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My wife and I got into a rather heated discussion about the controversy involving Jason Aldean's song "Try That In a Small Town" which is currently topping the country music charts. If you are not familiar, here is the song and video in question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1_RKu-ESCY

Aldean's video was recorded in front of a courthouse that was the site of one of the most horrific lynchings in history in 1927 which a 17 year-old boy was kidnapped from his cell, tied to the back of a car and dragged across town and hanged. The song's lyrics invoke images of people taking the law into their own hands, while the video intercuts from Aldean's performance to news footage mostly of rioting that erupted from BLM protests.

I am appalled that the attitudes Aldean espouses are not only accepted but applauded by segments of people, especially here in the South. My wife sees nothing wrong with the song or video saying that Aldean does not mention race in the song, and that using the courthouse as a back drop was an artistic not a political choice. To be fair, the courthouse has been used a number of times in country music videos, although not connected to such politically charged songs.

I'm guessing that I can already write the responses of most people here, but I am asking anyway - what is your take on this?

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:54 pm

My wife and I got into a rather heated discussion about the controversy involving Jason Aldean's song "Try That In a Small Town" which is currently topping the country music charts. If you are not familiar, here is the song and video in question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1_RKu-ESCY

Aldean's video was recorded in front of a courthouse that was the site of one of the most horrific lynchings in history in 1927 which a 17 year-old boy was kidnapped from his cell, tied to the back of a car and dragged across town and hanged. The song's lyrics invoke images of people taking the law into their own hands, while the video intercuts from Aldean's performance to news footage mostly of rioting that erupted from BLM protests.

I am appalled that the attitudes Aldean espouses are not only accepted but applauded by segments of people, especially here in the South. My wife sees nothing wrong with the song or video saying that Aldean does not mention race in the song, and that using the courthouse as a back drop was an artistic not a political choice. To be fair, the courthouse has been used a number of times in country music videos, although not connected to such politically charged songs.

I'm guessing that I can already write the responses of most people here, but I am asking anyway - what is your take on this?

Your wife seems to be a sensible person. You need to listen to her more.
There is nothing objectionable in that song or the video. In fact, it is extremely praiseworthy. What? Are you supporting the violent protests, and want them to go everywhere? Are you supporting killing people and destroying property anytime something happens you don't agree with? Do you think that is going to change anything for the better? Aldean is saying that people in small towns look after each other and have each other's backs, and if you want to start this kind of trouble in their town, they will not stand back and just let you do it. Anything you deem objectionable has been added by YOU and the narrative you cling to.

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:54 pm

My wife and I got into a rather heated discussion about the controversy involving Jason Aldean's song "Try That In a Small Town" which is currently topping the country music charts. If you are not familiar, here is the song and video in question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1_RKu-ESCY

Aldean's video was recorded in front of a courthouse that was the site of one of the most horrific lynchings in history in 1927 which a 17 year-old boy was kidnapped from his cell, tied to the back of a car and dragged across town and hanged. The song's lyrics invoke images of people taking the law into their own hands, while the video intercuts from Aldean's performance to news footage mostly of rioting that erupted from BLM protests.

I am appalled that the attitudes Aldean espouses are not only accepted but applauded by segments of people, especially here in the South. My wife sees nothing wrong with the song or video saying that Aldean does not mention race in the song, and that using the courthouse as a back drop was an artistic not a political choice. To be fair, the courthouse has been used a number of times in country music videos, although not connected to such politically charged songs.

I'm guessing that I can already write the responses of most people here, but I am asking anyway - what is your take on this?

Exactly which lyrics are "politically charged" in your estimation?
The video footage of criminal behavior is actual news footage of the "mostly peaceful protests." I'd say any racism in the song/video is the the heart of the beholder.

DUP

tlynn78 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:42 pm

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:54 pm

My wife and I got into a rather heated discussion about the controversy involving Jason Aldean's song "Try That In a Small Town" which is currently topping the country music charts. If you are not familiar, here is the song and video in question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1_RKu-ESCY

Aldean's video was recorded in front of a courthouse that was the site of one of the most horrific lynchings in history in 1927 which a 17 year-old boy was kidnapped from his cell, tied to the back of a car and dragged across town and hanged. The song's lyrics invoke images of people taking the law into their own hands, while the video intercuts from Aldean's performance to news footage mostly of rioting that erupted from BLM protests.

