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Senator Clinton will be giving her Election Night speech from New York tomorrow, not South Dakota or Montana. Her on-the-ground staff have been invited to intend, or to stand by for further instructions. --Bob

It'll soon be here.

Yesterday's gone. Yesterday's gone.

Don't speak too soon. The following is from the riverdaughter blog. Take it for what it's worth; we only have until tomorrow to wait.

Ready to Rumble?
Posted on June 2, 2008 by bostonboomer

For the past two days the Obamicans have been pushing the rumor that Hillary Clinton will concede the nomination on Tuesday night in New York.

Just a short time ago Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee went to the back of the campaign plane to talk to reporters. According to ABC news, Elleithee said that’s not gonna happen. It looks like Hillary is ready to rumble!

“I think its pretty clear that she is not conceding.” Elleithee said, “I think its pretty clear that she is staying in this race. She is going, in the coming days, to be aggressively courting uncommitted superdelegates aggressively courting unpledged delegates, making the case to them that she is a candidate best ready to take on John McCain.”

When asked directly when Clinton will step aside, Elietthee told reporters, “as she has said dozens and dozens of times she is in this race until we have a nominee…Until there is a nominee she is going to try to win support.”

He continued “until there is a nominee we are going to still work to become that nominee. When asked when they would determine a nominee would be selected –- because the Clinton campaign has refused to accept fully the 2,118 number –- Elleithee said, “we’re exploring — she has said before she wants to have this to be resolved before the convention — we are reviewing our options.”

Jake Tapper is also reporting that Hillary has refused to accept the new “magic number” of 2118. He sends this message to Obamicans:

All of which is to say - Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, may reach 2,118 this week, but Clinton may assert that doesn’t mean anything.

Fasten your seatbelts.

I’m not surprised. Hillary is everything I’ve always wanted in a political candidate. She’s tough as nails and she knows her stuff! If you’re feeling generous, please donate what you can to support her campaign.

Meanwhile, a new ARG poll puts Clinton 26 pts ahead in South Dakota, within the margin of error in Montana. If ANYbody sets great store by polls at this point. But again, not much longer to wait.

Of course, you could certainly be right that she will give some sort of "concession speech" Tuesday nite. If she does, it will be a "suspending my campaign" speech, since that's what they all do. As a wise man once said, there are always possibilities.

I would like to see Hillary kick Obama's ass in Montana and South Dakota!

Go Hillary!!!!!

Barack needs 41 more delegates to get the nomination. He will probably get a maximum of 20 pledge delegates from tonight's votes in MT and SD. Unless there are a flood of supers ready to endorse before the end of the night, Hillary will more than likely suspend her campaign.

By the end of this week, enough supers will speak up to assure that Barack will officially be the nominee.

Either way, it's on to November. I'm 100% confident that either Barack or Hillary will be the next president. Current polls indicate that both have the required 270 electoral votes. They both might lose Michigan (17 EVs), but that's irrelevant as both beat McCain in New Mexico and Ohio (25 EVs total). For Barack, you can add Colorado and Iowa (16 EVs total). For Hillary, you can add Florida (27 EVs). As the campaign starts focusing more on exposing John McBush's flip-flops, hypocrisies, and dangerous policies, more states such as Missouri and Nevada will tip over.

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:Barack needs 41 more delegates to get the nomination. He will probably get a maximum of 20 pledge delegates from tonight's votes in MT and SD. Unless there are a flood of supers ready to endorse before the end of the night, Hillary will more than likely suspend her campaign.

By the end of this week, enough supers will speak up to assure that Barack will officially be the nominee.

Either way, it's on to November. I'm 100% confident that either Barack or Hillary will be the next president. Current polls indicate that both have the required 270 electoral votes. They both might lose Michigan (17 EVs), but that's irrelevant as both beat McCain in New Mexico and Ohio (25 EVs total). For Barack, you can add Colorado and Iowa (16 EVs total). For Hillary, you can add Florida (27 EVs). As the campaign starts focusing more on exposing John McBush's flip-flops, hypocrisies, and dangerous policies, more states such as Missouri and Nevada will tip over.

