Was Jesus a Community Organizer?

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Sir_Galahad · #1 Post by **Sir_Galahad** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:01 pm

This seems to be the latest buzzword phrase in the liberal blogosphere. What do they (the liberal media) do? Post it somewhere where it says "the password for today is "Jesus was a Community Organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor."?" And, then everyone tries to squeeze that phrase into their daily slam?

Now I may be wrong (again) and if I am I will have to defer to Cal or earendel but I read the Bible many years ago but do not recall ever seeing a passage that referred to Jesus (thinly veiled or otherwise) as a "Community Organizer." Was I sleeping when I read that one, too, or did I just miss it someplace?

And, I thought Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea who was acting on the will of people when he sent Jesus to be crucified.

So, if I am making this connection properly, Jesus = Obama and Pilate = Palin. And, Palin should be acting on the will of the people to send Obama to his figurative crucifixion. But, Palin isn't the one running for president or did I miss something here as well? I am so confused.

MarleysGh0st · #2 Post by **MarleysGh0st** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:10 pm

How many liberal blogs do you read?

Appa23 · #3 Post by **Appa23** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:12 pm

MarleysGh0st wrote:How many liberal blogs do you read?

Well, there is MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, . . .

Sir_Galahad · #4 Post by **Sir_Galahad** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:27 pm

MarleysGh0st wrote:How many liberal blogs do you read?

Almost none. On rare occasion I will drift over to the Huffington Post for a good laugh.

peacock2121 · #5 Post by **peacock2121** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:27 pm

MarleysGh0st wrote:How many liberal blogs do you read?

Ha!

Such a non-Marley question.

Made me laugh.

MarleysGh0st · #6 Post by **MarleysGh0st** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:35 pm

peacock2121 wrote:
MarleysGh0st wrote:How many liberal blogs do you read?

Ha!

Such a non-Marley question.

Made me laugh.

See what happens when I accept a ticket for a live broadcast of an Air America show?

danielh41 · #7 Post by **danielh41** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:39 pm

Sir_Galahad wrote:This seems to be the latest buzzword phrase in the liberal blogosphere. What do they (the liberal media) do? Post it somewhere where it says "the password for today is "Jesus was a Community Organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor."?" And, then everyone tries to squeeze that phrase into their daily slam?

Now I may be wrong (again) and if I am I will have to defer to Cal or earendel but I read the Bible many years ago but do not recall ever seeing a passage that referred to Jesus (thinly veiled or otherwise) as a "Community Organizer." Was I sleeping when I read that one, too, or did I just miss it someplace?

And, I thought Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea who was acting on the will of people when he sent Jesus to be crucified.

So, if I am making this connection properly, Jesus = Obama and Pilate = Palin. And, Palin should be acting on the will of the people to send Obama to his figurative crucifixion. But, Palin isn't the one running for president or did I miss something here as well? I am so confused.

This is a misguided attempt by the wrong ... I mean the Left ... to try to elevate the title of community organizer. I guess they really do think of Obama as their Messiah. What this will do is offend and further alienate those of us who cling to our Bibles and guns (although I don't own any guns, but I do have several Bibles).

wintergreen48 · #8 Post by **wintergreen48** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:12 pm

Don't know if Jesus was actually a 'community organizer' (what did he 'organize'?), but Pontius Pilate was not a governor, he was a prefect.

TheConfessor · #9 Post by **TheConfessor** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:53 pm

wintergreen48 wrote:Don't know if Jesus was actually a 'community organizer' (what did he 'organize'?), but Pontius Pilate was not a governor, he was a prefect.

Well, parctice makes prefect. But since Pontius Pilate and Jesus Christ didn't speak English, any argument about such terminology is pointless.

Spock · #10 Post by **Spock** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:53 pm

Well-there is the Jesus version of "Community Organizing" and then there is the Barack Obama version of Community Organizing where you do business with the Chicago TPTB and don't attempt refom.

ne1410s · #11 Post by **ne1410s** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:03 am

...where you do business with the Chicago TPTB and don't attempt reform.

Change "Chicago TPTB" to "Energy, Credit Card, Lenders, Arms Suppliers TPTB" and you have 8 years of Dick/George...

SportsFan68 · #12 Post by **SportsFan68** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:14 am

wintergreen48 wrote:Don't know if Jesus was actually a 'community organizer' (what did he 'organize'?), but Pontius Pilate was not a governor, he was a prefect.

As Ed points out, it's difficult to discuss this because of language and other differences. Whatever Jesus did, it was more than two millennia ago. Based on a Discovery program that runs from time to time, I would say that Jesus was definitely a community organizer. He organized his disciples and thousands of others in his community into a movement which eventually overthrew the temple system.

traininvain · #13 Post by **traininvain** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:36 am

Lyrically Speaking, of course...

Lyrics to Jesus Was A Cross Maker
(Judee Sill)

Sweet silver angels over the sea
Please come down flying low for me

One time I trusted a stranger
'Cause I heard his sweet song
It was gently enticing me
But there was something wrong
And when I turned
He was gone
Blinding me
His song remains reminding me
He's a bandit and a heartbreaker
My Jesus was a cross maker

Sweet silver angels over the sea
Please come down flying low for me

He wages war with the devil
With a pistol by His side
He's always chasing him out of windows
And He won't give him a place to hide
But he keeps His door
Open wide
Fighting him
He lights a lamp inviting him
He's a bandit and a heartbreaker
My Jesus was a cross maker
Yeah, Jesus was a cross maker

I heard the thunder come rumblin'
The light never looked so dim
I see the junction git nearer
and danger is in the wind
And either road's lookin' grim

Hidin' me, I flee, desire dividin' me
He's a bandit and a heartbreaker.
Oh, but Jesus was a cross maker
Yes, Jesus was a cross maker

Spock · #14 Post by **Spock** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:11 am

ne1410s wrote:
...where you do business with the Chicago TPTB and don't attempt reform.
Change "Chicago TPTB" to "Energy, Credit Card, Lenders, Arms Suppliers TPTB" and you have 8 years of Dick/George...

