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He goes on to the Miss Universe pageant.

If that offends you, it is meant to. Stop erasing women.

Let me get this straight. The reason that you and all the other transphobic bigots said that it was unfair for trans women to compete in athletics was because all that testosterone and bodily structure and chemistry differences gave them an unfair advantage over "real" women. So how does an excess of male hormones give trans women an advantage in one of the few remaining competitions that measures traditional feminine attractiveness?

By the way, does this look like a man?

I guess these organizations need to codify the definition of woman in their rules.

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:10 pm

I guess these organizations need to codify the definition of woman in their rules.

Why? What's wrong with simply accepting the decisions of the judges?

Now whether traditional "beauty pageants" of this nature still have a place in our society is a whole 'nother question. --Bob

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:10 pm

I guess these organizations need to codify the definition of woman in their rules.

Just the fact this needs to be said.....

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:45 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:10 pm

I guess these organizations need to codify the definition of woman in their rules.

Why? What's wrong with simply accepting the decisions of the judges?

Now whether traditional "beauty pageants" of this nature still have a place in our society is a whole 'nother question. --Bob

They already have rules, so what's one more? And I agree re relevance.

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:45 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:10 pm

I guess these organizations need to codify the definition of woman in their rules.

Why? What's wrong with simply accepting the decisions of the judges?

Now whether traditional "beauty pageants" of this nature still have a place in our society is a whole 'nother question. --Bob

They already have rules, so what's one more? And I agree re relevance.

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:00 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:10 pm

I guess these organizations need to codify the definition of woman in their rules.

Just the fact this needs to be said.....

I'm curious. If you saw a picture of all the contestants and didn't know which one had won, would you have been able to pick out which contestants were trans and which were cis?

If not, then who cares? Of course, what's really going on is that you just can't accept the reality of transgendered people and can't help expressing your prejudice against them, even when their existence has no conceivable impact on your life. And since that's an attitude that makes life a lot harder for the transgendered and those of us who have transgendered friends and family, it's worth calling out that bigotry every time it rears its ugly head. --Bob

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:16 pm

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:00 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:10 pm

I guess these organizations need to codify the definition of woman in their rules.

Just the fact this needs to be said.....

I'm curious. If you saw a picture of all the contestants and didn't know which one had won, would you have been able to pick out which contestants were trans and which were cis?

If not, then who cares? Of course, what's really going on is that you just can't accept the reality of transgendered people and can't help expressing your prejudice against them, even when their existence has no conceivable impact on your life. And since that's an attitude that makes life a lot harder for the transgendered and those of us who have transgendered friends and family, it's worth calling out that bigotry every time it rears its ugly head. --Bob

This example is probably weak, I admit.
But, I, personally don't give 3 fucks if one is trans, gay, etc. There are situations in which it may cause disagreement.
But, I'm calling out any anti-Christian, false bigotry attributions that SOME here perpetuate. Grow up.

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:16 pm

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:00 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:10 pm

I guess these organizations need to codify the definition of woman in their rules.

Just the fact this needs to be said.....

I'm curious. If you saw a picture of all the contestants and didn't know which one had won, would you have been able to pick out which contestants were trans and which were cis?

If not, then who cares? Of course, what's really going on is that you just can't accept the reality of transgendered people and can't help expressing your prejudice against them, even when their existence has no conceivable impact on your life. And since that's an attitude that makes life a lot harder for the transgendered and those of us who have transgendered friends and family, it's worth calling out that bigotry every time it rears its ugly head. --Bob

You don't get to make up things and present them as truth, without being challenged. You just don't. You can say or type it as many time as you want, but men who consider themselves women are not women. You can call that a bigotted position, but your saying it doesn't make it so, just like a man saying he's a woman doesn't make it so. My position is truth. Period.

Do I care if a man was allowed to compete, then won, Miss Netherlands? Not really. I think it absurd. I think it absurd that otherwise intelligent people go along with this so folks like you don't call them names. Thin skinned go along to get along people. Weak people. That is what happened in Germany in the 30's. Weak people allowed falsehoods to be presented at truths, and those that disagreed were treated much like you treat me.

Do I care that a man is allowed to compete as a woman in an women's only sporting event. Yes. I have daughters and granddaughters who it affects. Do I care about men claiming to be women are our there publically with fools like yourself supporting, even celebrating them? Yes. Why? Because it is unhealthy to the mental state of our culture. Just like racism. An it needs to be called out.

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:37 pm

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:16 pm

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:00 pm

Just the fact this needs to be said.....

I'm curious. If you saw a picture of all the contestants and didn't know which one had won, would you have been able to pick out which contestants were trans and which were cis?

