Hezbollah Attack on Israel

[Spock]

I doubt anybody will listen to it , but School of War podcast had a recent episode dealing with the northern crisis and Israel/Iran.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/e ... 0663781716

[Beebs52]

Can't watch. Apple.

[Spock]

Can't watch. Apple.

To my knowledge-I don't have any Apple subscriptions (or whatever). Ever since I found the Podcast, I just pushed "Play" for the relevant episode and it worked.

Not being snarky or sarcastic-just might be worth a try.

Rubbing my hands together with glee. My evil plan worked.

"Beebs will get hooked on the podcast and then we can work on TGirl"-LOL

I keep track of the episodes I have listened to in a spreadsheet. You are welcome to the template.

[Beebs52]

Nope. Ain't working

[Spock]

Weyoun>>>"Israelis are on strike and protesting because they see what their government has been doing has failed. The hostages are no closer to getting home."<<<

The LEFT in Israel is on strike and protesting and such-important distinction.

[flockofseagulls104]

It’s clearly in the interest of the United States to force Israel to back off, to prevent a wider conflict. Additionally, there other countries around the world that have their own problems, and they resist US help, because they point out our somewhat hypocritical support for an Israeli regime that has no problem bombing children.

Why can't you and the left see and understand? Hamas has no intention of surrendering. They will only make deals where they come out ahead. They will never live up to any 'deals' that they pretend to agree to. They NEVER have. They only gave up hostages to release more of their rank and file to join them in their fight. They will never give up the hostages. They will kill them first. And as long as they have one person left, they will continue to kill Jews.

And what do the biden puppeteers do? They have taken all sanctions off of Iran and given them billions of dollars, while imposing sanctions on Israel. There would be a lot less innocent people killed once Hamas is totally eliminated. There can be no 'two state' solution until there can be found a representative group of Palestinians who actually want one. Hamas and Iran will never accept that. And the current American regime is too stupid to realize it. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. So is stupidity.

It turns out killing a bunch of children has not changed the resolve of the Palestinian leadership.

And why would it? That's their standard procedure. Along with women, and old people.

The downside, for some here, would be a fewer dead brown babies

You are the most fucked up person that I've ever encountered. And that's saying a lot.

[Weyoun]

It’s clearly in the interest of the United States to force Israel to back off, to prevent a wider conflict. Additionally, there other countries around the world that have their own problems, and they resist US help, because they point out our somewhat hypocritical support for an Israeli regime that has no problem bombing children.

Why can't you and the left see and understand? Hamas has no intention of surrendering. They will only make deals where they come out ahead. They will never live up to any 'deals' that they pretend to agree to. They NEVER have. They only gave up hostages to release more of their rank and file to join them in their fight. They will never give up the hostages. They will kill them first. And as long as they have one person left, they will continue to kill Jews.

And what do the biden puppeteers do? They have taken all sanctions off of Iran and given them billions of dollars, while imposing sanctions on Israel. There would be a lot less innocent people killed once Hamas is totally eliminated. There can be no 'two state' solution until there can be found a representative group of Palestinians who actually want one. Hamas and Iran will never accept that. And the current American regime is too stupid to realize it. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. So is stupidity.

It turns out killing a bunch of children has not changed the resolve of the Palestinian leadership.

And why would it? That's their standard procedure. Along with women, and old people.

The downside, for some here, would be a fewer dead brown babies

You are the most fucked up person that I've ever encountered. And that's saying a lot.

The death toll in Gaza is at least 40,000 if not higher.

It will far exceed any casualties that the Israelis face. Indeed, there are already more dead Gazans than Israelis, who have died in any of their Middle Eastern wars.

They are leadership is happy to continue this time because they know that he Israelis, as well as bloodthirsty monsters like yourself, will continue to support this. They have no trouble martyring their own citizens to make Israel look bad.

That makes that leadership horrible. But that doesn’t mean that Israel gets a pass continuing this ultimately pointless assault. This assault has done nothing to bring the hostages home. Realistically those still being held are probably dead, so all it is doing is giving Israel a black eye as well as us directly for supporting them. There is zero plan to maintain and control Gaza. And now it’s filling over into the West bank, so Israel truly is getting bogged down.

