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Want more proof as to Obama's Socialism?

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:41 am
by Sir_Galahad

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:55 am
by BackInTex
Thanks Sirg.

Very scary.

I think most people who truly understand what Obama stands for, and are true freedom loving Americans, would rather have a 3rd term of GWB than the first year of Obama. As bad as that would be.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:02 am
by Inigo Montoya
To: Sir Galahad

Re: Socialism

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:11 am
by Sir_Galahad
Inigo Montoya wrote:To: Sir Galahad

Re: Socialism

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Per Mr. Webster: "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole."

Or, how about Marxism: "the economic and political theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels that hold that human actions and institutions are economically determined and that class struggle is needed to create historical change and that capitalism will ultimately be superseded by communism"

Sounds to me like what Obama has been preaching.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:13 am
by frogman042
If you find any, please post it - all I saw in those links were paranoid rants with 0 actual facts to back it up.

BTW, feel free to stop using the socialist Police and Fire departments.

---Jay (who is already regretting dipping his toe in a political thread - but at least knows that the expected air date is the same number as the age Karl Marx was when his brother Hermann died - (beware he might have faked his death and could be lurking under your bed!!!))

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:28 am
by dimmzy
What do you mean, GOING socialist?

Didn't I just buy a piece of Morgan Stanley?

And what about Halliburton? I'm waiting for my "dividend" from them, especially now that they've taken my money and run to Dubai, courtesy of Dick.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:42 am
by eyégor
I must be getting increasingly impatient as I approach my dotage.

I am greatly irritated by editorials that drive home their point with a sledgehammer in lieu of a more precise implement. The come from all sides of the political spectrum. The fact that these particular screeds are from the Adam Smith segment doesn't matter.

They are all similar.

Posit something guaranteed to scare the bejesus out of people.

Find references in your target's words that confirm your assertion, helpfully translating any portion that isn't hysteria inducing on its face.

Throw in some extraneous crap.

repeat.

"Economic justice" simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism.
Obama also talks about "restoring fairness to the economy," code for soaking the "rich" —
Is there a socialist speaker's manual that I'm not aware of, full of codewords ans super secret phrases? It must be well distributed since
Obama never spelled out the meaning of the term, but he didn't have to. His audience knew what he meant, judging from its thumping approval.
Then, move on to
"Universal national service" (a la Havana).
Ok, but isn't it also (a la Tel Aviv) or (a la pre WWI Berlin) or even (a la colonial America's militias)?

sprinkle in
Amid all this, Obama reunited with his late father's communist tribe in Kenya, the Luo, during trips to Africa.
Huh? I have forebearers who took up arms against a lawful government, pretty radical stuff. For the record, I also have many relatives who sided with said government, now happily residing in the Maritimes.

The sad thing is, there may be a legitimate issue here, or in this editorials brothers from across the political spectrum.

I just won't be able to hear what they want to say, given the repugnant way that it is said.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:49 am
by Rexer25
eyégor wrote:I must be getting increasingly impatient as I approach my dotage.

I am greatly irritated by editorials that drive home their point with a sledgehammer in lieu of a more precise implement. The come from all sides of the political spectrum. The fact that these particular screeds are from the Adam Smith segment doesn't matter.

They are all similar.

Posit something guaranteed to scare the bejesus out of people.

Find references in your target's words that confirm your assertion, helpfully translating any portion that isn't hysteria inducing on its face.

Throw in some extraneous crap.

repeat.

"Economic justice" simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism.
Obama also talks about "restoring fairness to the economy," code for soaking the "rich" —
Is there a socialist speaker's manual that I'm not aware of, full of codewords ans super secret phrases? It must be well distributed since
Obama never spelled out the meaning of the term, but he didn't have to. His audience knew what he meant, judging from its thumping approval.
Then, move on to
"Universal national service" (a la Havana).
Ok, but isn't it also (a la Tel Aviv) or (a la pre WWI Berlin) or even (a la colonial America's militias)?

sprinkle in
Amid all this, Obama reunited with his late father's communist tribe in Kenya, the Luo, during trips to Africa.
Huh? I have forebearers who took up arms against a lawful government, pretty radical stuff. For the record, I also have many relatives who sided with said government, now happily residing in the Maritimes.

The sad thing is, there may be a legitimate issue here, or in this editorials brothers from across the political spectrum.

I just won't be able to hear what they want to say, given the repugnant way that it is said.
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