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What happens if the clock expires before you give your second Double Dip answer? Is is considered a "wrong answer," or are you merely forced to walk away?

DadofTwins wrote:What happens if the clock expires before you give your second Double Dip answer? Is is considered a "wrong answer," or are you merely forced to walk away?

I would suspect that it is counted as wrong - as you are committed to answering once you do the DD. You can't walk at that point.

Is that even possible? I thought the clock stops when you're doing a Double Dip.

TheConfessor wrote:Is that even possible? I thought the clock stops when you're doing a Double Dip.

That could be.

I haven't paid close enough attention.

TheConfessor wrote:Is that even possible? I thought the clock stops when you're doing a Double Dip.

It restarts after the first answer is revealed to be wrong. (If the first answer is correct, of course, the question has concluded.) --Bob

Bob78164 wrote:

TheConfessor wrote:Is that even possible? I thought the clock stops when you're doing a Double Dip.

It restarts after the first answer is revealed to be wrong. (If the first answer is correct, of course, the question has concluded.) --Bob

Somebody has been paying attention.

peacock2121 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:

TheConfessor wrote:Is that even possible? I thought the clock stops when you're doing a Double Dip.

It restarts after the first answer is revealed to be wrong. (If the first answer is correct, of course, the question has concluded.) --Bob

Somebody has been paying attention.

Somebody still hopes for an appearance on the show in his future, rather than his past, and therefore is doing as much advance planning as possible. --Bob

Bob78164 wrote:

peacock2121 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:It restarts after the first answer is revealed to be wrong. (If the first answer is correct, of course, the question has concluded.) --Bob

Somebody has been paying attention.

Somebody still hopes for an appearance on the show in his future, rather than his past, and therefore is doing as much advance planning as possible. --Bob

Smart planning.

peacock2121 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:

peacock2121 wrote: Somebody has been paying attention.

Somebody still hopes for an appearance on the show in his future, rather than his past, and therefore is doing as much advance planning as possible. --Bob

Smart planning.

I've also been known to give a little thought to the PAF process. We'll see in November whether that thought paid off. --Bob

Bob78164 wrote:

peacock2121 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:Somebody still hopes for an appearance on the show in his future, rather than his past, and therefore is doing as much advance planning as possible. --Bob

Smart planning.

I've also been known to give a little thought to the PAF process. We'll see in November whether that thought paid off. --Bob

Bring pictures of the little guy. Play up that aspect of your life.

That may tip the scales.

TheConfessor wrote:Is that even possible? I thought the clock stops when you're doing a Double Dip.

I just reviewed the tape of the first contestant who used a double dip and needed both choices...

It worked this way. Saying DD stop the clock. She then had to give an answer, but the clock was stopped - it is not clear what would happen if the contestant tried to stall but the assumption was they would have to give their first answer right then and there - but no clock was ticking - so I don't know what would happen if they then started to think out-loud about the choice - I'm guessing Meredith would say you have to answer now.

If the contestant is right, then the game moves forward.

If the contestant is wrong on the first guess - as in the case I just reviewed - Meredith states that it is not the right answer, tells them how many seconds they have to come up with the second answer and restarts the clock. The clock ticks down and the contestant has to give their answer in the allotted time. I'm assuming that if they don't give the answer before time runs out then that counts as providing a wrong answer and not a walk away from the question since they stress that there is no turning back from a DD.

So for the first answer of a DD - no clock ticking, for the second dip - clock is in play.

This leads me to an edge case I hadn't thought of and I wonder if it is allowed. Can you use (if you have one) another lifeline between the first and second double dip responses. For example you have 20 seconds on the clock and you use a double dip - your first answer is incorrect so the clock starts up again - you then say you want to phone-a-friend, you use the PAF with the 3 remaining choices and get a response, clock starts again and you have to answer - if you don't it counts as a miss.

I'm not sure they considered this case but I don't see why it should be disallowed, as long as the clock is ticking you should be able to use an available lifeline. You are allowed to use multiple lifelines on a single question, you are just inserting that lifeline in the middle of the DD - it is like using the 50-50 then PAF IMO.

Here is were it might be useful - you have a question that is not a straight forward google since it is a 'negative' question, i.e. which of these did not do X - harder to google, but maybe if you remove at least one of the choices it would improves your odds. So you DD, answer, miss, clock starts, then ask for PAF, clock stops, read the Q with only 3 choices - 30 secs on the PAF, PAF finishes clock starts up where it left off then you answer or let the clock expire and you miss the question. You are not getting anymore answer time - since you are allowed to only answer when you clock is running (not the PAF clock) - so I think it would be legit.

Thoughts?

---Jay

frogman042 wrote: This leads me to an edge case I hadn't thought of and I wonder if it is allowed. Can you use (if you have one) another lifeline between the first and second double dip responses. For example you have 20 seconds on the clock and you use a double dip - your first answer is incorrect so the clock starts up again - you then say you want to phone-a-friend, you use the PAF with the 3 remaining choices and get a response, clock starts again and you have to answer - if you don't it counts as a miss.

I'm not sure they considered this case but I don't see why it should be disallowed, as long as the clock is ticking you should be able to use an available lifeline. You are allowed to use multiple lifelines on a single question, you are just inserting that lifeline in the middle of the DD - it is like using the 50-50 then PAF IMO.