Since the superdelegates are free to change their votes at any time, I suspect that Clinton will be putting the full-court press on as many as she can, even those who have pledged to Obama. This is going to be an ugly fight, all the way to the convention. And history shows that such ugly conventions rarely work out well - see Ford 1976; Carter 1980.

That's why I would not want to bet on the Democratic candidate (whoever it ends up being) winning in November. There is enough hostility between the two camps (as has been seen here, for instance) to make me believe that despite attempts at conciliation, those who support the loser will sit on their hands rather than vote, even though there are crucial issues at stake - not just the economy and the war, but the possibility of nominating justices to the USSC.

Well, Clinton just got one more superdelegate here: Irene Stein, the Chairwoman of the Tompkins County Democratic Party.

Despite losing the New York primary, Obama won Tompkins County — 7,283 to 5,004 — in February and Stein acknowledged that in her memo.

“Our county voted by a strong majority for Barack Obama in the Democratic primary,” Stein said. “On the other hand, the New York State Democratic Committee, who elected me to my position, seems to be overwhelmingly for Sen. Clinton, as is our state's delegation to the convention.”

It's a tough choice for a party leader, supporting the will of your local party members or standing united with the rest of the party leadership.

“The majority of Democrats in Tompkins County voted for Obama and that weighs very, very heavily with me because I am a county (Democratic party) chair,” she said. “What I said to myself was, ‘Look, your job, Irene Stein, as a superdelegate is to make the best decision you can for our party and our country. And that means you have to put aside how this is going to affect you personally.'

It may be over tomorrow, but unfortunately the 2012 capaigning should be just about ready to start....

Oh wait, I thought you meant the whole election would be over tomorrow. Dang....

lb13

littlebeast13 wrote:It may be over tomorrow, but unfortunately the 2012 capaigning should be just about ready to start....

Oh wait, I thought you meant the whole election would be over tomorrow. Dang....

lb13

No shit. I'm over all this. And I'm one of those voter types who gets into this kinda stuff.

It's just been too tedious to bear lately. But I'm not ready to join you in the League of Apathetic Non-Voters!

minimetoo26 wrote:

littlebeast13 wrote:It may be over tomorrow, but unfortunately the 2012 capaigning should be just about ready to start....

Oh wait, I thought you meant the whole election would be over tomorrow. Dang....

lb13

No shit. I'm over all this. And I'm one of those voter types who gets into this kinda stuff.

It's just been too tedious to bear lately. But I'm not ready to join you in the League of Apathetic Non-Voters!

Thank you for your interest, though by the very fact that you're interested in joining our party, you are violating the party rules....

Either way, your yearly dues of $1,000 are now due....

National Apathy Party wrote:

minimetoo26 wrote:

littlebeast13 wrote:It may be over tomorrow, but unfortunately the 2012 capaigning should be just about ready to start....

Oh wait, I thought you meant the whole election would be over tomorrow. Dang....

lb13

No shit. I'm over all this. And I'm one of those voter types who gets into this kinda stuff.

It's just been too tedious to bear lately. But I'm not ready to join you in the League of Apathetic Non-Voters!

Thank you for your interest, though by the very fact that you're interested in joining our party, you are violating the party rules....

Either way, your yearly dues of $1,000 are now due....

Okay, that avatar wins. At everything. That gets my vote!

minimetoo26 wrote:

National Apathy Party wrote:

minimetoo26 wrote: No shit. I'm over all this. And I'm one of those voter types who gets into this kinda stuff.

It's just been too tedious to bear lately. But I'm not ready to join you in the League of Apathetic Non-Voters!

Thank you for your interest, though by the very fact that you're interested in joining our party, you are violating the party rules....

Either way, your yearly dues of $1,000 are now due....

Okay, that avatar wins. At everything. That gets my vote!

Uly will have to one-up it now....

And I don't doubt that he will....

lb13

littlebeast13 wrote:

minimetoo26 wrote:

National Apathy Party wrote:
Thank you for your interest, though by the very fact that you're interested in joining our party, you are violating the party rules....

Either way, your yearly dues of $1,000 are now due....

Okay, that avatar wins. At everything. That gets my vote!

Uly will have to one-up it now....

And I don't doubt that he will....

lb13

How can you top Gary Coleman in a cheesy sweater with stylized 70's font saying something rude, yet apt?

