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NSAS · #1 Post by **NSAS** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:04 pm

If cats grow wings and learn to fly, squirrels are doomed.

Kinda makes you wonder what's in the pet food.

Gimme A Squiggly · #2 Post by **Gimme A Squiggly** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:09 pm

NSAS wrote:If cats grow wings and learn to fly, squirrels are doomed.

Kinda makes you wonder what's in the pet food.

Not again!!! What are those ^#@(@ Chinese putting in there now!?!?!?

etaoin22 · #3 Post by **etaoin22** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:19 pm

NSAS wrote:If cats grow wings and learn to fly, squirrels are doomed.

Kinda makes you wonder what's in the pet food.

RED BULL!!!

ulysses5019 · #4 Post by **ulysses5019** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:41 pm

etaoin22 wrote:
NSAS wrote:If cats grow wings and learn to fly, squirrels are doomed.

Kinda makes you wonder what's in the pet food.
RED BULL!!!

Is there a Red Hawk drink?

tanstaafl2 · #5 Post by **tanstaafl2** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:07 pm

Must be a genetic anomaly of some sort as calico's are almost always female. Of course if you breed enough of them you are bound to get a few male cats I suppose.

Possibly a cat version of Klinefelter's syndrome which may also predispose the cat to other genetic abnormalities.

Like "wings"...

rayxtwo · #6 Post by **rayxtwo** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:16 pm

I always knew pig would fly before the Cubs woud win the World Series, but think about cats.

Ray

Bob Juch · #7 Post by **Bob Juch** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:38 pm

tanstaafl2 wrote:Must be a genetic anomaly of some sort as calico's are almost always female. Of course if you breed enough of them you are bound to get a few male cats I suppose.

Possibly a cat version of Klinefelter's syndrome which may also predispose the cat to other genetic abnormalities.

Like "wings"...

Calicos are always femaile. That's not a calico.

Here's Fanny! · #8 Post by **Here's Fanny!** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:04 pm

Bob Juch wrote:
tanstaafl2 wrote:Must be a genetic anomaly of some sort as calico's are almost always female. Of course if you breed enough of them you are bound to get a few male cats I suppose.

Possibly a cat version of Klinefelter's syndrome which may also predispose the cat to other genetic abnormalities.

Like "wings"...
Calicos are always femaile. That's not a calico.

This is not correct. The male calico is rare and a genetic freak, but it happens. They just have two X chromosomes (similar to what Snoopy refers to with his Klinefelter's reference).

Bob Juch · #9 Post by **Bob Juch** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:51 pm

Here's Fanny! wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
tanstaafl2 wrote:Must be a genetic anomaly of some sort as calico's are almost always female. Of course if you breed enough of them you are bound to get a few male cats I suppose.

Possibly a cat version of Klinefelter's syndrome which may also predispose the cat to other genetic abnormalities.

Like "wings"...
Calicos are always femaile. That's not a calico.
This is not correct. The male calico is rare and a genetic freak, but it happens. They just have two X chromosomes (similar to what Snoopy refers to with his Klinefelter's reference).

OK, I checked that and yes, it's a genetic freak. That's still not a calico cat.

cindy.wellman · #10 Post by **cindy.wellman** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:34 pm

Bob Juch wrote:
Here's Fanny! wrote:
Bob Juch wrote: Calicos are always femaile. That's not a calico.
This is not correct. The male calico is rare and a genetic freak, but it happens. They just have two X chromosomes (similar to what Snoopy refers to with his Klinefelter's reference).
OK, I checked that and yes, it's a genetic freak. That's still not a calico cat.

OK, this is odd. I think we might be linking two threads. Check out this definition from Wikipedia. (yeah, I know)

Tortoiseshell and Calico
This cat is also known as a Calimanco cat or Clouded Tiger cat, and by the nickname "tortie." In the cat fancy, a tortoiseshell cat is randomly patched over with red (or its dilute form, cream) and black (or its dilute blue) mottled throughout the coat. Additionally, the cat may have white spots in its fur, which make it a "tortoiseshell and white" cat or, if there is a significant amount of white in the fur and the red and black colors form a patchwork rather than a mottled aspect, the cat will be called a "calico." All calicos are tortoiseshell (as they carry both black and red), but not all tortoiseshells are calicos (which requires a significant amount of white in the fur and patching rather than mottling of the colors). The calico is also sometimes called a "tricolor cat." The Japanese refer to this pattern as mi-ke (meaning "triple fur"), while the Dutch call these cats lapjeskat (meaning "patches cat"). A true tricolor must consist of three colors: a reddish color, dark or light; white; and one other color, typically a brown, black or blue.[59] Both tortoiseshell and calico cats are typically female because the coat pattern is the result of differential X chromosome inactivation in females (which, as with all normal female mammals, have two X chromosomes). Conversely, cats where the overall color is ginger (orange) are commonly male (roughly in a 3:1 ratio). In a litter sired by a ginger tom, the females will be tortoiseshell or ginger. Male tortoiseshells can occur as a result of chromosomal abnormalities (often linked to sterility) or by a phenomenon known as chimericism, where two early stage embryos are merged into a single kitten.

