Are we being set up?

[SportsFan68]

Colorado law requires a Risk Limiting Audit after every Colorado election. Risk-limiting audits are a results audit to determine if votes were tabulated accurately. Our county had ours yesterday, and the Republican representative refused to sign off on the results.

This is from Colorado Newsline, a publication I'm not familiar with:

The Colorado Republican Party is advising county canvass boards to not certify results from the Nov. 7 statewide election, alleging without evidence that the process is a “rigged system” and promoting debunked conspiracy theories on election insecurity.

In an email sent to GOP supporters on Nov. 22, former state Rep. Ron Hanks, who now serves as the party’s Ballot and Election Security Committee chairman, wrote that certifying the election would imply the party’s “acceptance of a disastrous process and declare we acquiesced to their systemic fraud and personal corruption.”

Coloradans voted on two statewide propositions and various local issues in the Nov. 7 election.

There was no fraud. There was no corruption. I believe that Mr. Hanks thinks he has figured out a way to call into question the results of the 2024 Presidential election because he thinks that President Biden will prevail in Colorado. In other words, I think Colorado voters are being set up.

So here's my question: It appears to me that Colorado Republican voters are being denied their representation on many County canvass boards since that space will be blank on the certification form. I'm thinking of writing a Letter to the Editor to that effect. Will that resonate with rank and file Republicans who don't get E-mails from Mr. Hanks, or should I just forget it?

[flockofseagulls104]

Here's the thing. Our voting system has become so complicated that no one can possibly understand it. Especially newspapers like the Colorado Newsline. How can they possibly report ANYTHING has been debunked as 'news'? That goes for all the media. But they gladly and loudly do it to try and get the public to believe it.

Try and read this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments ... deception/

I couldn't. It lost me. But the point is the system that has been set up is so far removed from its actual purpose and has so many demonstrated vulnerabilities that it is ultimately useless. But it is protected by the powers that have set it up (which is the only source that is used as evidence of the 'debunking'), and apparently by the media.

So maybe you are being set up, or maybe you have already been set up.

[BackInTex]

I don't know about being "rigged", but any elecotoral process that does not require in-person with ID voting is subject to, meaning there will be, fraud. Significant fraud, maybe, maybe not. But that can not be measured without having the person who's vote was cast validating it was their vote, by them being in person with an id. So it's a circle.

[flockofseagulls104]

I don't know about being "rigged", but any elecotoral process that does not require in-person with ID voting is subject to, meaning there will be, fraud. Significant fraud, maybe, maybe not. But that can not be measured without having the person who's vote was cast validating it was their vote, by them being in person with an id. So it's a circle.

Any electoral system that relies on computer software to gather and compile the results can, and probably will, be hacked. So many vulnerabilities have been found and discussed that the bad guys already have the keys to the front door, and we can only see what they've done (if we're interested in seeing it at all, much less doing anything about it.) after they've left out the back door.
Mail-in voting is a godsend for manipulation, as even Jimmy Carter pointed out decades ago. France, whom the left wants to emulate in so many ways, does it completely on paper, and there are no controversies or drawn-out legal and political dramas. Gee, wouldn't that be nice? Just like it used to be.
But the Election Interference Enablers (EIEs) in power and in the media will never let that happen here. Their full out campaign against anyone who even questions the 'most safe and secure' election in the history of the world (probably the universe) demonstrates that.

[Bob78164]

Two Arizona County Commissioners who refused to certify the 2022 canvass until ordered to do so by a judge were criminally charged today for their election interference. I suspect any Colorado officials who attempt a similar tactic will be running the same risk. —Bob

[SportsFan68]

Thanks, everybody.

No letter.

[wbtravis007]

Thanks, everybody.

No letter.

Wait! Sorry I didn’t respond earlier.

I think you should write the letter. Put to use your persuasive talents.

There are at least some Republicans— even if not many — who would understand your position.

Toastmasters rule!

[flockofseagulls104]

Two Arizona County Commissioners who refused to certify the 2022 canvass until ordered to do so by a judge were criminally charged today for their election interference. I suspect any Colorado officials who attempt a similar tactic will be running the same risk. —Bob

Lawfare at its finest. You don't like someone else's opinions? Get a leftist activist judge involved.

[silverscreenselect]

Two Arizona County Commissioners who refused to certify the 2022 canvass until ordered to do so by a judge were criminally charged today for their election interference. I suspect any Colorado officials who attempt a similar tactic will be running the same risk. —Bob

Lawfare at its finest. You don't like someone else's opinions? Get a leftist activist judge involved.

