Should we gut our public health apparatus

[Weyoun]

I vote NO. I have some professional interest in people’s health, and I like a world where there is less bacterial meningitis, even if it means a drug company made money off a vaccine

[BackInTex]

I vote NO. I have some professional interest in people’s health, and I like a world where there is less bacterial meningitis, even if it means a drug company made money off a vaccine

Nothing more profitable than sick people. Not much incentive in the medical community to prevent illness, other than good hearts and motives, at least one of which you are missing.

[Weyoun]

I vote NO. I have some professional interest in people’s health, and I like a world where there is less bacterial meningitis, even if it means a drug company made money off a vaccine

Nothing more profictable than sick people. Not much incentive in the medical community to prevent illness, other than good hearts and motives, at least one of which you are missing.

One of us gives a enough shit about people’s health to quit a perfectly fine line of work to go back to school and do it, while the other is doing fuckall with computer networks or whatever the hell you do.

And if you have ever seen a 30 year old dying, thinking anything could be done to stop it - you would not be so cavalier assuming folks in the medical profession have ulterior motives.

Anyway, I get paid hourly, not based on the number of patients I see, so the idea that I am a crook manufacturing illness is another poorly-informed fantasy of yours. Believe me, a quiet day at work is rare, and I wish it happened more often.

Fuck off, btw, you fat mouthed creep.

[BackInTex]

I vote NO. I have some professional interest in people’s health, and I like a world where there is less bacterial meningitis, even if it means a drug company made money off a vaccine

Nothing more profictable than sick people. Not much incentive in the medical community to prevent illness, other than good hearts and motives, at least one of which you are missing.

One of us gives a enough shit about people’s health to quit a perfectly fine line of work to go back to school and do it, while the other is doing fuckall with computer networks or whatever the hell you do.

And if you have ever seen a 30 year old dying, thinking anything could be done to stop it - you would not be so cavalier assuming folks in the medical profession have ulterior motives.

Anyway, I get paid hourly, not based on the number of patients I see, so the idea that I am a crook manufacturing illness is another poorly-informed fantasy of yours. Believe me, a quiet day at work is rare, and I wish it happened more often.

Fuck off, btw, you fat mouthed creep.

Same to you. I've kept the personal attacks against you in check for quite some time, but you haven't, apparently the 13 year-old child inside you is too much to control. So game on, prick.

[Weyoun]

Nothing more profictable than sick people. Not much incentive in the medical community to prevent illness, other than good hearts and motives, at least one of which you are missing.

One of us gives a enough shit about people’s health to quit a perfectly fine line of work to go back to school and do it, while the other is doing fuckall with computer networks or whatever the hell you do.

And if you have ever seen a 30 year old dying, thinking anything could be done to stop it - you would not be so cavalier assuming folks in the medical profession have ulterior motives.

Anyway, I get paid hourly, not based on the number of patients I see, so the idea that I am a crook manufacturing illness is another poorly-informed fantasy of yours. Believe me, a quiet day at work is rare, and I wish it happened more often.

Fuck off, btw, you fat mouthed creep.

Same to you. I've kept the personal attacks against you in check for quite some time, but you haven't, apparently the 13 year-old child inside you is too much to control. So game on, prick.

Another thing you missed. Most people don’t have great insurance that pays providers well. It’s one reason your premiums are high, to make up for it. People who don’t have great insurance often have chronic illnesses. Big correlation with bad insurance, being poor, and chronic disease.

It certainly doesn’t make sense to string along a diabetic who can’t afford their insulin, as opposed to just treating them, since it doesn’t pay out well to treat their constant problems.

You are a hilarious combination of being a self-centered blowhard and completely uninformed about the stuff you open your yap about.

I suspect your life is going pretty well. That’s great, and you should consider yourself blessed for that reason. I don’t begrudge you that. But don’t think all that means you know about the challenges other people face.

[BackInTex]

I suspect your life is going pretty well. That’s great, and you should consider yourself blessed for that reason. I don’t begrudge you that. But don’t think all that means you know about the challenges other people face.