I'd love to see him try, though....

He's also good in Avenue Q.

littlebeast13 wrote:

minimetoo26 wrote:

National Apathy Party wrote:
Thank you for your interest, though by the very fact that you're interested in joining our party, you are violating the party rules....

Either way, your yearly dues of $1,000 are now due....

Okay, that avatar wins. At everything. That gets my vote!

Uly will have to one-up it now....

And I don't doubt that he will....

lb13

Ok.......the gauntlet has been cast.......um......I don't care.

earendel wrote:Since the superdelegates are free to change their votes at any time, I suspect that Clinton will be putting the full-court press on as many as she can, even those who have pledged to Obama. This is going to be an ugly fight, all the way to the convention. And history shows that such ugly conventions rarely work out well - see Ford 1976; Carter 1980.

That's why I would not want to bet on the Democratic candidate (whoever it ends up being) winning in November. There is enough hostility between the two camps (as has been seen here, for instance) to make me believe that despite attempts at conciliation, those who support the loser will sit on their hands rather than vote, even though there are crucial issues at stake - not just the economy and the war, but the possibility of nominating justices to the USSC.

Yes, there are a lot of angry and bitter Democratic voters spinning around on their backs in the parking lot of Wal-Mart that they didn't get their way. It really is sad that they care more about themselves than their country. They can say "I'm voting for McCain to send a message to ______" all they want, but the only message that sends is "I'm betraying America by voting for a third term of George W. Bush".

There is a lot of time between now and November. A lot of time for Democrats to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, dry up their tears, and get over themselves.

That's not being condescending. That's being truthful. And this election is indeed about one thing: the Supreme Court. John Paul Stevens has been on the bench for 150 years. He has served our country well. Be he knows that he's ready to pack it up. Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Anthony Kennedy are getting up there in years as well. We cannot afford to let McBush appoint to the SCOTUS 1-3 new Scalia-style activist judges legislating from the bench.

My blood pressure cannot stabilize soon enough.

littlebeast13 wrote:

minimetoo26 wrote:

National Apathy Party wrote:
Thank you for your interest, though by the very fact that you're interested in joining our party, you are violating the party rules....

Either way, your yearly dues of $1,000 are now due....

Okay, that avatar wins. At everything. That gets my vote!

Uly will have to one-up it now....

And I don't doubt that he will....

lb13

I'm not apathetic, but someone's gonna get a Louisville Slugger upside the head.

ulysses5019 wrote:

littlebeast13 wrote:

minimetoo26 wrote: Okay, that avatar wins. At everything. That gets my vote!

Uly will have to one-up it now....

And I don't doubt that he will....

lb13

I'm not apathetic, but someone's gonna get a Louisville Slugger upside the head.

Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Willis?

National Apathy Party wrote:

ulysses5019 wrote:

littlebeast13 wrote:
Uly will have to one-up it now....

And I don't doubt that he will....

lb13

I'm not apathetic, but someone's gonna get a Louisville Slugger upside the head.

Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Willis?

If it's Dontrelle, then it's a high hard one at your chin. On second thought let me see how he pitched to Eddie Gaedel.

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:

earendel wrote:Since the superdelegates are free to change their votes at any time, I suspect that Clinton will be putting the full-court press on as many as she can, even those who have pledged to Obama. This is going to be an ugly fight, all the way to the convention. And history shows that such ugly conventions rarely work out well - see Ford 1976; Carter 1980.

That's why I would not want to bet on the Democratic candidate (whoever it ends up being) winning in November. There is enough hostility between the two camps (as has been seen here, for instance) to make me believe that despite attempts at conciliation, those who support the loser will sit on their hands rather than vote, even though there are crucial issues at stake - not just the economy and the war, but the possibility of nominating justices to the USSC.

Yes, there are a lot of angry and bitter Democratic voters spinning around on their backs in the parking lot of Wal-Mart that they didn't get their way. It really is sad that they care more about themselves than their country. They can say "I'm voting for McCain to send a message to ______" all they want, but the only message that sends is "I'm betraying America by voting for a third term of George W. Bush".

There is a lot of time between now and November. A lot of time for Democrats to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, dry up their tears, and get over themselves.

