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18% of Voters Persuadable in Presidential Race

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:28 pm
by cindy.wellman
Story here

I wonder if that percentage is accurate for our group of people on this bored. I've seen quite a few posts stating that nobody is going to be influenced by what is said here, and I'd be interested to know if that is true.

I do enjoy the political postings on this group. I feel that it is a shame when any of the posts upset another person though. I like seeing links to things that I may not have known about due to my regular surfing habits. Persuasive, non-inflamatory discussion piques my interest. I do want to know when a candidate has messed up. Sometimes the quickest group to find out that information is from the other camp. So be it. I'm able to separate the wheat from the chaff. I also respect those who choose not to participate, and those who are tired of anything politically related.

Re: 18% of Voters Persuadable in Presidential Race

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:37 pm
by BackInTex
cindy.wellman wrote: I wonder if that percentage is accurate for our group of people on this bored.
No, we are all too hard headed.

I'm just glad I am always on the right side of an issue so I don't even have to consider changing my mind.

Re: 18% of Voters Persuadable in Presidential Race

Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:48 pm
by MarleysGh0st
cindy.wellman wrote: I wonder if that percentage is accurate for our group of people on this bored. I've seen quite a few posts stating that nobody is going to be influenced by what is said here, and I'd be interested to know if that is true.
I think it's the tone of the political discussions here that drive most of us to the Moratorium Lounge. They fit the classic description for an internet flame: more heat than light.

Re: 18% of Voters Persuadable in Presidential Race

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:11 am
by NellyLunatic1980
BackInTex wrote:No, we are all too hard headed.

I'm just glad I am always on the right side of an issue so I don't even have to consider changing my mind.
An accurate statement if you define right as "Republican" and not "correct".

Re: 18% of Voters Persuadable in Presidential Race

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:02 am
by peacock2121
BackInTex wrote:
cindy.wellman wrote: I wonder if that percentage is accurate for our group of people on this bored.
No, we are all too hard headed.

I'm just glad I am always on the right side of an issue so I don't even have to consider changing my mind.
That is exactly how I describe you!

except for that one thing, which I always tell people about.

Re: 18% of Voters Persuadable in Presidential Race

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:04 am
by peacock2121
NellyLunatic1980 wrote:
BackInTex wrote:No, we are all too hard headed.

I'm just glad I am always on the right side of an issue so I don't even have to consider changing my mind.
An accurate statement if you define right as "Republican" and not "correct".
That was divisive.

Way to go.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:36 pm
by mrkelley23
I am still persuadable.

Tribe is still persuadable.

Not sure how many others are willing to stand up and be counted.

I can tell you this: there have been times in the last two months when I have found myself leaning pretty heavily toward McCain.

Then I make the mistake of coming here and reading SSS and danielh and Sirge's political posts.

And I'm right back on the fence.

And to think that this year my vote might actually count for something!

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:48 pm
by SportsFan68
I am not persuadable, except for Amendments 52 and 58 (severance tax measures), which I cannot make heads or tails out of.

I will be in two meetings next week on ALL 18 ballot issues (the nation's highest) and they will splain it so I can make up my mind.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:08 pm
by PlacentiaSoccerMom
Emma told me tonight that since I don't care for McCain or Obama that I should vote for a third party instead. She wants me to vote for the Green Party.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:10 pm
by danielh41
PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:Emma told me tonight that since I don't care for McCain or Obama that I should vote for a third party instead. She wants me to vote for the Green Party.
How about Alan Keyes?

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:12 pm
by SportsFan68
danielh41 wrote:
PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:Emma told me tonight that since I don't care for McCain or Obama that I should vote for a third party instead. She wants me to vote for the Green Party.
How about Alan Keyes?
How about Ron Paul?

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:55 pm
by PlacentiaSoccerMom
My plan is to hold my nose and vote for Obama.

I always feel as though a vote for a third party is a wasted vote. It's interesting that my twelve year old thinks that they are a viable alternative.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:10 pm
by SportsFan68
PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:My plan is to hold my nose and vote for Obama.

I always feel as though a vote for a third party is a wasted vote. It's interesting that my twelve year old thinks that they are a viable alternative.
Very interesting.