2 of the 4 major candidates (Obama and Palin) came out of what are probably 2 of the slimiest political regimes in the country-Chicago Democrat and Alaska Republican.

One has a record of carrying water for the Chicago boys-per numerous sources-specifically-A recent column by Michael Barone.

Where has Obama gone against the Chicago machine? in a substantive way?

Conversely-Palin has a record of reform against the Alaska Republicans.

Bob Juch · #15 Post by **Bob Juch** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:29 pm

Spock wrote:
ne1410s wrote:
...where you do business with the Chicago TPTB and don't attempt reform.
Change "Chicago TPTB" to "Energy, Credit Card, Lenders, Arms Suppliers TPTB" and you have 8 years of Dick/George...
2 of the 4 major candidates (Obama and Palin) came out of what are probably 2 of the slimiest political regimes in the country-Chicago Democrat and Alaska Republican.

One has a record of carrying water for the Chicago boys-per numerous sources-specifically-A recent column by Michael Barone.

Where has Obama gone against the Chicago machine? in a substantive way?

Conversely-Palin has a record of reform against the Alaska Republicans.

Really? What specifically has Palin done to reform Alaska politics?

ne1410s · #16 Post by **ne1410s** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:57 pm

Conversely-Palin has a record of reform against the Alaska Republicans.

Well, she did request 200 million bucks in earmarks for her state (just this year alone). Maybe it was to buy paddles to use on those rascally repubs.

And why did you ignore the Dick/George thingie- so to speak?

Spock · #17 Post by **Spock** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:27 pm

ne1410s wrote:
Conversely-Palin has a record of reform against the Alaska Republicans.
Well, she did request 200 million bucks in earmarks for her state (just this year alone). Maybe it was to buy paddles to use on those rascally repubs.

And why did you ignore the Dick/George thingie- so to speak?

After I posted_I had thought that it would have been better to say-She has a record of attempting reform against the Ak reps-plus you guys set the terms of this debate as reform-Obama had a fertile field to play in and I see not even an attempt.

Why did I ignore Dick/George?-They are not on the ballot and given the choices we had for each general election-they were the best choice available at the time.

As exampled by your post-It is obvious that Obama's sole strategy is to ride the disgust for Bush into the WH. We will see if it works-

hf_jai · #18 Post by **hf_jai** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:42 pm

SportsFan68 wrote:...I would say that Jesus was definitely a community organizer. He organized his disciples and thousands of others in his community into a movement which eventually overthrew the temple system.

I haven't seen the Discovery program, but I don't think Jesus had much to do with overthrowing the "temple system." He may have thrown out the money changers, but he still ascribed to a biblical tradition which was based on worship and sacrifice at the Temple, led by the priests.

The main opposition to the Temple priests (Saducees) were the Pharisees. They created rabbinic Judaism, which is all that was left when the Romans destroyed the Temple some 40 years after Jesus died.

I think it's fair to say Jesus did some organizing: feeding the masses, healing the sick, meeting with tax collectors and other low lifes; but it was Paul who organized Chrisitianity into more than just another Jewish sect.

TheCalvinator24 · #19 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:45 pm

hf_jai is pretty much spot on.

I wouldn't consider Jesus to have been a "Community Organizer," but like much in this life, it all depends on how we define terms.

TheCalvinator24 · #20 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:47 pm

When I said "pretty much spot on" I didn't mean to imply that she's not right in some respects. I realized after I hit "Post" that "pretty much" could be interpreted to mean I thought there were quibbles to be had.

themanintheseersuckersuit · #21 Post by **themanintheseersuckersuit** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:15 pm

could we end this with

Hitler was a community orgainzer and FDR was a govenor.

TheCalvinator24 · #22 Post by **TheCalvinator24** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:21 pm

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:could we end this with

Hitler was a community orgainzer and FDR was a govenor.

Ouch!

minimetoo26 · #23 Post by **minimetoo26** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:22 pm

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:could we end this with

Hitler was a community orgainzer and FDR was a govenor.

Nazi!

ne1410s · #24 Post by **ne1410s** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:26 am

spock:

Why did I ignore Dick/George?-They are not on the ballot ...

Of course they are. They're now called Palin/McCain.

hf_jai · #25 Post by **hf_jai** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:57 am

ne1410s wrote:spock:
Why did I ignore Dick/George?-They are not on the ballot ...
Of course they are. They're now called Palin/McCain.

Actually, seems to me Dick is more like John -- the old foreign policy hand who is supposed to bring experience and gravitas to the ticket, and George is more like Sarah -- young, "fresh,: socially very conservative, and with some limited executive experience.

Personally, I think John is better than Dick. At least he's not a chicken hawk with five deferments. And while he has corporate ties I find questionable, I don't think he has ever made a profit at his country's expense. It can be argued that, because of personal wealth, he hasn't need to, but it still matters that he hasn't. Sarah and George seem very much alike to me, and that's part of why she scares me so much.

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