Are some Chimps smarter than some humans
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themanintheseersuckersuit
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Are some Chimps smarter than some humans
Nim Chimpsky was born in Norman OK and then he went to NYC for his own special kind of hell.
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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silvercamaro
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Thank God, Roger Fouts managed to get Washoe out of Oklahoma and safely to Washington State with him. (Fouts had refused to sign over "ownership" for the first chimp to learn ASL.)
Lemmon was an SOB. He deserves to burn in hell for what he did to all the other chimps, which was far worse than anything mentioned in this story.
Not that I have a strong opinion about it or anything.
Lemmon was an SOB. He deserves to burn in hell for what he did to all the other chimps, which was far worse than anything mentioned in this story.
Not that I have a strong opinion about it or anything.
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themanintheseersuckersuit
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So I guess smart/less smart is not the pertinent question, its "are some more evil that than others", and sadly we've known the answer to that since before writing was invented.silvercamaro wrote:Thank God, Roger Fouts managed to get Washoe out of Oklahoma and safely to Washington State with him. (Fouts had refused to sign over "ownership" for the first chimp to learn ASL.)
Lemmon was an SOB. He deserves to burn in hell for what he did to all the other chimps, which was far worse than anything mentioned in this story.
Not that I have a strong opinion about it or anything.
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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silvercamaro
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I can answer the question, however, having spent some time at the Primate Farm when it was still a good place to be. There is no question that some chimpanzees are smarter than some humans. Chimpanzees, like humans, demonstrate a range of intelligence and special skills. Furthermore, some chimpanzees are more human than the humanity demonstrated by some of the lesser hairless apes.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
So I guess smart/less smart is not the pertinent question, its "are some more evil that than others", and sadly we've known the answer to that since before writing was invented.
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mrkelley23
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If you haven't read it, the original "Jerry Was a Man" is still powerful, although dated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Was_a_Man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Was_a_Man
For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled. -- Richard Feynman
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Bob Juch
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I read the original story as well as viewed the ABC show. We're going to have to deal with that issue sometime soon.mrkelley23 wrote:If you haven't read it, the original "Jerry Was a Man" is still powerful, although dated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Was_a_Man
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
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Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.