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Voter registration BS

#1 Post by jarnon » Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:57 pm

Hospitals are signing up people to vote this November. They say it’s good for their health, not about playing politics.
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Philadelphia Inquirer wrote:Lankenau Medical Center’s manager of patient relations flags down a nurse in scrubs who is hustling past his red-, white- and blue-decked voter information table in the Wynnewood hospital’s busy cafeteria.

Lars Peterson explains how she can add voter registration to her checklist of patient health screening questions:

”Do you drink? Do you smoke? Do you feel safe at home?” he says, ticking off the questions she should routinely ask. “And are you registered to vote?”

Philadelphia-area hospitals are rallying patients and staff to register to vote ahead of a high-stakes presidential election in which Pennsylvania has become a critical battleground.

Hospitals say the initiative is not about playing partisan politics, but rather to address the ways social and economic factors, such as violence, pollution, housing can profoundly affect health.

Hospitals from University City to the Philadelphia burbs have set up information tables alongside cafeteria checkout counters, given staff lanyard badges with a QR code linked to a voter registration website, and changed the computer screensavers to a message reminding them to vote.

Such efforts are being organized nationally through groups like Vot-ER, which describes itself as a nonpartisan voter registration nonprofits, but has drawn criticism from the Republican National Committee and other conservatives for having ties to Democrats.

“You go to the doctor’s office to receive medical care, not to get a political lecture,” said Kush Desai, the RNC’s Pennsylvania communications director for former President Donald Trump’s campaign. “This is a clear abuse of the doctor-patient relationship.”

Program leaders at Philadelphia-area hospitals said they don’t care how people vote, and train staff to never discuss politics.

“Health-care providers are not out to gain something for themselves from this initiative,” said Judd Flesch, an associate professor of clinical medicine at Penn, who is involved in the system’s voter registration efforts. “It’s a health-care provider talking about how your health and civic responsibilities overlap.”

A study of 44 countries, including the U.S., found that people who were registered to vote reported better health, according to findings published in the Journal of Preventive Medicine & Public Health.

Nonpartisan or not?

Vot-ER has partnered with at least 50 organizations in Pennsylvania, including some of Philadelphia’s leading health systems: Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, Jefferson Health, Penn Medicine, Main Line Health (which owns Lankaneau) and St. Christopher’s Hospital for Children.

Some conservatives are taking issue with the politics behind its creation.

Vot-ER’s partnership with the Pennsylvania Psychiatric Institute in Harrisburg was the subject of an article in August published by the Free Beacon, a conservative media outlet, which called it a leading player in a Democratic-backed directive “turning health care centers into political battlegrounds.”

The outlet drew attention to the nonprofit’s perceived support of the Democratic Party, a complaint repeated in several other conservative media and blog reports this summer.

Vot-ER was founded by Alister Martin, a practicing physician and former White House fellow under Vice President Kamala Harris. And the Biden administration in 2021 ordered federal agencies such as the Department of Health and Human Services to work with health-care providers to expand voter registration through similar initiatives.

Earlier this month, the Republican National Convention issued letters to the secretaries of state offices overseeing elections in six swing states — including Pennsylvania — urging elections officials to monitor Vot-ER ahead of the general election.

Vot-ER does not endorse political parties or politicians, complies with all election laws, and has board members from both political parties, executive director, Aliya Bhatia, said in a statement.

The American Medical Association is among the prominent medical professional groups that shares its view of voting as a social driver of health, she added.

“We want to make sure all eligible voters can have their voices heard in federal, state, and local elections that shape our health outcomes in America,” Bhatia said in a statement.

What are Philadelphia hospitals doing to register voters?

Philadelphia-area hospitals that partner with Vot-ER emphasized that participation is voluntary for staff and patients.

CHOP uses voter registration materials from Vot-ER because they’re “family friendly to use and easy to access,” said Ashlee Murray, an emergency medicine physician at CHOP.
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The nonprofit makes lanyards with plastic ID cards that say “Ready to vote?” and are printed with a QR code that, when scanned, takes people to the website TurboVote, a nonpartisan third-party voter registration website.

Temple Health does not partner with Vot-ER, but similarly encourages doctors to talk to patients about why it’s important to vote, whether they are registered, and whether they plan to vote in-person or through a mail-in ballot.

“It’s important for people to take charge of their individual health and the health of their communities,” said Nicolle Strand, director of the Center for Urban Bioethics within Temple’s medical school.

Overcoming voting challenges for patients and providers

Volunteers at St. Christopher’s Hospital for Children have found that patient families often aren’t registered to vote for logistical reasons: They don’t know how, think they need to go to an elections office, or worry it will take too long. Others are registered, but weren’t planning to vote because getting to the polls is inconvenient, said Angela Kim, a pediatric emergency medicine doctor at the North Philadelphia children’s hospital.

“Many of our patient families are juggling multiple jobs and have social needs that preclude them from taking off a day to go to the polls,” she said.

Volunteers can help families register on the spot, or can show them how to apply for an absentee ballot.