They got played. They got baited into a conflict they can’t possibly win. Perhaps you should look into your own emotional well-being as the situation indirectly triggered to such rage in you that you’ve been willing to go along with their endless stupidity.

You can call me fucked up all day long, but I’m not the one supporting dead brown babies. That should be hung around your neck.

[earendel]

It’s clearly in the interest of the United States to force Israel to back off, to prevent a wider conflict. Additionally, there other countries around the world that have their own problems, and they resist US help, because they point out our somewhat hypocritical support for an Israeli regime that has no problem bombing children.

Why can't you and the left see and understand? Hamas has no intention of surrendering. They will only make deals where they come out ahead. They will never live up to any 'deals' that they pretend to agree to. They NEVER have. They only gave up hostages to release more of their rank and file to join them in their fight. They will never give up the hostages. They will kill them first. And as long as they have one person left, they will continue to kill Jews.

Your last sentence is the problem. There will always be "one person left" because Hamas is not just people, it is an ideology, and it's impossible to stamp out an ideology. Even if every current leader of Hamas were killed, there would always be someone to take their place.

[flockofseagulls104]

It’s clearly in the interest of the United States to force Israel to back off, to prevent a wider conflict. Additionally, there other countries around the world that have their own problems, and they resist US help, because they point out our somewhat hypocritical support for an Israeli regime that has no problem bombing children.

Why can't you and the left see and understand? Hamas has no intention of surrendering. They will only make deals where they come out ahead. They will never live up to any 'deals' that they pretend to agree to. They NEVER have. They only gave up hostages to release more of their rank and file to join them in their fight. They will never give up the hostages. They will kill them first. And as long as they have one person left, they will continue to kill Jews.

Your last sentence is the problem. There will always be "one person left" because Hamas is not just people, it is an ideology, and it's impossible to stamp out an ideology. Even if every current leader of Hamas were killed, there would always be someone to take their place.

You are correct. The same is true with Israel. It is not going away. And what is never acknowledged by the left: Israel is the original and ancient homeland to the Jewish people. If anyone has an historical claim to the land, it is the Jews, who are not accepted and faced genocide in many places around the world. Palestine is the name given to the area by the Romans, after they destroyed Jerusalem and ousted the Jews from their homeland starting in AD 70. The Jews were conquered and exiled from the homeland even before that, but they always came back.

But where does Hamas get their funding and support? Why did the current administration abandon trump's sanctions? For what purpose?

Perhaps some group of rational Palestinians can come forward and reach a realistic agreement with Israel. But the Palestinians cannot be represented by any group whose stated goal is to eliminate all Jews. Why would we or anyone want the creation of a country that espouses terrorism and genocide as a legitimate tactic?

The left wants a cease fire. There was a cease fire until Oct of last year. Hamas started this war. I don't blame Israel for having enough of this, which has been going on since I have been on this planet. Israel strives for peace and just wants to be left alone. Hamas and the radical Palestinians do not. Where are the Palestinians who want peace?

[earendel]

You are correct. The same is true with Israel. It is not going away. And what is never acknowledged by the left: Israel is the original and ancient homeland to the Jewish people. If anyone has an historical claim to the land, it is the Jews, who are not accepted and faced genocide in many places around the world. Palestine is the name given to the area by the Romans, after they destroyed Jerusalem and ousted the Jews from their homeland starting in AD 70. The Jews were conquered and exiled from the homeland even before that, but they always came back.

Have you forgotten that I have a background in Biblical studies? I'm well aware of Israel's history. The Romans destroyed Jerusalem because the Jews rebelled against Rome. They rebelled again in the 2nd century under Bar Kochba. And if we are to consider Israel as the "ancestral homeland" of the Jews, then what do we say about Native Americans?