Thank you for that. However, my life, and that of many around me, is and has not been without significant challenges. Do I feel blessed? Absolutely. But I do have compassion for others not as well off, as I and others around me are or have not always been well off, healthy, whatever.

I'm sure there are challenges I have experience with that you don't. You are not the all knowing when it comes to life's problems, though you try to convince others you are.

[Beebs52]

One of us gives a enough shit about people’s health to quit a perfectly fine line of work to go back to school and do it, while the other is doing fuckall with computer networks or whatever the hell you do.

And if you have ever seen a 30 year old dying, thinking anything could be done to stop it - you would not be so cavalier assuming folks in the medical profession have ulterior motives.

Anyway, I get paid hourly, not based on the number of patients I see, so the idea that I am a crook manufacturing illness is another poorly-informed fantasy of yours. Believe me, a quiet day at work is rare, and I wish it happened more often.

Fuck off, btw, you fat mouthed creep.

Same to you. I've kept the personal attacks against you in check for quite some time, but you haven't, apparently the 13 year-old child inside you is too much to control. So game on, prick.

Another thing you missed. Most people don’t have great insurance that pays providers well. It’s one reason your premiums are high, to make up for it. People who don’t have great insurance often have chronic illnesses. Big correlation with bad insurance, being poor, and chronic disease.

It certainly doesn’t make sense to string along a diabetic who can’t afford their insulin, as opposed to just treating them, since it doesn’t pay out well to treat their constant problems.

You are a hilarious combination of being a self-centered blowhard and completely uninformed about the stuff you open your yap about.

I suspect your life is going pretty well. That’s great, and you should consider yourself blessed for that reason. I don’t begrudge you that. But don’t think all that means you know about the challenges other people face.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/200 ... 0of%202023.

Of course, define "most" and "great".

[flockofseagulls104]

I vote NO. I have some professional interest in people’s health, and I like a world where there is less bacterial meningitis, even if it means a drug company made money off a vaccine

I vote YES. Our health system has gotten so much worse in the past couple of decades. We can do better. And we should do better. And, presidential-wise, there is only one candidate that has any interest in improving it, and has already implemented several improvements in the past, and is well positioned to Make America Healthy Again.

[Beebs52]

"One of us gives a enough shit about people’s health to quit a perfectly fine line of work to go back to school and do it, while the other is doing fuckall with computer networks or whatever the hell you do"

Poor baby. You sound like you're not getting any props from friends, family and coworkers. Not all of us are Mother Teresa. But some keep the economy moving to provide funding for schools, medical care and such, for legal and illegal residents.

[Weyoun]

Same to you. I've kept the personal attacks against you in check for quite some time, but you haven't, apparently the 13 year-old child inside you is too much to control. So game on, prick.

Another thing you missed. Most people don’t have great insurance that pays providers well. It’s one reason your premiums are high, to make up for it. People who don’t have great insurance often have chronic illnesses. Big correlation with bad insurance, being poor, and chronic disease.

It certainly doesn’t make sense to string along a diabetic who can’t afford their insulin, as opposed to just treating them, since it doesn’t pay out well to treat their constant problems.

You are a hilarious combination of being a self-centered blowhard and completely uninformed about the stuff you open your yap about.

I suspect your life is going pretty well. That’s great, and you should consider yourself blessed for that reason. I don’t begrudge you that. But don’t think all that means you know about the challenges other people face.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/200 ... 0of%202023.

Of course, define "most" and "great".

https://www.ama-assn.org/practice-manag ... nd-out-why

Reimbursement is down. Just one example above. So it’s great that more people have coverage but it pays less. And my point - had you been paying attention - was that it’s tough to say doctors are just conspiring to keep people sick when it doesn’t pay well to manage chronic illness.

[Weyoun]

I vote NO. I have some professional interest in people’s health, and I like a world where there is less bacterial meningitis, even if it means a drug company made money off a vaccine

I vote YES. Our health system has gotten so much worse in the past couple of decades. We can do better. And we should do better. And, presidential-wise, there is only one candidate that has any interest in improving it, and has already implemented several improvements in the past, and is well positioned to Make America Healthy Again.