I am appalled that the attitudes Aldean espouses are not only accepted but applauded by segments of people, especially here in the South. My wife sees nothing wrong with the song or video saying that Aldean does not mention race in the song, and that using the courthouse as a back drop was an artistic not a political choice. To be fair, the courthouse has been used a number of times in country music videos, although not connected to such politically charged songs.

I'm guessing that I can already write the responses of most people here, but I am asking anyway - what is your take on this?

Exactly which lyrics are "politically charged" in your estimation?
The video footage of criminal behavior is actual news footage of the "mostly peaceful protests." I'd say any racism in the song/video is the the heart of the beholder.

This kind of thing more and more convinces me that some people consider their politics as their religion. And they consider anyone who doesn't agree with their political views as heretics. And we are heading towards a political 'Spanish Inquisition'.

I love the song and the message it sends. I compare it to Toby Keith's Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue (The Angry American). Baically is shows the anger and frustration good Americans feel seeing crimes being committed without any consequences. The message is "there will be consequences here". If that offends some folks, tough. It's truth. Personally I think Soros and his ilk want to see, in fact are trying to force the need for vigilanteism, so there can be a movement to further restrict our freedoms to protect our poperty and ourselves. To what end? I don't know, as he's an old old man and would never see or benefit from the outcome, but maybe he wants to go to his grave knowing he played a big part in the authoritarian governemnt he helped create. He is evil.

Regarding the courthouse, no message was intended other than the singer supports law and order. I doubt Aldean was familiar with the history of the courthouse just as you weren't until someone brought it up. I'll ask you if you are aware of all the good things that happened in that courthouse, all the times justice was served on behalf of peopel, including people of color?

I found a REAL objectionable piece! Racist, sexist, transphobic and almost everything else that is bad. Just look at it and judge for yourself how many lines it crosses and how many groups of people it marginalizes and degrades. It probably disenfranchises a whole lot of underprivileged and people too!

https://youtu.be/Cj8n4MfhjUc

I see both sides of this, which is why my politics remain very mixed.

I don’t think Jason Aldean meant to the film where he filmed it with a specifically racial undertone.

However, of course, he meant a racial undertone to all the discussion of BLM. Just because he shows primarily white rioters, you can hear the dog whistle.

I know at least one poster on this board who would love the chance to get a day to shoot a couple of black folks.

The video and lyrics also plays into the fascist fantasy that small town folks owning guns are somehow our only bulwark against dictatorship. They aren’t. You’re protecting nothing the government can’t take, but you’re making it easier for schools to get shot up, and blood is ok your hands.

At the same time, the left embarrassed themselves with their response. They excused casual property damage of folks who had nothing to do with the incendiary problem.

They also were okay with this happening during the pandemic, making the rhetoric of physicians who were enforcing social distancing all the more difficult.

And their proposed solution, getting rid of the police, was infantile and stupid, and actually made it more dangerous to live in a black neighborhood. Even though my city has difficulty recruiting policeman.

Another example of why I’m politically neutral

I know at least one poster on this board who would love the chance to get a day to shoot a couple of black folks.

I appreciate your political neutrality. However this statement rivals another's parental judgment in another thread, and is just wrong.

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:11 pm

However, of course, he meant a racial undertone to all the discussion of BLM. Just because he shows primarily white rioters, you can hear the dog whistle.

Wow. What discussion of BLM is in the song. I missed it. If you're hearing something (a whistle?) then, you must be the intended dog.

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:11 pm

I know at least one poster on this board who would love the chance to get a day to shoot a couple of black folks.

Seriously? I wonder who it is?

It's funny how the human mind works. When one projects a position on someone they don't know, it's usualy because it's a position within their own beliefs or worldview. I'm not saying you want to shoot a black person, but I certianly believe you would get a thrill up your leg at the oppourtunity to "triage" some white male conservative to the end of the line to ensure his demise.

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:11 pm

At the same time, the left embarrassed themselves with their response. They excused casual property damage of folks who had nothing to do with the incendiary problem.

I know you were busy during the pandemic, but surely your head is not that far up your ass to believe the damages done were just casual.

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:11 pm

Another example of why I’m politically neutral

That made me laugh. Thanks.

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:49 pm

I know at least one poster on this board who would love the chance to get a day to shoot a couple of black folks.

I appreciate your political neutrality. However this statement rivals another's parental judgment in another thread, and is just wrong.