Funny how every time a Republican gets in trouble with the law, it's due to a leftist activist judge or DA or both. Flock may have missed this one:

GOP official’s wife convicted in months-long 2020 voter-fraud scheme

As Tam and Thien Doan tried to file for absentee ballots in Iowa in 2020, they were surprised to find out that votes had already been cast in their names. The siblings, both Democrats, were even more astonished to learn that their ballots had been cast in support of Republican candidates only, including President Donald Trump, according to court testimony. Unbeknownst to the Doans, they were among a group of Vietnamese immigrants targeted in a months-long voter-fraud scheme by the wife of an Iowa Republican county supervisor who wanted her husband to win “by any means necessary” in the 2020 primary and general elections, according to prosecutors.

Kim Phuong Taylor was convicted Tuesday of 52 counts of voter fraud, the Justice Department announced. A federal jury in Sioux City, Iowa, found Taylor, 49, guilty on 26 charges of false information in registering and voting, 23 charges of fraudulent voting and three charges of fraudulent registration. Taylor carried out a scheme to fraudulently generate votes for her husband, Woodbury County Supervisor Jeremy Taylor, who was challenging Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) in the June 2020 GOP congressional primary election. After Jeremy Taylor finished a distant third in that race, Kim Phuong Taylor again engaged in ballot fraud to help her husband’s successful reelection campaign as county supervisor, prosecutors say.

“[Kim Phuong] Taylor submitted or caused others to submit dozens of voter registrations, absentee ballot request forms, and absentee ballots containing false information,” the Justice Department wrote in a news release. “Taylor completed and signed voter forms without voters’ permission and told others that they could sign on behalf of relatives who were not present.”Taylor carried out a scheme to fraudulently generate votes for her husband, Woodbury County Supervisor Jeremy Taylor, who was challenging Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) in the June 2020 GOP congressional primary election. After Jeremy Taylor finished a distant third in that race, Kim Phuong Taylor again engaged in ballot fraud to help her husband’s successful reelection campaign as county supervisor, prosecutors say.

Kim Phuong Taylor was arrested and indicted in January. She faces a maximum of five years in prison for each of the 52 counts. A sentencing date has not been set, and she will remain free until sentencing, according to an order from U.S. District Judge Leonard Strand.

[flockofseagulls104]

Two Arizona County Commissioners who refused to certify the 2022 canvass until ordered to do so by a judge were criminally charged today for their election interference. I suspect any Colorado officials who attempt a similar tactic will be running the same risk. —Bob

Lawfare at its finest. You don't like someone else's opinions? Get a leftist activist judge involved.

Funny how every time a Republican gets in trouble with the law, it's due to a leftist activist judge or DA or both. Flock may have missed this one:

GOP official’s wife convicted in months-long 2020 voter-fraud scheme

As Tam and Thien Doan tried to file for absentee ballots in Iowa in 2020, they were surprised to find out that votes had already been cast in their names. The siblings, both Democrats, were even more astonished to learn that their ballots had been cast in support of Republican candidates only, including President Donald Trump, according to court testimony. Unbeknownst to the Doans, they were among a group of Vietnamese immigrants targeted in a months-long voter-fraud scheme by the wife of an Iowa Republican county supervisor who wanted her husband to win “by any means necessary” in the 2020 primary and general elections, according to prosecutors.

Kim Phuong Taylor was convicted Tuesday of 52 counts of voter fraud, the Justice Department announced. A federal jury in Sioux City, Iowa, found Taylor, 49, guilty on 26 charges of false information in registering and voting, 23 charges of fraudulent voting and three charges of fraudulent registration. Taylor carried out a scheme to fraudulently generate votes for her husband, Woodbury County Supervisor Jeremy Taylor, who was challenging Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) in the June 2020 GOP congressional primary election. After Jeremy Taylor finished a distant third in that race, Kim Phuong Taylor again engaged in ballot fraud to help her husband’s successful reelection campaign as county supervisor, prosecutors say.

“[Kim Phuong] Taylor submitted or caused others to submit dozens of voter registrations, absentee ballot request forms, and absentee ballots containing false information,” the Justice Department wrote in a news release. “Taylor completed and signed voter forms without voters’ permission and told others that they could sign on behalf of relatives who were not present.”Taylor carried out a scheme to fraudulently generate votes for her husband, Woodbury County Supervisor Jeremy Taylor, who was challenging Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) in the June 2020 GOP congressional primary election. After Jeremy Taylor finished a distant third in that race, Kim Phuong Taylor again engaged in ballot fraud to help her husband’s successful reelection campaign as county supervisor, prosecutors say.

Kim Phuong Taylor was arrested and indicted in January. She faces a maximum of five years in prison for each of the 52 counts. A sentencing date has not been set, and she will remain free until sentencing, according to an order from U.S. District Judge Leonard Strand.

Once again, true to form. We're not discussing that, and I can give you tit-for-tat examples of this. THAT is the point.