But she's a smart kid. She'll figure it out by the time she's old enough to vote.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:36 pm
by Admiral Stockdale
SportsFan68 wrote:
danielh41 wrote:
PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:Emma told me tonight that since I don't care for McCain or Obama that I should vote for a third party instead. She wants me to vote for the Green Party.
How about Alan Keyes?
How about Ron Paul?

How about Beebs?

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:02 am
by danielh41
PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:My plan is to hold my nose and vote for Obama.

I always feel as though a vote for a third party is a wasted vote. It's interesting that my twelve year old thinks that they are a viable alternative.
Hold your nose? Better hold on to your pocket book and get away from major population centers too. Obama's tax and fiscal policies will damage our economy, and his foreign policy and defense spending policies will leave us more open to terrorist attacks. And if things keep going the way they are now, we are headed toward a major war that will make Iraq and Afganistan look like a picnic. Russia is helping Iran build nukes, and they are selling arms to that America-hating socialist in Venezuela. We need someone who will strenghten our military, not make cuts in it to help finance wealth redistribution domestic projects. McCain isn't perfect, but he would be a much better leader in the times ahead than Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:40 am
by peacock2121
I would love to hear what the "hold my nose and vote for ______" really means. Obviously, one will not go into the voting booth and literally hold one's nose.

What does it mean?

Does it mean you are voting to elect someone you don't want to run your country?

Does it mean they don't match the 'ideal canditdate' and yet they are better than the other one?

What exactly does it mean?

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:13 am
by gsabc
peacock2121 wrote:I would love to hear what the "hold my nose and vote for ______" really means. Obviously, one will not go into the voting booth and literally hold one's nose.

What does it mean?

Does it mean you are voting to elect someone you don't want to run your country?

Does it mean they don't match the 'ideal canditdate' and yet they are better than the other one?

What exactly does it mean?
Carrying the metaphor on, it means that all your choices stink, but you are voting for one of them anyway. Another version of "the lesser of two evils". Or more, if the Libertarian and other party candidates are on the ballot.

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:19 am
by minimetoo26
danielh41 wrote: Hold your nose? Better hold on to your pocket book and get away from major population centers too. Obama's tax and fiscal policies will damage our economy
As opposed to....?

Seriously, I favor Tax and Spend over Borrow and Spend. I pay my bills in full, not leave them for my kids to pay. And I'm the one who has benefitted from all those tax cuts, ironically. So, thanks? But, no thanks...

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:26 am
by PlacentiaSoccerMom
peacock2121 wrote:I would love to hear what the "hold my nose and vote for ______" really means. Obviously, one will not go into the voting booth and literally hold one's nose.

What does it mean?

Does it mean you are voting to elect someone you don't want to run your country?

Does it mean they don't match the 'ideal canditdate' and yet they are better than the other one?

What exactly does it mean?
He is not my ideal candidate, some of his ideas stink, but I think that he will do a better job for the country, so I will vote for him.

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:29 am
by peacock2121
PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:
peacock2121 wrote:I would love to hear what the "hold my nose and vote for ______" really means. Obviously, one will not go into the voting booth and literally hold one's nose.

What does it mean?

Does it mean you are voting to elect someone you don't want to run your country?

Does it mean they don't match the 'ideal canditdate' and yet they are better than the other one?

What exactly does it mean?
He is not my ideal candidate, some of his ideas stink, but I think that he will do a better job for the country, so I will vote for him.
This holds him in much higher regard than the "holding my nose" thing.

Whoever our president will be will need a level of regard from the people who vote for him.

And some level of regard from those who don't.

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:32 am
by gsabc
minimetoo26 wrote:
danielh41 wrote: Hold your nose? Better hold on to your pocket book and get away from major population centers too. Obama's tax and fiscal policies will damage our economy
As opposed to....?

Seriously, I favor Tax and Spend over Borrow and Spend. I pay my bills in full, not leave them for my kids to pay. And I'm the one who has benefitted from all those tax cuts, ironically. So, thanks? But, no thanks...
Amen, sister! I have yet to have someone explain to me why "Pay As You Go" is better than "Borrow the money and let our descendants pay for it". Sure, there's a near-term advantage (see Ken Fisher's investment book), but when the bills come due, look out below.