If not, then who cares? Of course, what's really going on is that you just can't accept the reality of transgendered people and can't help expressing your prejudice against them, even when their existence has no conceivable impact on your life. And since that's an attitude that makes life a lot harder for the transgendered and those of us who have transgendered friends and family, it's worth calling out that bigotry every time it rears its ugly head. --Bob

You don't get to make up things and present them as truth, without being challenged. You just don't. You can say or type it as many time as you want, but men who consider themselves women are not women. You can call that a bigotted position, but your saying it doesn't make it so, just like a man saying he's a woman doesn't make it so. My position is truth. Period.

Do I care if a man was allowed to compete, then won, Miss Netherlands? Not really. I think it absurd. I think it absurd that otherwise intelligent people go along with this so folks like you don't call them names. Thin skinned go along to get along people. Weak people. That is what happened in Germany in the 30's. Weak people allowed falsehoods to be presented at truths, and those that disagreed were treated much like you treat me.

Do I care that a man is allowed to compete as a woman in an women's only sporting event. Yes. I have daughters and granddaughters who it affects. Do I care about men claiming to be women are our there publically with fools like yourself supporting, even celebrating them? Yes. Why? Because it is unhealthy to the mental state of our culture. Just like racism. An it needs to be called out.

Your refusal to accept the reality of the transgendered is bigoted, and trying to clothe your bigotry in your assertion of your own private "truth" doesn't change that fact. What's unhealthy for the mental state of our culture is the insistence of people like you on refusing to accept that reality. That refusal will eventually fade into the dustbin of history, but in the meantime you and people like you will almost certainly be responsible for an awful lot of damage that will hurt real people. --Bob

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:24 pm

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:16 pm

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:00 pm

Just the fact this needs to be said.....

I'm curious. If you saw a picture of all the contestants and didn't know which one had won, would you have been able to pick out which contestants were trans and which were cis?

If not, then who cares? Of course, what's really going on is that you just can't accept the reality of transgendered people and can't help expressing your prejudice against them, even when their existence has no conceivable impact on your life. And since that's an attitude that makes life a lot harder for the transgendered and those of us who have transgendered friends and family, it's worth calling out that bigotry every time it rears its ugly head. --Bob

This example is probably weak, I admit.
But, I, personally don't give 3 fucks if one is trans, gay, etc. There are situations in which it may cause disagreement.
But, I'm calling out any anti-Christian, false bigotry attributions that SOME here perpetuate. Grow up.

Now you've lost me. Are you saying that anti-trans bigotry is a particularly Christian value? I didn't think you thought that, but maybe I'm wrong.

In the final analysis, I don't care whether anti-trans bigotry (like homophobia before it) roots itself in some claim of Christianity, some claim of Orthodox Judaism, some claim of any other organized religion, or just personal preference. It's wrong. It's evil. And I won't look the other way. --Bob

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:02 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:24 pm

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:16 pm

I'm curious. If you saw a picture of all the contestants and didn't know which one had won, would you have been able to pick out which contestants were trans and which were cis?

If not, then who cares? Of course, what's really going on is that you just can't accept the reality of transgendered people and can't help expressing your prejudice against them, even when their existence has no conceivable impact on your life. And since that's an attitude that makes life a lot harder for the transgendered and those of us who have transgendered friends and family, it's worth calling out that bigotry every time it rears its ugly head. --Bob

This example is probably weak, I admit.
But, I, personally don't give 3 fucks if one is trans, gay, etc. There are situations in which it may cause disagreement.
But, I'm calling out any anti-Christian, false bigotry attributions that SOME here perpetuate. Grow up.

Now you've lost me. Are you saying that anti-trans bigotry is a particularly Christian value? I didn't think you thought that, but maybe I'm wrong.

In the final analysis, I don't care whether anti-trans bigotry (like homophobia before it) roots itself in some claim of Christianity, some claim of Orthodox Judaism, some claim of any other organized religion, or just personal preference. It's wrong. It's evil. And I won't look the other way. --Bob

Reading comprehension.
You exhibit bigotry against Christians and conservatives or libertarians who have repeatedly said they don't care about personal preference. You don't read because it doesn't fit your mantra.

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:37 pm

Your saying it doesn't make it so, just like a man saying he's a woman doesn't make it so. My position is truth. Period.

Sex is a biological fact, although there are "intersex" people who have reproductive organs of both sexes. Gender is not. Gender refers to the way in which people view themselves and is a social and cultural construct, not a biological one. Most people identify their gender with the natal sex, but a lot of them don't.

You poor, deluded people.

If he dressed up in an orangutan costume, would you BELIEVE he's an orangutan?
Maybe if he insisted he was a Cock-a-Poodle, he could win the Westminster Dog Show.

It's one thing to support this guy's mental state as an individual, and he's free (in this country) to present himself whatever way he wants, but to change society's rules based on this made-up and arbitrary construct that goes against concrete science? No. Absolutely no. I don't care what names you make up to call me. I'll just add them to all the other ones. All of them are bullshit to defend your indefensible narratives.

Look up the definition of wokeism I posted.

And Absolutely No to teaching this garbage to children.

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:10 pm

I guess these organizations need to codify the definition of woman in their rules.