Are we forever going to have all these lawsuits and political drama back and forth on every election? The only way to solve it is to go back to having paper ballots that can be physically counted by human beings who can actually see the results and verify them on all sides. And to make sure the voter rolls contain only those people who are eligible to vote.

To charge an elected representative with a crime because someone didn't like their vote? You are defending that?

[silverscreenselect]

To charge an elected representative with a crime because someone didn't like their vote? You are defending that?

Once again you demonstrate a severe deficiency in your reading comprehension skills. The reason the two voters "didn't like" their votes was because they hadn't voted. This woman procured voter registrations in their names and cast absentee ballots for them. When the two actually tried to obtain absentee ballots, they found that those ballots had already been cast.

And the woman was not an elected representative; she was the wfie of an elected official trying to help her husband and, not coincidentally, every other Republican on the ballot. And paper ballots won't magically solve problems. There isn't a voting system around that isn't capable of being defrauded by people who are clever and determined enough.

Despite what Flock might think, hand counting is slow, more labor intensive, and more error-prone than machine counting. A study of 120 ballots counted by project volunteers at Rice University found that only 58% of the participants got all the results correctly. (https://accurate-voting.rice.edu/wp-con ... goggin.pdf) That's with 120 ballots, not the thousands in most large counties. In addition, it's not a matter of counting Trump vs. Biden. Most even-year general elections have dozens of races on the ballot, especially when amendments and voter initiatives are included.

In 2022, the election supervisor in Nye County, NV, the largest county in the state by size, population about 50,000, recruited about 170 volunteers from around the state to count the general election ballots (about 20,000 of them) by hand. It was a disaster. On the first day, his volunteers had counted about 2,500 ballots with a 25% error rate. The hand count was conducted in parallel with a Dominion electronic count. In Esmeralda County, NV, two county commissioners and several election workers took seven hours to count the 317 ballots cast by hand. A hand audit in York County, PA, of two races on 1.842 ballots took four hours. Multiply that by the number of races and ballots in larger jurisdictions and you've got a time-consuming mess. Plus, the largest counties, which tend to be heavily Democratic, will take the longest time to count all the votes by hand, leading to even more charges of fraud and vote rigging. Over 500,000 people voted in Fulton County, GA, in the 2020 presidential election.

https://www.democracydocket.com/analysi ... d-of-2024/

[jarnon]

To charge an elected representative with a crime because someone didn't like their vote? You are defending that?

Once again you demonstrate a severe deficiency in your reading comprehension skills. The reason the two voters "didn't like" their votes was because they hadn't voted. This woman procured voter registrations in their names and cast absentee ballots for them. When the two actually tried to obtain absentee ballots, they found that those ballots had already been cast.

And the woman was not an elected representative; she was the wfie of an elected official trying to help her husband and, not coincidentally, every other Republican on the ballot. And paper ballots won't magically solve problems. There isn't a voting system around that isn't capable of being defrauded by people who are clever and determined enough.

I think Flock is referring to the two Arizona commissioners. We all agree that what the woman in Iowa did is wrong.

Here in Pennsylvania, Democrats and Republicans are working together to prevent the problems that plagued recent elections:

Shapiro Administration Introduces Redesigned Mail Ballot Materials to Give Voters Clearer Instructions, Decrease Number of Rejected Ballots, and Ensure Every Legal Vote is Counted

I think even more can be done to make voting secure without going as far as France.

[flockofseagulls104]

To charge an elected representative with a crime because someone didn't like their vote? You are defending that?

Once again you demonstrate a severe deficiency in your reading comprehension skills. The reason the two voters "didn't like" their votes was because they hadn't voted. This woman procured voter registrations in their names and cast absentee ballots for them. When the two actually tried to obtain absentee ballots, they found that those ballots had already been cast.

And the woman was not an elected representative; she was the wfie of an elected official trying to help her husband and, not coincidentally, every other Republican on the ballot. And paper ballots won't magically solve problems. There isn't a voting system around that isn't capable of being defrauded by people who are clever and determined enough.

I think Flock is referring to the two Arizona commissioners. We all agree that what the woman in Iowa did is wrong.

Here in Pennsylvania, Democrats and Republicans are working together to prevent the problems that plagued recent elections:

Shapiro Administration Introduces Redesigned Mail Ballot Materials to Give Voters Clearer Instructions, Decrease Number of Rejected Ballots, and Ensure Every Legal Vote is Counted

I think even more can be done to make voting secure without going as far as France.

Yes there can be, but there are EIE's (Election Interference Enablers) who abuse their power to prevent any of those things from being done.

[SportsFan68]

Travis wrote:

Toastmasters rule!

So true. Thanks, Travis!