That's not being condescending. That's being truthful. And this election is indeed about one thing: the Supreme Court. John Paul Stevens has been on the bench for 150 years. He has served our country well. Be he knows that he's ready to pack it up. Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Anthony Kennedy are getting up there in years as well. We cannot afford to let McBush appoint to the SCOTUS 1-3 new Scalia-style activist judges legislating from the bench.

My blood pressure cannot stabilize soon enough.

I have a lot of issues with McCain, but you are not paying attention if you think he is just another Dubya.

Weyoun wrote:

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:

earendel wrote:Since the superdelegates are free to change their votes at any time, I suspect that Clinton will be putting the full-court press on as many as she can, even those who have pledged to Obama. This is going to be an ugly fight, all the way to the convention. And history shows that such ugly conventions rarely work out well - see Ford 1976; Carter 1980.

That's why I would not want to bet on the Democratic candidate (whoever it ends up being) winning in November. There is enough hostility between the two camps (as has been seen here, for instance) to make me believe that despite attempts at conciliation, those who support the loser will sit on their hands rather than vote, even though there are crucial issues at stake - not just the economy and the war, but the possibility of nominating justices to the USSC.

Yes, there are a lot of angry and bitter Democratic voters spinning around on their backs in the parking lot of Wal-Mart that they didn't get their way. It really is sad that they care more about themselves than their country. They can say "I'm voting for McCain to send a message to ______" all they want, but the only message that sends is "I'm betraying America by voting for a third term of George W. Bush".

There is a lot of time between now and November. A lot of time for Democrats to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, dry up their tears, and get over themselves.

That's not being condescending. That's being truthful. And this election is indeed about one thing: the Supreme Court. John Paul Stevens has been on the bench for 150 years. He has served our country well. Be he knows that he's ready to pack it up. Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Anthony Kennedy are getting up there in years as well. We cannot afford to let McBush appoint to the SCOTUS 1-3 new Scalia-style activist judges legislating from the bench.

My blood pressure cannot stabilize soon enough.

I have a lot of issues with McCain, but you are not paying attention if you think he is just another Dubya.

True; he's worse.

The AP is now reporting that Clinton will announce tonight that Obama has enough delegates to clinch the nomination but will stop short of formally ending her candidacy. She will continue to speak out about issues but her staff will be laid off effective June 15.

hf_jai wrote:
Meanwhile, a new ARG poll puts Clinton 26 pts ahead in South Dakota, within the margin of error in Montana. If ANYbody sets great store by polls at this point. But again, not much longer to wait.
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That's odd-- last I heard, Hillary's own polls were showing that Obama would win South Dakota, although it could be close. If polls are this disparate-- one showing that Obama will win narrowly, the other showing that Hillary would win in a landslide-- it's just that much more fuel for the 'screw the polls' fire.

I think Hillary's biggest problems have been her shrillness (literally-- when she tries to get the crowd revved up, her voice does not really get louder or more forceful, it gets shrill, which unfortunately reinforces some perceptions of her) and the bumblebee outfit (the yellow suit that she uses sometimes). If she could have dumped both of those items (and maybe Bill...) she'd probably have sewed it up long ago.

Bob Juch wrote:

Weyoun wrote:

NellyLunatic1980 wrote: Yes, there are a lot of angry and bitter Democratic voters spinning around on their backs in the parking lot of Wal-Mart that they didn't get their way. It really is sad that they care more about themselves than their country. They can say "I'm voting for McCain to send a message to ______" all they want, but the only message that sends is "I'm betraying America by voting for a third term of George W. Bush".

There is a lot of time between now and November. A lot of time for Democrats to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, dry up their tears, and get over themselves.

That's not being condescending. That's being truthful. And this election is indeed about one thing: the Supreme Court. John Paul Stevens has been on the bench for 150 years. He has served our country well. Be he knows that he's ready to pack it up. Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Anthony Kennedy are getting up there in years as well. We cannot afford to let McBush appoint to the SCOTUS 1-3 new Scalia-style activist judges legislating from the bench.

My blood pressure cannot stabilize soon enough.

I have a lot of issues with McCain, but you are not paying attention if you think he is just another Dubya.

True; he's worse.

Yes, for fans of a small government, he actually is. Too bad Obama is even more of a disaster waiting to happen in that department.