Perhaps some group of rational Palestinians can come forward and reach a realistic agreement with Israel. But the Palestinians cannot be represented by any group whose stated goal is to eliminate all Jews. Why would we or anyone want the creation of a country that espouses terrorism and genocide as a legitimate tactic?

I can certainly agree with this statement. But as I said, Hamas is an ideology that can't be eliminated, only temporarily suppressed. Short of eliminating every Palestinian in Gaza and the West Bank, what can be done?

[Beebs52]

You are correct. The same is true with Israel. It is not going away. And what is never acknowledged by the left: Israel is the original and ancient homeland to the Jewish people. If anyone has an historical claim to the land, it is the Jews, who are not accepted and faced genocide in many places around the world. Palestine is the name given to the area by the Romans, after they destroyed Jerusalem and ousted the Jews from their homeland starting in AD 70. The Jews were conquered and exiled from the homeland even before that, but they always came back.

Have you forgotten that I have a background in Biblical studies? I'm well aware of Israel's history. The Romans destroyed Jerusalem because the Jews rebelled against Rome. They rebelled again in the 2nd century under Bar Kochba. And if we are to consider Israel as the "ancestral homeland" of the Jews, what do we say about Native Americans?

Perhaps some group of rational Palestinians can come forward and reach a realistic agreement with Israel. But the Palestinians cannot be represented by any group whose stated goal is to eliminate all Jews. Why would we or anyone want the creation of a country that espouses terrorism and genocide as a legitimate tactic?

I can certainly agree with this statement. But as I said, Hamas is an ideology that can't be eliminated, only temporarily suppressed. Short of eliminating every Palestinian in Gaza and the West Bank, what can be done?[/b

Exactly. What is your solution. It does come down to he who prevails prevails. Who do you want to prevail?

[Beebs52]

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas

The amalgamation of religion and politics is interesting. Should I get my burka on order?

[flockofseagulls104]

I heard an interesting proposal on Ben Shapiro's show. I only heard it in passing, so I can't quote it precisely.

Hamas is not concerned about it's own civilian casualties. In fact they encourage it so they can use it for propaganda purposes. Even the 'brown children'.

So it has been proposed that for every day that the hostages are still held, 1 square unit (I forget what the measurement would be. Let's substitute acre) would be permanently ceded to Israel as a buffer zone between Israel and Gaza and/or the West Bank. If a hostage is murdered, 1000 acres would be added. Hamas doesn't care about death, but they do care about control and land. I don't know if this proposal is being considered by anyone official, but it should be.

No pressure is being put on Hamas by any of Israel's 'allies'. Only pressure on Israel. Hamas is, and has always been, the aggressor. Israel, only 5 or so days ago, agreed with the US brokered terms for a cease fire. Hamas has NOT. Netanyahu asked, rightly so, why Israel is getting more pressure from the US? What has changed in that 5 days other than Hamas murdered hostages? Why does Hamas get rewarded for every inhuman and barbaric act they commit?

[earendel]

Perhaps some group of rational Palestinians can come forward and reach a realistic agreement with Israel. But the Palestinians cannot be represented by any group whose stated goal is to eliminate all Jews. Why would we or anyone want the creation of a country that espouses terrorism and genocide as a legitimate tactic?

I can certainly agree with this statement. But as I said, Hamas is an ideology that can't be eliminated, only temporarily suppressed. Short of eliminating every Palestinian in Gaza and the West Bank, what can be done?

Exactly. What is your solution. It does come down to he who prevails prevails. Who do you want to prevail?

I don't have one, nor, does it seem, does anyone else, short of genocide.

[jarnon]

Former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett vies for position again amid ongoing war

>>> I think the most important thing in order to get [a hostage deal] done is to apply tremendous pressure. And right now, we're operating at about 5% intensity. We have very few forces right now in the Gaza Strip. There's not a real war going on. There's a minor presence of IDF. This is not how you win a war. If you want to win a war, you got to fight 200%, not 5%. <<<

Bibi seems moderate by comparison.

[jarnon]

Hezbollah terrorists, like’90s era drug dealers, like to use pagers. This morning every pager in Lebanon suddenly exploded.