admanvii · #11 Post by **admanvii** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:57 pm

Male tortoiseshells can occur as a result of chromosomal abnormalities (often linked to sterility)

Egad I hope my tortise shell never goes sterile......Viva Viagra

Four Hour Stiffy · #12 Post by **Four Hour Stiffy** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:45 am

admanvii wrote:Male tortoiseshells can occur as a result of chromosomal abnormalities (often linked to sterility)

Egad I hope my tortise shell never goes sterile......Viva Viagra

I'm surpised you can dance around like that without poking your eye out.....

Here's Fanny! · #13 Post by **Here's Fanny!** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:24 am

cindy.wellman wrote:OK, this is odd. I think we might be linking two threads. Check out this definition from Wikipedia. (yeah, I know)

Whoever wrote that entry is a little confused on some things and over explanatory on others. I think maybe they translated it from somewhere and some things didn't convert.

A true calico is white, black and orange, with the black and orange in blocks of colour. This is demonstrated for us here by our lovely model, Chloe:

A tortoiseshell can be variations of those colours (cream, brown, etc.) and is mottled or swirled rather than patches. Representin' for all the torties out there is the ever charming Fantine.

The easiest and most basic way to explain the gene thing is that the genetic code for black and orange are only carried on the X chromosome. So in order to have both colours present, there must be two X chromosomes present. In the vast majority of cases those are the only chromosomes present hence, female. But the Y chromosome doesn't have to absent, there just has to be two Xs. In which case you get the XXY male.

The many variations of chromosome grouping (X, XXY, XYY, etc) can be really fascinating. I started studying genetics years ago because I have an unusual eye colour and ended up learning a lot about chromosomes and things like Klinefelter's and Turner Syndromes in the process.

When BobJuch says 'that is not a calico cat' a few times, I'm assuming he's talking about the cat in the article. I can't give my opinion on that as I don't look at pictures of deformed by design animals.

minimetoo26 · #14 Post by **minimetoo26** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:32 am

Gimme A Squiggly wrote:
NSAS wrote:If cats grow wings and learn to fly, squirrels are doomed.

Kinda makes you wonder what's in the pet food.

Not again!!! What are those ^#@(@ Chinese putting in there now!?!?!?

I thought we used to joke about them putting the cats in the human food...

So, fanny--does Fantine have the "rusty meow"? All the tortoiseshells in our family sound like they need to be oiled.

Here's Fanny! · #15 Post by **Here's Fanny!** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:35 am

minimetoo26 wrote:
Gimme A Squiggly wrote:
NSAS wrote:If cats grow wings and learn to fly, squirrels are doomed.

Kinda makes you wonder what's in the pet food.

Not again!!! What are those ^#@(@ Chinese putting in there now!?!?!?
I thought we used to joke about them putting the cats in the human food...

So, fanny--does Fantine have the "rusty meow"? All the tortoiseshells in our family sound like they need to be oiled.

I really don't know, she very seldom ever meows. I will sometimes get a disgruntled sound of disapproval when I make her move her bahonka when she'd rather not (which is pretty much always), but that's about it. Her motor runs 24/7 though.

Chloe hardly makes a peep, either. An occasional abrupt little mew from her is about it. Again, a very active motor.

Cecilia (the grey tiger), on the other hand, I can't get to shut up.

So maybe there is something to that which is related to genes. Yay, I now have a new subject that I need to read about. Maybe I'll drag out all those Cat Fancy magazines that I've saved for no apparent purpose over the years.

christie1111 · #16 Post by **christie1111** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:38 am

Chloe and Fantine are lovely cats! Great picture of Chloe!

Are your eyes the same color? I was wondering what color would be unusual enough to interest you in genetics. Someone who used to work here had very changable eyes. Blue/gray that would easily pick up the color of what she was wearing.

Fluffy · #17 Post by **Fluffy** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:38 am

Here's Fanny! wrote:
cindy.wellman wrote:OK, this is odd. I think we might be linking two threads. Check out this definition from Wikipedia. (yeah, I know)
Whoever wrote that entry is a little confused on some things and over explanatory on others. I think maybe they translated it from somewhere and some things didn't convert.