There are deep rooted problems in our health care system, and fluoride is not one of them.

[Beebs52]

Another thing you missed. Most people don’t have great insurance that pays providers well. It’s one reason your premiums are high, to make up for it. People who don’t have great insurance often have chronic illnesses. Big correlation with bad insurance, being poor, and chronic disease.

It certainly doesn’t make sense to string along a diabetic who can’t afford their insulin, as opposed to just treating them, since it doesn’t pay out well to treat their constant problems.

You are a hilarious combination of being a self-centered blowhard and completely uninformed about the stuff you open your yap about.

I suspect your life is going pretty well. That’s great, and you should consider yourself blessed for that reason. I don’t begrudge you that. But don’t think all that means you know about the challenges other people face.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/200 ... 0of%202023.

Of course, define "most" and "great".

https://www.ama-assn.org/practice-manag ... nd-out-why

Reimbursement is down. Just one example above. So it’s great that more people have coverage but it pays less. And my point - had you been paying attention - was that it’s tough to say doctors are just conspiring to keep people sick when it doesn’t pay well to manage chronic illness.

Oh dear boy I'm paying attention. I've had brain surgery with crazy hospital costs, etcetcetc. If, perhaps, insurance and big pharma got in line someway then costs would be less. I worked for an ins co as a claim adjuster back in the day and at least we were fair and equitable. However, ins cos are like cockroaches in the ecosystem. They will never die.
And thinking docs are conspiring to keep people sick? No, they're just floating along in the system til they retire.

[Spock]

"One of us gives a enough shit about people’s health to quit a perfectly fine line of work to go back to school and do it, while the other is doing fuckall with computer networks or whatever the hell you do"

Poor baby. You sound like you're not getting any props from friends, family and coworkers. Not all of us are Mother Teresa. But some keep the economy moving to provide funding for schools, medical care and such, for legal and illegal residents.

I notice that he is not practicing on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation where his skills would be truly needed so there are obvious limits to his concern for his fellow man.

Echoing the "Poor Baby" theme-Oh poor baby, he has to practice in the wider environs of Pittsburgh-not exactly "Doctors Without Borders" stuff.

[Weyoun]

"One of us gives a enough shit about people’s health to quit a perfectly fine line of work to go back to school and do it, while the other is doing fuckall with computer networks or whatever the hell you do"

Poor baby. You sound like you're not getting any props from friends, family and coworkers. Not all of us are Mother Teresa. But some keep the economy moving to provide funding for schools, medical care and such, for legal and illegal residents.

I notice that he is not practicing on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation where his skills would be truly needed so there are obvious limits to his concern for his fellow man.

Echoing the "Poor Baby" theme-Oh poor baby, he has to practice in the wider environs of Pittsburgh-not exactly "Doctors Without Borders" stuff.

Can you make up your mind? I thought you thought that big cities were scary and dangerous and basically third world counties. Someone so “wise” shouldn’t have to move goalposts that way.

Anyway, the conversation was about how medicine in general doesn’t reward churning patients, meaning conspiracy theorists like our resident joke don’t really know what they are talking about. So, yes, I am sure Pine Ridge is a tough place to work, and can only stay afloat because the government has to provide extra reimbursement to those who choose to work there. Great. Thanks for agreeing with me.

[flockofseagulls104]

I vote NO. I have some professional interest in people’s health, and I like a world where there is less bacterial meningitis, even if it means a drug company made money off a vaccine

I vote YES. Our health system has gotten so much worse in the past couple of decades. We can do better. And we should do better. And, presidential-wise, there is only one candidate that has any interest in improving it, and has already implemented several improvements in the past, and is well positioned to Make America Healthy Again.

There are deep rooted problems in our health care system, and fluoride is not one of them.

Yes. Deep rooted, but not where you believe the roots are.
I know some people who work at the CDC. And I have had similar conversations with them. They agree with this guy. Politics IS part of the equation.

But not to worry. Ifonly knows everything, and if he says everything's alright, then it is alright. Because he says he's a doctor and he cares more about... well everything, than anyone else.