During previous election cycles, Penn Medicine set up kiosks in the emergency department offering patients voting information and registration help. But they often got unplugged and didn’t get much use from patients with more pressing medical issues on their mind.

Encouraging providers to carry QR code lanyards makes the interaction more personal and helps doctors build relationships with patients, said Aliza Narva, director of ethics at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania, who helps organize the hospital’s voter registration efforts.

Inside Lankenau Medical Center’s cafeteria on a recent Tuesday, nurse Daria Salvitti stopped to take a lanyard from the information table.

She thinks patients will welcome the conversation and appreciate that their nurses and doctors were interested in aspects of their life beyond a diagnosis.

“I think everyone’s voice should be heard,” she said.
Thanks to Flock, I read articles like this more critically now.

They insist the effort is nonpartisan. However, here in Montgomery County and in Philadelphia, most newly registered voters are Democrats.

>>> A study of 44 countries, including the U.S., found that people who were registered to vote reported better health, according to findings published in the Journal of Preventive Medicine & Public Health. <<<

Probably because sick people have more pressing concerns then voting. Correlation does not imply causation.
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#2 Post by jarnon » Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:59 pm

The right has its own BS.

A new RNC lawsuit would pause Montco mail voting and force a hand count of ballots already distributed
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Philadelphia Inquirer wrote:The Republican National Committee and U.S. Senate candidate Dave McCormick are suing to temporarily stop Montgomery County from distributing and collecting mail ballots.

The suit, which was filed Friday, also demands that the county hand count all mail ballots that have already been distributed, a process that could add several days to the vote counting process in November.

In a statement Monday, the Department of State, which issued the Pennsylvania directives the RNC cites in its complaint, called the lawsuit frivolous and said Montgomery County did everything required before sending its ballots.

Montgomery County was the first in the Philadelphia area to begin distributing mail ballots when the county election board announced last Tuesday that ballots were available, just one day after the Pennsylvania Department of State certified the candidates on November’s general election ballot.

In a lawsuit filed in the Montgomery County Court of Common Pleas alongside local Republicans, the RNC argued that the county’s quick start to mail voting violated Pennsylvania election law because ballots were distributed before the county began state-mandated logic and accuracy testing on election systems.

That testing is required before an election begins. By sending ballots before that testing, the RNC argued, Montgomery County began the general election.

“Remarkably, Defendants were aware that the L&A testing had not been completed on September 17, 2024 and public stated it would not commence until September 19, 2024,” the lawsuit said.

As a result, the RNC wants a Montgomery County judge to block the county from distributing ballots until the testing has been completed and to set aside and hand count any mail ballots that have already gone out and are returned.

However, the Department of State said the testing the RNC is referring to must be done 15 days before Election Day, not before ballots are printed and sent.

“The lawsuit filed Friday against Montgomery County is frivolous, and Montgomery County’s board of elections did everything required before printing ballots with the certified candidate list,” Geoff Morrow, a spokesperson for the department, said. “Pennsylvania’s elections are free, fair, safe, and secure because of the many safeguards — such as L&A testing — that surround our voting processes and systems before, during, and after Election Day.”

Montgomery County has become a key Democratic stronghold in recent years that helped swing the state to President Joe Biden in 2020. Turnout in the county could play a major role in determining the outcome of both the presidential and Senate contests.

A spokesperson for Montgomery County said in a statement the RNC had leveled “baseless assertions” in both a letter sent last week and the lawsuit.

“Montgomery County is fully complying with the Pennsylvania Election Code and Department of State directives. The 115,000 Montgomery County voters who have requested mail-in ballots already will receive those ballots soon,” said Megan Alt, a spokesperson for Montgomery County.

Montgomery County solicitor Ben Field said in a Friday letter that the RNC was conflating rules around preparation of ballots and testing of election equipment. All testing required to prepare and distribute ballots, Field said, occurred prior to sending the ballots.

Alt said Montgomery County had completed the required ballot acceptance testing and logic and accuracy testing on the scanners used on mail ballots prior to mailing ballots.

If the RNC’s lawsuit is successful it could severely slow down the counting process in Pennsylvania’s third largest county.
Montgomery County officials said last week they planned to distribute roughly 115,000 mail ballots beginning last week. Any of those ballots returned would have to be hand counted, a process that takes far longer than machine counting.

In April, the county was slow to distribute mail ballots and county officials have said they worked diligently to resolve those issues, becoming one of the fastest counties to distribute ballots ahead of the general election.
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#3 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:00 pm

Be nice if we could read the articles. Or not.
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#4 Post by jarnon » Mon Sep 23, 2024 4:16 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:00 pm
Be nice if we could read the articles. Or not.
Sorry, I didn’t realize they’re behind a paywall.
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#5 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:42 pm

From your second article:

“The lawsuit filed Friday against Montgomery County is frivolous, and Montgomery County’s board of elections did everything required before printing ballots with the certified candidate list,” Geoff Morrow, a spokesperson for the department, said. “Pennsylvania’s elections are free, fair, safe, and secure because of the many safeguards — such as L&A testing — that surround our voting processes and systems before, during, and after Election Day.”