Be pretty difficult. One of our Supreme Court Justices couldn't do it.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:10 pm

It's one thing to support this guy's mental state as an individual, and he's free (in this country) to present himself whatever way he wants, but to change society's rules based on this made-up and arbitrary construct that goes against concrete science? No.

Please present some scientific evidence that says there are only two genders and that those match a person's natal sex.

Gender is not sex.

You can string long sentences together that you probably borrowed from Dennis Prager or Free Republic, but that doesn't make you a rational person.

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:42 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:10 pm

It's one thing to support this guy's mental state as an individual, and he's free (in this country) to present himself whatever way he wants, but to change society's rules based on this made-up and arbitrary construct that goes against concrete science? No.

Please present some scientific evidence that says there are only two genders and that those match a person's natal sex.

Gender is not sex.

You can string long sentences together that you probably borrowed from Dennis Prager or Free Republic, but that doesn't make you a rational person.

You may find all sorts of definitions online. Choose your own. Doesn't make them right for all.

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:44 pm

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:42 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:10 pm

It's one thing to support this guy's mental state as an individual, and he's free (in this country) to present himself whatever way he wants, but to change society's rules based on this made-up and arbitrary construct that goes against concrete science? No.

Please present some scientific evidence that says there are only two genders and that those match a person's natal sex.

Gender is not sex.

You can string long sentences together that you probably borrowed from Dennis Prager or Free Republic, but that doesn't make you a rational person.

You may find all sorts of definitions online. Choose your own. Doesn't make them right for all.

Just more word redefinition, like marriage. Was a man and a woman. Then they changed it to two adults. Soon to be just adults. Next up to be just people. Then whatever.

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:42 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:10 pm

It's one thing to support this guy's mental state as an individual, and he's free (in this country) to present himself whatever way he wants, but to change society's rules based on this made-up and arbitrary construct that goes against concrete science? No.

Please present some scientific evidence that says there are only two genders and that those match a person's natal sex.

Gender is not sex.

You can string long sentences together that you probably borrowed from Dennis Prager or Free Republic, but that doesn't make you a rational person.

XX, XY
That is what determines our sex in 99.99% of people. It is a medical scientific fact accepted worldwide as far back in history as you care to go. It cannot be lied about. Or changed.

Minds can lie. Minds can be changed. Any determinant based on a person's mind is by definition changeable and fluid. And can be arbitrary. Like a psychiatric body changing from gender dysphoria to deciding that what a 'gender' a person at a particular time decides they are is a 'medical' fact.

Males cannot have babies, as John Cleese so astutely observed. Males cannot DECIDE they are females and have XX Chomosomes. They can act as females, they can dress as females. and vice versa. They can ASK other people to address them however they want. And they are free to do that. THEY CANNOT DEMAND IT OF SOCIETY. Male human beings and female human beings are different. You cannot switch between sexes using your mind. Just as you can't switch species using your mind.

If you do not understand that, you are deluded. Just by it having to be explained to you shows YOU are not rational.

Monty Python showed how ludicrous you are what? 40 - 50 years ago. Now you are the joke. But it's not funny.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:37 pm

XX, XY
That is what determines our sex in 99.99% of people. It is a medical scientific fact accepted worldwide as far back in history as you care to go. It cannot be lied about. Or changed.

And you apparently still don't understand the difference between sex and gender. Sex is a matter of chromosomes and natal sex organs for the vast majority of people. Gender reflects how people identify. That's been going on as far back in history as you care to go.

Canadian Institutes of Health Research wrote:Sex refers to a set of biological attributes in humans and animals. It is primarily associated with physical and physiological features including chromosomes, gene expression, hormone levels and function, and reproductive/sexual anatomy. Sex is usually categorized as female or male but there is variation in the biological attributes that comprise sex and how those attributes are expressed.

Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, expressions and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender diverse people. It influences how people perceive themselves and each other, how they act and interact, and the distribution of power and resources in society. Gender identity is not confined to a binary (girl/woman, boy/man) nor is it static; it exists along a continuum and can change over time. There is considerable diversity in how individuals and groups understand, experience and express gender through the roles they take on, the expectations placed on them, relations with others and the complex ways that gender is institutionalized in society.

We've had transgender and other non-binary individuals throughout history. For a long time, most of them hid it for the same reasons that many gays stayed in the closet. But what we understand now is that trans and nonbinary individuals are a lot more common that many people thought. Recent studies show that as many as 5% of young people in the United States today say their gender is different from their sex assigned at birth.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... -at-birth/

I've got lots of medical professionals to back up my statements. You've got a 50-year-old sketch from John Cleese.

Not even going to go there. So many societal ups and downs that define stuff.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1677731732815060992

Yeah. What he said.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:53 am

https://twitter.com/i/status/1677731732815060992

Yeah. What he said.

Yes, that doctor was an evil, horrible person for putting the needs and concerns of her patients first.