[BackInTex]

I vote NO. I have some professional interest in people’s health, and I like a world where there is less bacterial meningitis, even if it means a drug company made money off a vaccine

I vote YES. Our health system has gotten so much worse in the past couple of decades. We can do better. And we should do better. And, presidential-wise, there is only one candidate that has any interest in improving it, and has already implemented several improvements in the past, and is well positioned to Make America Healthy Again.

There are deep rooted problems in our health care system, and fluoride is not one of them.

I guess so if your approach to health care is reactive. In other words "We'll cure them when they get sick." rather than "Let's prevent people from getting sick."

Our incidence of autism, dementia, obesity, cancer, and many other profitable diseases has increased significantly since the 50's and 60's. I don't think we've evolved, at least naturally, that rapidly into a less durable biological form.

Like I said before, nothing more profitable than a sick child. Second, a sick old person with insurance.

[Beebs52]

Call me crazy but I doubt all protocols or drug treatments will be "gutted".

[BackInTex]

Call me crazy but I doubt all protocols or drug treatments will be "gutted".

You're crazy. But what do protocols and whatnot have to do with that?

[Beebs52]

What was I thinking.

[flockofseagulls104]

I'm pretty sure our Dr Ifonly has no problems with what our public (federal) health apparatus teamed with the swamp administration subjected the citizens of this country to in response to this (probably) man made virus.

Two weeks to stop the spread morphed into vaccine passports, take the shot or lose your job, wear a mask or get arrested, children missing valuable years of learning and socialization, etc, etc all by government mandate.

And the vaccine went from that it would protect you completely from the virus and spreading it to you won't get it as bad as you would have if you hadn't taken to shot. And now many credible studies about long term negative effects of the shot.

But Ifonly's degree from Acme Medical School and Grill entitles him to call us all morons and worse, as well as anyone else that might see things a bit different than him.

I am on the side of 'YES'. Not gutting but culling the noxious weeds.

[Weyoun]

"One of us gives a enough shit about people’s health to quit a perfectly fine line of work to go back to school and do it, while the other is doing fuckall with computer networks or whatever the hell you do"

Poor baby. You sound like you're not getting any props from friends, family and coworkers. Not all of us are Mother Teresa. But some keep the economy moving to provide funding for schools, medical care and such, for legal and illegal residents.

I notice that he is not practicing on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation where his skills would be truly needed so there are obvious limits to his concern for his fellow man.

Echoing the "Poor Baby" theme-Oh poor baby, he has to practice in the wider environs of Pittsburgh-not exactly "Doctors Without Borders" stuff.

Just circling back around to this comment. In retrospect, it is especially bigoted from you. You’re basically saying that people who live in cities, ie Black people, don’t have “real” medical problems and somehow don’t deserve care.

[Weyoun]

I vote YES. Our health system has gotten so much worse in the past couple of decades. We can do better. And we should do better. And, presidential-wise, there is only one candidate that has any interest in improving it, and has already implemented several improvements in the past, and is well positioned to Make America Healthy Again.

There are deep rooted problems in our health care system, and fluoride is not one of them.

I guess so if your approach to health care is reactive. In other words "We'll cure them when they get sick." rather than "Let's prevent people from getting sick."

Our incidence of autism, dementia, obesity, cancer, and many other profitable diseases has increased significantly since the 50's and 60's. I don't think we've evolved, at least naturally, that rapidly into a less durable biological form.

Like I said before, nothing more profitable than a sick child. Second, a sick old person with insurance.

You are correct that my approach to medicine is specifically reactive, because I work in an emergency department. That’s a no shit insight from you.

Would you suggest that I collect all the motorcycles to keep people driving on Thanksgiving eve so they do not get into accidents?

And there’s unfortunately a large component of reaction in medicine in general, but that’s the country we live in. People are overweight. People do not exercise. No doctor goes around saying that that stuff is OK, but patients will complain when you point that out. Kennedy does not have some weird breakthrough idea about how we need to eat better. We clinicians have been saying that for decades. Arnold was leading the Presidential Physical Fitness challenge in 1992. What happened to that?

