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Why One Hillary Supporter Supports Palin

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:06 pm
by silverscreenselect
From a pro-Hillary, anti-Obama site:
The hatred and animosity directed at Sarah Palin is simply mind numbing. A friend sent this to me last night:
I respect you and your service to the country, but I have to disagree with your position on the election.

I’ll just ask you this: can you imagine leaving a briefing of Sarah Palin with the feeling you had after your first briefing of Hillary Clinton? Yes, she’s being criticized by a lot of people for bullshit reasons, just like Senator Clinton was, but that does not make her Hillary Clinton’s equal. There’s plenty of substance to criticize her for, and some of it might even rise to impeachable levels.

The choice we have sucks, but I cannot see any upside to John McCain appointing at least two Justices of the Supreme Court when he’s promised to appoint Scalia/Thomas clones. I can at least see a possibility that Obama will appoint more centrist Justices and lower-court judges.
So let me explain why I think Palin is Hillary’s equal.

I judge a politician by what they do not what they say. The words are important, but actions that back up the words are more important. The most outstanding thing about Sarah Palin is how she took on both the Republican party establishment and the oil industry in Alaska. You cannot show me one instance where Barack Obama or Joe Biden put their careers at risk over principle. Not one. Palin did it twice. And she did not have her eye on running for President. She did what she thought was right and did it with no hope of personally profiting from the effort. That is character.

I do not worry whether or not she has glad handed a bevy of global leaders. That can be learned. The bottomline for me is does she have the character to do the right thing even if it puts her political future at stake? I believe the answer to that question is yes.

Sarah has had a different career path than Hillary. She has made some different choices than Hillary. But like Hillary she is a strong person. Palin, I believe, is committed genuinely to doing right by the average American. That is a refreshing quality that is entirely absent in Barack Obama. Obama, for example, promised to accept public financing for his campaign and then turned his back on that promise. The same can be said for gun control, Fisa, health care, etc. He’ll say whatever he thinks needs to be said to get elected. In Palin, thankfully, we see a person who says what she thinks and sticks with it. That is the kind of non-change I can believe in.
No matter how much Obama's bunch tries to trash her, it struck me that Palin has far more integrity and character than Obama. I'm reminded of the question asked of Obama and McCain in the Saddleback Forum about the most difficult decision each man had to make. McCain told the story about refusing to allow himself to be sent home from the POW camp. Palin, if asked, could have talked about taking on the Republican establishment in Alaska when she was elected. Obama gave the nonsense about his nearly invisible speech about the Iraq war.

McCain and Palin have integrity, character, and toughness. Obama does not.

Re: Why One Hillary Supporter Supports Palin

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:31 pm
by Thousandaire
silverscreenselect wrote: McCain told the story about refusing to allow himself to be sent home from the POW camp.
There's something that's always bothered me about this story. In Hanoi, McCain was not in control of his destiny. If the Vietnamese wanted to, they could have just released McCain and said, "He asked to be released, because his father's an Admiral, so we did." He says they gave him a choice, but it wasn't up to him. I respect McCain for his sacrifice and service, but this story is suspect. Can anyone independently verify it?

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:05 pm
by 15QuestionsAway
I've come to the conclusion you're Joe Lieberman.

Sorry to out you like this in a public forum, but your writings speak for themselves.

Re: Why One Hillary Supporter Supports Palin

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:48 pm
by TheCalvinator24
Thousandaire wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote: McCain told the story about refusing to allow himself to be sent home from the POW camp.
There's something that's always bothered me about this story. In Hanoi, McCain was not in control of his destiny. If the Vietnamese wanted to, they could have just released McCain and said, "He asked to be released, because his father's an Admiral, so we did." He says they gave him a choice, but it wasn't up to him. I respect McCain for his sacrifice and service, but this story is suspect. Can anyone independently verify it?
That piece somebody posted from a fellow POW who says he won't vote for McCain said that they were all given the opportunity to be released if they would provide false propaganda for the North Vietnamese.