I thought the same thing as I was typing my response.

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:55 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:49 pm

I know at least one poster on this board who would love the chance to get a day to shoot a couple of black folks.

I appreciate your political neutrality. However this statement rivals another's parental judgment in another thread, and is just wrong.

I thought the same thing as I was typing my response.

My point was and it is my fault that I didn't go back and clarify is that just because somebody has two daughters on the alphabet spectrum does not qualify them as morally superior and that their opinions are thus subject to special consideration.

IMO The moral superiority drips from Kroxquo on just about everything he posts. See the original post in this thread.

At least I named my call-out-Weyoun didn't.

Spock wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:06 pm

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:55 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:49 pm

I know at least one poster on this board who would love the chance to get a day to shoot a couple of black folks.

I appreciate your political neutrality. However this statement rivals another's parental judgment in another thread, and is just wrong.

I thought the same thing as I was typing my response.

My point was and it is my fault that I didn't go back and clarify is that just because somebody has two daughters on the alphabet spectrum does not qualify them as morally superior and that their opinions are thus subject to special consideration.

IMO The moral superiority drips from Kroxquo on just about everything he posts. See the original post in this thread.

At least I named my call-out-Weyoun didn't.

Weyoun's disgusting comment says volumes more about him - none of which surprises me much.

tlynn78 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:34 pm

Spock wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:06 pm

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:55 pm

I thought the same thing as I was typing my response.

My point was and it is my fault that I didn't go back and clarify is that just because somebody has two daughters on the alphabet spectrum does not qualify them as morally superior and that their opinions are thus subject to special consideration.

IMO The moral superiority drips from Kroxquo on just about everything he posts. See the original post in this thread.

At least I named my call-out-Weyoun didn't.

Weyoun's disgusting comment says volumes more about him - none of which surprises me much.

Pipe up when someone wishes death or serious illness on a poster’s child, and I’ll take what you say seriously.

Spock wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 5:06 pm

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:55 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:49 pm

I know at least one poster on this board who would love the chance to get a day to shoot a couple of black folks.

I appreciate your political neutrality. However this statement rivals another's parental judgment in another thread, and is just wrong.

I thought the same thing as I was typing my response.

My point was and it is my fault that I didn't go back and clarify is that just because somebody has two daughters on the alphabet spectrum does not qualify them as morally superior and that their opinions are thus subject to special consideration.

IMO The moral superiority drips from Kroxquo on just about everything he posts. See the original post in this thread.

At least I named my call-out-Weyoun didn't.

I have no problem stating that I was talking about you. It says quite a bit that everyone knew who I was talking about, huh?

Oh, I thought our wonderful doc was talking about me. I have been accused of pretty much everything else here.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:17 pm

Oh, I thought our wonderful doc was talking about me. I have been accused of pretty much everything else here.

I think your mind is full of too many conspiracies to have room for hate.

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 22, 2023 7:20 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:17 pm

Oh, I thought our wonderful doc was talking about me. I have been accused of pretty much everything else here.

I think your mind is full of too many conspiracies to have room for hate.

yeah. I'm part of the conspiracy that believes the song was about what it actually says.

You've revealed yourself as another prime candidate for some introspection there, doc. Hangover today?

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:03 am

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 22, 2023 7:20 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 21, 2023 9:17 pm

Oh, I thought our wonderful doc was talking about me. I have been accused of pretty much everything else here.

I think your mind is full of too many conspiracies to have room for hate.

yeah. I'm part of the conspiracy that believes the song was about what it actually says.

You've revealed yourself as another prime candidate for some introspection there, doc. Hangover today?

If the result of me drinking is posting that, what the hell must you be smoking?

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:49 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:03 am

Weyoun wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 22, 2023 7:20 am

I think your mind is full of too many conspiracies to have room for hate.

yeah. I'm part of the conspiracy that believes the song was about what it actually says.

You've revealed yourself as another prime candidate for some introspection there, doc. Hangover today?

If the result of me drinking is posting that, what the hell must you be smoking?

Look at my signature, doc. I have been accused of everything under the sun by people who consider themselves the bastions of tolerance and love. Why should I expect you to be any different?

By the way, doc. Can you give me a critique of ANY Gangsta Rap 'song'?

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 22, 2023 7:00 pm

By the way, doc. Can you give me a critique of ANY Gangsta Rap 'song'?

Great question