Yep, there you go. A pronouncement from a 'spokesperson for the department'. That proves it! No more discussion is needed... I mean permitted.

They are whining that counting the ballots will cause days of delays. The hundreds of 'non partisan' (but extremely partisan) Non-Government Organizations, Democrats and the conglomerate media did a large, organized campaign here in Georgia against Sharlene Alexander's rule to count the BALLOTS in the precinct when the polls close on election day using the same stupid argument. Luckily, we have a majority on the State Election Board that have common sense and courage, and it passed.

Georgia was doing that for YEARS before 2021 with no problems, when the SOS office sent a letter to all the counties telling them not to do it anymore. It's not counting the votes. It's counting the BALLOTS. If you go to a bank to cash a check for $1000, the bank will have the machine count it, then the teller will count it, and then you will count it.

Why would ANYONE object to this practice? Only reason I can think of is that you want to CHEAT.
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#6 Post by jarnon » Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:09 pm

Here in Pennsylvania, officials can’t count mail ballots, or even open the inner envelope, until the morning of election day, no matter when they’re received. (That skews the early reporting on election night, driving TV viewers bonkers.) So there’s no good reason to wait to mail absentee ballots until the tabulating machines are tested.

The RNC hopes a delay in sending out mail ballots, combined with postal bottlenecks, will cause some of the ballots to arrive after election day and be invalid.
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#7 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:27 pm

jarnon wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:09 pm
Here in Pennsylvania, officials can’t count mail ballots, or even open the inner envelope, until the morning of election day, no matter when they’re received. (That skews the early reporting on election night, driving TV viewers bonkers.) So there’s no good reason to wait to mail absentee ballots until the tabulating machines are tested.

The RNC hopes a delay in sending out mail ballots, combined with postal bottlenecks, will cause some of the ballots to arrive after election day and be invalid.
It says that early in person voting in PA starts as early as the first week in OCT.

With a month of early voting, why do they need no excuse absentee voting? I believe there should be an either/or.

Either you have extended early voting or you have no excuse absentee voting. NOT BOTH.

Of course, the election fraud deniers will find somebody who will be 'disenfranchised' by this.
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#8 Post by jarnon » Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:04 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:27 pm
It says that early in person voting in PA starts as early as the first week in OCT.

With a month of early voting, why do they need no excuse absentee voting? I believe there should be an either/or.

Either you have extended early voting or you have no excuse absentee voting. NOT BOTH.

Of course, the election fraud deniers will find somebody who will be 'disenfranchised' by this.
I think you’re misinformed. In-person voting here is on election day only. To vote earlier, you have to apply for an absentee ballot and take it to a county office or drop box, or mail it.

I agree that you don’t need both.
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#9 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 11:04 pm

jarnon wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:04 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:27 pm
It says that early in person voting in PA starts as early as the first week in OCT.

With a month of early voting, why do they need no excuse absentee voting? I believe there should be an either/or.

Either you have extended early voting or you have no excuse absentee voting. NOT BOTH.

Of course, the election fraud deniers will find somebody who will be 'disenfranchised' by this.
I think you’re misinformed. In-person voting here is on election day only. To vote earlier, you have to apply for an absentee ballot and take it to a county office or drop box, or mail it.

I agree that you don’t need both.
In GA, we have both. Stacey Abrams (President of the Earth and really the Governor) and Marc Elias will fight tooth and nail and endless funding and lawyers to keep it that way.
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#10 Post by jarnon » Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:43 pm

jarnon wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:04 pm
In-person voting here is on election day only. To vote earlier, you have to apply for an absentee ballot and take it to a county office or drop box, or mail it.
Many counties have a workaround: You can go to a county office, apply for a mail-in ballot, get it on the spot, fill it out, and hand it in. Faster and less risky than getting and returning the ballot in the mail.

This isn’t a new procedure. I used it twenty years ago when I and three co-workers found out we had to travel to Area 58 in Virginia on election day. It’s become much more popular, and this year campaigns are promoting it. Last Saturday overworked Bucks County staffers turned potential voters away. The Trump campaign got a judge to order the county office to provide in-person ballots for extra days and work overtime if they have to. Bravo to the Trumpers for insisting on the right to vote by any legal method. I’m glad they succeeded.
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#11 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:58 pm

Please correct me if I'm wrong. Are you saying in person early voting is not an option?
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#12 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:09 pm

Gee, Texas, the bastion of whatever, has two weeks of in person early voting. Who woulda thunk it.
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#13 Post by jarnon » Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:42 pm

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Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:58 pm
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Are you saying in person early voting is not an option?
Not like in Georgia and many other states. The on-demand mail-in ballot is just a substitute. And the ballots sit unopened in the county office till election day.
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#14 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:55 pm

jarnon wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:42 pm
Beebs52 wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:58 pm
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Are you saying in person early voting is not an option?
Not like in Georgia and many other states. The on-demand mail-in ballot is just a substitute. And the ballots sit unopened in the county office till election day.
Wow
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