Re: Why One Hillary Supporter Supports Palin

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:45 pm
by JBillyGirl
The hatred and animosity directed at Sarah Palin is simply mind numbing. A friend sent this to me last night:
I respect you and your service to the country, but I have to disagree with your position on the election.

I’ll just ask you this: can you imagine leaving a briefing of Sarah Palin with the feeling you had after your first briefing of Hillary Clinton? Yes, she’s being criticized by a lot of people for bullshit reasons, just like Senator Clinton was, but that does not make her Hillary Clinton’s equal. There’s plenty of substance to criticize her for, and some of it might even rise to impeachable levels.

The choice we have sucks, but I cannot see any upside to John McCain appointing at least two Justices of the Supreme Court when he’s promised to appoint Scalia/Thomas clones. I can at least see a possibility that Obama will appoint more centrist Justices and lower-court judges.
I know this quote is taken out of context, but if the original, anti-Obama poster is really using the friend's e-mail as an example of "mind-numbing hatred and animosity directed at Sarah Palin," then I think it says a lot more about the poster than it does about the friend.

Re: Why One Hillary Supporter Supports Palin

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:54 pm
by BackInTex
Thousandaire wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote: McCain told the story about refusing to allow himself to be sent home from the POW camp.
There's something that's always bothered me about this story. In Hanoi, McCain was not in control of his destiny. If the Vietnamese wanted to, they could have just released McCain and said, "He asked to be released, because his father's an Admiral, so we did." He says they gave him a choice, but it wasn't up to him. I respect McCain for his sacrifice and service, but this story is suspect. Can anyone independently verify it?
I read on a blog somewhere that it is true. What more do you need?

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:56 pm
by BackInTex
I find it interesting that this election has become Obama vs Palin.

Re: Why One Hillary Supporter Supports Palin

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:26 pm
by Bob Juch
TheCalvinator24 wrote:
Thousandaire wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote: McCain told the story about refusing to allow himself to be sent home from the POW camp.
There's something that's always bothered me about this story. In Hanoi, McCain was not in control of his destiny. If the Vietnamese wanted to, they could have just released McCain and said, "He asked to be released, because his father's an Admiral, so we did." He says they gave him a choice, but it wasn't up to him. I respect McCain for his sacrifice and service, but this story is suspect. Can anyone independently verify it?
That piece somebody posted from a fellow POW who says he won't vote for McCain said that they were all given the opportunity to be released if they would provide false propaganda for the North Vietnamese.
But McCain did give false statements and even recorded "Tokyo Rose" radio broadcasts.

Re: Why One Hillary Supporter Supports Palin

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:36 pm
by Bob78164
Bob Juch wrote:
TheCalvinator24 wrote:
Thousandaire wrote: There's something that's always bothered me about this story. In Hanoi, McCain was not in control of his destiny. If the Vietnamese wanted to, they could have just released McCain and said, "He asked to be released, because his father's an Admiral, so we did." He says they gave him a choice, but it wasn't up to him. I respect McCain for his sacrifice and service, but this story is suspect. Can anyone independently verify it?
That piece somebody posted from a fellow POW who says he won't vote for McCain said that they were all given the opportunity to be released if they would provide false propaganda for the North Vietnamese.
But McCain did give false statements and even recorded "Tokyo Rose" radio broadcasts.
Link, please. --Bob

Re: Why One Hillary Supporter Supports Palin

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:23 pm
by Bob Juch
Bob78164 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
TheCalvinator24 wrote: That piece somebody posted from a fellow POW who says he won't vote for McCain said that they were all given the opportunity to be released if they would provide false propaganda for the North Vietnamese.
But McCain did give false statements and even recorded "Tokyo Rose" radio broadcasts.
Link, please. --Bob
I thought that was common knowledge - his book(s) - which I will not read.

Also see: http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/