I'm surprised they didn't explain this to you in your briefing, and that no one asked the question if it wasn't clear. Assuming the Double Dip is the same as it was on Super Millionaire in 2004, your idea would not be allowed.

Double dip would be useful after a ATA when you get an unexplained second spike. Like when the top vote getter is the obvious distractor but the #2 vote getter might be the real answer. Something like

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TheConfessor wrote:

frogman042 wrote: This leads me to an edge case I hadn't thought of and I wonder if it is allowed. Can you use (if you have one) another lifeline between the first and second double dip responses. For example you have 20 seconds on the clock and you use a double dip - your first answer is incorrect so the clock starts up again - you then say you want to phone-a-friend, you use the PAF with the 3 remaining choices and get a response, clock starts again and you have to answer - if you don't it counts as a miss.

I'm not sure they considered this case but I don't see why it should be disallowed, as long as the clock is ticking you should be able to use an available lifeline. You are allowed to use multiple lifelines on a single question, you are just inserting that lifeline in the middle of the DD - it is like using the 50-50 then PAF IMO.

I'm surprised they didn't explain this to you in your briefing, and that no one asked the question if it wasn't clear. Assuming the Double Dip is the same as it was on Super Millionaire in 2004, your idea would not be allowed.

There were so many new changes and so many questions going back and forth - I'm not sure anyone in our group (I know I didn't) envisioned the scenario of spliting a DD - it seems a bit esoteric. I don't have the written rules that I signed and returned to them, and I didn't make a copy - so it might be in there, or they might have said you can't use another lifeline in the middle of a DD and therefore I didn't think of the case. If they did I would have totally forgotten about it by now.

BTW, how do you know it was not allowed on SuperBAM - was it explicit in the rules or do you know someone who asked about it? SuperBAM had no clock so I could see why it wouldn't be allowed then - but they had 50-50 - in addition to DD. Here there is a clock and no 50-50 so I'm curious as to why it wouldn't be allowed...

---Jay

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Double dip would be useful after a ATA when you get an unexplained second spike. Like when the top vote getter is the obvious distractor but the #2 vote getter might be the real answer. Something like

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For example the 49th parallel question that we recently saw. I think that the slogan '54 40 or fight' slogan led many people to think that our border with Canada was at a much higher latitude than it really is.

---Jay

frogman042 wrote:BTW, how do you know it was not allowed on SuperBAM - was it explicit in the rules or do you know someone who asked about it? SuperBAM had no clock so I could see why it wouldn't be allowed then - but they had 50-50 - in addition to DD. Here there is a clock and no 50-50 so I'm curious as to why it wouldn't be allowed...

I'm not sure how clear it was to the home viewer, but I attended the first three days of taping for Super Millionaire, and it was explicitly stated and made clear to everyone in the studio that Double Dip was a self-contained lifeline and that no other lifelines would be allowed in the middle of Double Dip.

TheConfessor wrote:I'm not sure how clear it was to the home viewer, but I attended the first three days of taping for Super Millionaire, and it was explicitly stated and made clear to everyone in the studio that Double Dip was a self-contained lifeline and that no other lifelines would be allowed in the middle of Double Dip.

The double dip works as TheConfessor describes above - exactly the same way it did on Super Millionaire. It is a self-contained lifeline - its use must be completed before another lifeline is used.

If double dip is called for with 1 second left, and the player's first answer is incorrect, I'm speculating that the player would be able to specify their second answer before the clock is restarted. We'll have to see if this case actually happens in practice.

15QuestionsAway wrote:

TheConfessor wrote:I'm not sure how clear it was to the home viewer, but I attended the first three days of taping for Super Millionaire, and it was explicitly stated and made clear to everyone in the studio that Double Dip was a self-contained lifeline and that no other lifelines would be allowed in the middle of Double Dip.

The double dip works as TheConfessor describes above - exactly the same way it did on Super Millionaire. It is a self-contained lifeline - its use must be completed before another lifeline is used.

If double dip is called for with 1 second left, and the player's first answer is incorrect, I'm speculating that the player would be able to specify their second answer before the clock is restarted. We'll have to see if this case actually happens in practice.

It's very possible that that is how it was stated and that is why my scenario never came up. More then likely it was explained that way and I totally forgot about it.

Regarding using a lifeline at the last possible moment, it was stated that if there is not enough time remaining to actually provided an answer after the lifeline was used then you couldn't stop the clock for a lifeline at that point - so my guess is, if you down to 1 second and asked for a lifeline you wouldn't get to use it.

---Jay

You cant get a football play off in one second, even spiking the ball, if that helps. But "A_finalanswr" could be in 1/2 a second...?? Why would that not be allowed?

etaoin22 wrote:You cant get a football play off in one second, even spiking the ball, if that helps. But "A_finalanswr" could be in 1/2 a second...?? Why would that not be allowed?

Not sure, I think it was to stress not to wait until the last moment for a lifeline because then you just wont have the time to use it. If Meredith restarts the clock and it hits 0 before you can even respond - you are SOL. No answers are allowed during the lifeline when the clock is stopped - it has to be running for an answer to count - so I think what they are saying is if you go to a lifeline and the time stops at just before 0 then you wont be able to use it. I don't know if it has been tested, though.