A true calico is white, black and orange, with the black and orange in blocks of colour. This is demonstrated for us here by our lovely model, Chloe:

A tortoiseshell can be variations of those colours (cream, brown, etc.) and is mottled or swirled rather than patches. Representin' for all the torties out there is the ever charming Fantine.

As another proud torty (Hey, I didn't realize we had our own group... cool!), I recall having several kittens that looked like the one shown up above, including one that actually stuck around a while that Beast's sisters named Patches. Patches was a she....

I love the genetics lesson. You probably coulda learned a lot from me back in the day....

Mini the Ignorant Slut · #18 Post by **Mini the Ignorant Slut** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:41 am

Oh, Fluffy--you're the REAL slut around here....

ShitSandwich · #19 Post by **ShitSandwich** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:47 am

Mini the Ignorant Slut wrote:Oh, Fluffy--you're the REAL slut around here....

Gotta love a pussy that's open 24/7.....

Here's Fanny! · #20 Post by **Here's Fanny!** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:55 am

christie1111 wrote:Chloe and Fantine are lovely cats! Great picture of Chloe!

Are your eyes the same color? I was wondering what color would be unusual enough to interest you in genetics. Someone who used to work here had very changable eyes. Blue/gray that would easily pick up the color of what she was wearing.

My eyes are yellow. Not glowing demon yellow, more amber. My grandma used to call them cat eyes. They are not hazel, but I usually put down hazel for eye colour because that's the closest default. Someone told me that only Italians and mulattos could have yellow eyes, which seemed odd. So I started reading up on the subject (this was pre-internet so I actually had to check out books from the library and everything. Wow!)

Back when I wore contacts, I had two different coloured eyes. They used to put a light blue coating on the left one to tell them apart. In most people it wouldn't change their eye colour, but with mine it turned my left eye green (blue plus yellow equals green!).

You can ask Luuucy about this. She was fascinated and inspected them at close range. Well, as far as she could bend down, anyway. Ha!

cindy.wellman · #21 Post by **cindy.wellman** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:18 pm

Here's Fanny! wrote:
christie1111 wrote:Chloe and Fantine are lovely cats! Great picture of Chloe!

Are your eyes the same color? I was wondering what color would be unusual enough to interest you in genetics. Someone who used to work here had very changable eyes. Blue/gray that would easily pick up the color of what she was wearing.
My eyes are yellow. Not glowing demon yellow, more amber. My grandma used to call them cat eyes. They are not hazel, but I usually put down hazel for eye colour because that's the closest default. Someone told me that only Italians and mulattos could have yellow eyes, which seemed odd. So I started reading up on the subject (this was pre-internet so I actually had to check out books from the library and everything. Wow!)

Back when I wore contacts, I had two different coloured eyes. They used to put a light blue coating on the left one to tell them apart. In most people it wouldn't change their eye colour, but with mine it turned my left eye green (blue plus yellow equals green!).

You can ask Luuucy about this. She was fascinated and inspected them at close range. Well, as far as she could bend down, anyway. Ha!

I still am fascinated!

Here's Fanny! · #22 Post by **Here's Fanny!** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:57 pm

cindy.wellman wrote:
Here's Fanny! wrote:You can ask Luuucy about this. She was fascinated and inspected them at close range. Well, as far as she could bend down, anyway. Ha!

I still am fascinated!

Still? They're not THAT fascinating.

That must be why I love you so.....

Here's Fanny! · #23 Post by **Here's Fanny!** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:58 pm

Fluffy wrote:As another proud torty (Hey, I didn't realize we had our own group... cool!), I recall having several kittens that looked like the one shown up above, including one that actually stuck around a while that Beast's sisters named Patches. Patches was a she....

I love the genetics lesson. You probably coulda learned a lot from me back in the day....

9 out of 10 calicos are either named Patches or Callie/y. It's the "Snowball Law".

Alice Cooper's daughter is also named Calico. I don't know if it's for the cat or the fabric. Or if calls her Callie.

kayrharris · #24 Post by **kayrharris** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:18 pm

Yep, my MIL had a calico named Callie - not sure how she spelled 'cause I don't think I ever saw it in writing.

secondchance · #25 Post by **secondchance** » Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:22 pm

cindy.wellman wrote:or by a phenomenon known as chimericism, where two early stage embryos are merged into a single kitten

Sheesh -that word again, within 24 hours! What are the odds?

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