And what a fucking idiotic comment to say that there is money to be made in sick children. First of all, who else says this? What proof do you have? Among the list of doctors by salary, pediatricians are at the bottom. Pediatric specialists sometimes make even less money than standard pediatricians, despite having an additional three years of training. And these scary vaccines are not really moneymakers for anybody.

There’s hardly any money in pediatrics! If you were actually clued in, you would realize that hospitals are scaling back their pediatric coverage. There have been multiple articles, pointing toward how hospitals are often not prepared for pediatric emergencies. Their problems aren’t as complex. They get fewer elective surgeries. They do not usually see the orthopedic doctor or the ophthalmologist. So hospitals ignore them.

If you had serious knowledge about the issue, you would be concerned about the general stripping of pediatric assistance in multiple hospitals, especially rural hospitals. It’s actually a really tough situation. I have worked in facilities where the nearest capable pediatrician patient team has been 90 minutes away. I can’t imagine what the situation would be like in Bumfuck West Texas.

I enjoy how you blunder into a conversation, based on some idea that you think is true, without any actual facts.

[Weyoun]

I vote YES. Our health system has gotten so much worse in the past couple of decades. We can do better. And we should do better. And, presidential-wise, there is only one candidate that has any interest in improving it, and has already implemented several improvements in the past, and is well positioned to Make America Healthy Again.

There are deep rooted problems in our health care system, and fluoride is not one of them.

Yes. Deep rooted, but not where you believe the roots are.
I know some people who work at the CDC. And I have had similar conversations with them. They agree with this guy. Politics IS part of the equation.

But not to worry. Ifonly knows everything, and if he says everything's alright, then it is alright. Because he says he's a doctor and he cares more about... well everything, than anyone else.

What a devastating video. You found a librarian for the NHS to spout a bunch of conspiracy stuff. Not even a scientist or clinician.

Again, where is the proof? A guy on a video who specifically would not be in a position to know any more than you or me? Even if the Wuhan strain was man-made, and it certainly possibly was, you still have to treat it. The rest of us were trying to deal with that. Because there may have been some evil doer behind at all we should do nothing?

But we still needed a vaccine and we still needed to get a pandemic that killed millions worldwide under control. We still had to do a lot to get things under control. Thankfully, Trump did at least enough right to keep the casualties around 1 million, but it could’ve been much worse - and he could have done better.

I’m constantly amused that you think there’s some dark conspiracy to control your life and to tell you where you can go. If there was, why did it mysteriously disappear when the pandemic got better?

And why do we think that you are so important that anyone would deal with the hassle of putting up with your controlling your life? You call me arrogant, but you think the whole world is organized around stopping you from doing what? Posting on the Internet? Lol. Get over yourself, loser.

[Weyoun]

https://www.statnews.com/2024/01/25/hpv ... sil-study/

I just wanted to call BiT a little more. This is a vaccine that does cost some money, but not a great deal, and it prevents a devastating disease.

It was a big news when Texas approved us of this vaccine. The concern at the time wasn’t some sort of conspiracy theory or bullshit about autism, but the fact that this vaccine suggested a possibility that teenagers were having sex. Rick Perry’s wife was the one who persuaded everybody to approve this.

Texas still doesn’t have a great vaccine penetrance, but it has been successful, even in that state, in lowering the rate of cervical cancer.

This is the stuff that doctors research. This is the stuff for which docs advocate. It saves money long-term, and it prevents illness and sadness. Only the uninformed or the sexually creepy oppose Gardasil.

This is the stuff that makes me worried about RFK. Getting rid of this vaccine - is that on the table? Plus, a few fundamentalists, whispering in the ear of Trump, and next thing you know, this vaccine is not out there.

So, no, doctors are NOT reactive.

[Weyoun]

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024 ... ion-to-hhs

Over 70 dead kids.

I’m not even sure you could find 70 stories of kids who got the Covid vaccine who then died.

He opposes the measles vaccine. He’s a dangerous man who has no business influencing our children’s health.