60 court cases

[flockofseagulls104]

Though SSS may or may not respond and tell us how this is full of crap, I finally found a list where someone took the time to gather and compile all the court cases relating to the 2020 election.

You can look at it if you care to, but the talking points that Trump lost all 60 court cases is 'baseless' and is just another (ho hum) lie that is out there because it's very easy to use ('without evidence') against the 'election deniers'.

It summarizes:

Trump and/or the GOP plaintiff prevailed in 24 out of 32 cases decided on the merits (75%).

[silverscreenselect]

I'm not going to get back into the discussions on the Political Lounge in general, and I'm not going to comment further in this thread, but since you addressed this specifically to me, and this is a question of legal and courtroom fact, not political opinion, I do want to point out where the "60 court cases" language came from (actually 62) and what's wrong with your list. Your list is captioned: " 2020 US Presidential Election Related Lawsuits" and seems to include any lawsuit filed in connection with the election. That includes lawsuits filed months before the election, challenging various provisions of state election laws or procedures. It also includes cases filed in 2021, well after the election results were certified. Trump's victories in those pre-election cases usually meant that challenges to procedures were denied and the election proceeded as Trump wanted.

The "60 court cases" I've always referred to involve challenges by Trump or others acting on his behalf regarding the actual election held on November 4, 2020. Obviously, these challenges would have had to have been filed after that date. This Wikipedia article summarizes the 60 court cases everyone has referred to, including cites to many of those cases. I didn't hunt down other sources that came up with the same 60 cases, nor did I cross-check the Wikipedia list against Flock's list because I don't want to take the time for a line-by-line rebuttal.

However, what this boils down to is a matter of comparing apples and oranges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-elec ... l_election

[flockofseagulls104]

I'm not going to get back into the discussions on the Political Lounge in general, and I'm not going to comment further in this thread, but since you addressed this specifically to me, and this is a question of legal and courtroom fact, not political opinion, I do want to point out where the "60 court cases" language came from (actually 62) and what's wrong with your list. Your list is captioned: " 2020 US Presidential Election Related Lawsuits" and seems to include any lawsuit filed in connection with the election. That includes lawsuits filed months before the election, challenging various provisions of state election laws or procedures. It also includes cases filed in 2021, well after the election results were certified. Trump's victories in those pre-election cases usually meant that challenges to procedures were denied and the election proceeded as Trump wanted.

The "60 court cases" I've always referred to involve challenges by Trump or others acting on his behalf regarding the actual election held on November 4, 2020. Obviously, these challenges would have had to have been filed after that date. This Wikipedia article summarizes the 60 court cases everyone has referred to, including cites to many of those cases. I didn't hunt down other sources that came up with the same 60 cases, nor did I cross-check the Wikipedia list against Flock's list because I don't want to take the time for a line-by-line rebuttal.

However, what this boils down to is a matter of comparing apples and oranges.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-elec ... l_election

Yeah, it seems we are looking at apples and oranges here. A lot has happened since the number 60 was first proclaimed (now it's 62?). whiskeypedia doesn't have a full list of the cases they are referring to like the list I have provided. They do mention Jack Smith's cases and Fani Willis case. All but dead now.

According to my list, the majority of cases that have actually looked at evidence have ruled in Trump's favor. And a lot more needles in the haystack have been found since then. Now that a new administration has been elected, perhaps we'll see more of what has been hidden. Perhaps we can put the 60 (62) case narrative to bed now? And maybe someone will locate Judge Totenberg.