign workers with established backgrounds in technical fields!

He is correct, of course, but that got him the boot. That makes me think it’s someone other than me who is the racist.

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#8 Post by Spock » Tue Jan 28, 2025 6:40 pm

jarnon wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:44 pm
Spock wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:39 pm
Defense Secretary Hegseth, in his book-“The War on Warriors” discusses how the medical needs of post-op transgenders essentially render them non-deployable.
This sounds wrong to me. Wouldn’t a post-op transgender need less medication than before the surgery?

I looked it up, and I’m right. Transgender women take less medication after surgery. Similar to women after a hysterectomy. And if they can’t get meds in an emergency, it’s not life-threatening.

Sounds like SECDEF is hunting for a logical justification for his prejudices.
I was being generous and focusing on Post-ops. Maybe, instead of just speculating about Hegseth's motivations do a little deeper research. You can start by checking his book out of the library and reading the relevant chapter-"The Left's Very Special Forces." I don't expect you to agree with it-but at least you wouldn't be speculating. A couple of takeaways from a quick glance now through the chapter.

1) He mentions a 2016 Obama administration study that found that post-surgery transitioned soldiers would be non-deployable for 238 days or 34 weeks.

2) Dental care-In a deploying unit-if a problem tooth can not be fixed by a certain date-that tooth is simply pulled as they want to absolutely limit the amount of dental care deployments. He said it is common to have soldiers with a freshly pulled tooth on deployments.

But, by all means, please explain how providing gender care crap is easier than providing dental care on deployment.

3) Read the experience of "Alex Gordon"-not his real name-an active duty army officer who has witnessed the gender ideology crap in action.

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