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#1 Post by silverscreenselect » Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:49 am

His last show was last Friday, the network announced. They didn't go into details regarding his departure. Also leaving the show is weekend host Dan Bongino, although in his case, he claims it was due to a contract dispute where they were never able to come to terms.

The complete statement from Fox News this morning:
“Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor.
Mr. Carlson’s last program was Friday, April 21. Fox News Tonight will air live at 8 pm ET starting this evening as an interim show helmed by rotating FOX News personalities until a new host is named.”
Carlson's departure won't effect his possible appearance in Fox's other multibillion dollar defamation suit pending filed by another voting system company, Smartmatic.

I'm sure Flock is devastated by this news. But Carlson won't be out of work long. I'm sure one of those other right wing news networks will pick him up. If not, McDonalds is always hiring.
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#2 Post by silverscreenselect » Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:57 am

In a bizarre symmetry sort of story, CNN anchor Don Lemon was fired this morning. For the last six months, he had been co-host of their new morning show, CNN This Morning. Lemon appeared on this morning's episode before his rather abrupt departure.

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#3 Post by jarnon » Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:54 pm

Bye, Tucker. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
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#4 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:57 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:49 am
His last show was last Friday, the network announced. They didn't go into details regarding his departure. Also leaving the show is weekend host Dan Bongino, although in his case, he claims it was due to a contract dispute where they were never able to come to terms.

The complete statement from Fox News this morning:
“Fox News Media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways. We thank him for his service to the network as a host and prior to that as a contributor.
Mr. Carlson’s last program was Friday, April 21. Fox News Tonight will air live at 8 pm ET starting this evening as an interim show helmed by rotating FOX News personalities until a new host is named.”
Carlson's departure won't effect his possible appearance in Fox's other multibillion dollar defamation suit pending filed by another voting system company, Smartmatic.

I'm sure Flock is devastated by this news. But Carlson won't be out of work long. I'm sure one of those other right wing news networks will pick him up. If not, McDonalds is always hiring.
Your obsession with me is concerning. You should really do some introspection, as I (and others) have suggested many times before.

Since you won't do that, I think it would be interesting to see the mental gymnastics you need to display to obscure and deflect the fact that the 51 swamp creatures who signed a document saying they thought Hunter Biden's laptop was 'Russian Disinformation' were all lying. Even the NYT admits the laptop from hell is genuine. But you already knew that, and have made no comment or adjustment in your little bubble based on that fact. The former acting CIA Director has now testified under oath that the 'document' was all bullshit designed to help Biden win. He named names, and one was named Blinken. But that can't possibly be true. You'll find something to prove to us that Mike Morrell is a fricken right-wing lunatic and lied under oath. It must be very comforting to believe that everyone that disagrees with your worldview is a liar.

I found out why the Ripcord wasn't pulled in accordance with my timeline. Are you ever going to admit that you were wrong about every bit of the 'Russian Disinformation' hoax? And the fact that there was election interference, not by the russians, but by the democrat party and the media they control?

I'm not interested in arguing with you. I just want to see how far you will be willing to go to stretch your willing ignorance and hypocrisy.

Oh, I am glad to hear about Tucker. He will land on his feet and probably get a bigger audience, now that he is out of the control of Fox News. Fox has sealed their own fate in the past couple of years by censoring news the same way CNN and MSNBC does.
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#5 Post by Bob Juch » Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:48 pm

Carlson will probably live in the house he bought last August in Boca Grande, Florida. That's an ironic name.
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#6 Post by jarnon » Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:53 pm

Peeking behind the firewall ...
Washington Post wrote:Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News after Dominion lawsuit disclosures
The bombastic conservative was the network’s most-watched prime-time host. Private communications made public in a recent lawsuit revealed his sharp criticism of Fox management.


By Jeremy Barr and Sarah Ellison
Spoiler
Fox News dropped Tucker Carlson, its controversial yet top-rated prime-time host, on Monday — a sudden and surprise parting with one of the most influential voices in Republican politics, who had helped define the network’s bombastic tone in the Trump era.

His firing came less than a week after Fox settled a defamation lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems, which had sued the network for airing false claims that it had conspired to rig the 2020 election, for $787.5 million — the largest publicly disclosed monetary settlement ever in an American defamation action.

Though Carlson largely avoided trafficking in those specific conspiracy theories, his private messages were among thousands of internal communications made public during its progress through the courts that caused angst and embarrassment for Fox and heightened the company’s legal jeopardy.

More recently, Carlson’s staff culture had come under scrutiny, after a former booker for his show sued Fox News for discrimination, claiming that she endured sexist treatment while working for him, and messages revealed in the lawsuit showed Carlson referring to Sidney Powell, a female attorney affiliated with Trump, as a “c---.”

But Carlson’s comments about Fox management, as revealed in the Dominion case, also played a role in his departure, a person familiar with the company’s thinking told The Post.

Dozens of communications from Carlson and other Fox personnel remain out of public view, redacted at the request of Fox attorneys, but have been seen by top Fox executives. Others generated headlines when they were released this year with Dominion’s legal filings.

“Do the executives understand how much credibility and trust we’ve lost with our audience?” Carlson wrote to a colleague in a message a day after Fox, like other media outlets, called the election for Joe Biden. It was a sentiment echoed by others at Fox in the fall of 2020, when even network officials who disbelieved Trump’s election-fraud conspiracy theories fretted that countering them strongly would alienate their conservative viewers.

In another message, Carlson referred to management with an expletive: “Those f-----s are destroying our credibility.” He later wrote: “A combination of incompetent liberals and top leadership with too much pride to back down is what’s happening.”

Carlson, who works from a remote studio in Maine, did not respond to repeated messages asking for comment on his departure — which came just an hour before rival cable network CNN ousted longtime host Don Lemon.

The decision to drop Carlson was made Friday evening by Fox Corporation CEO Lachlan Murdoch and Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott, according to a person familiar with the decision who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive personnel matters.

The host himself, whose last appearance was Friday on his nightly show, only learned of his firing in a phone call Monday morning. He and his team had spent the weekend working on their plans for summer shows, according to a person familiar with the conversation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly about internal matters. The network was still running promos for his show Monday morning.

Notably, Carlson was not given a chance to say goodbye to the mammoth audience he had amassed in his years as a prime time host. His executive producer, Justin Wells, is also leaving the network, according to a person familiar with the move.

Fox said that the 8 p.m. time slot, which Carlson has held since April 2017, will be filled on an interim basis by “rotating Fox News personalities until a new host is named.”

The news generated shock waves across the media. On ABC’s “The View,” whose mostly liberal hosts regard Carlson as something of a supervillain, Whoopi Goldberg’s announcement drew cheers from the studio audience. On Real America’s Voice, a right-wing streaming and cable channel, Donald Trump Jr. expressed shock about Fox’s decision but fantasized that Carlson would emerge as an even more powerful voice in GOP politics. “I’d love to see Tucker speak his mind, not that he doesn’t, with even fewer restraints on a platform where he’s not answering to the Paul Ryans and the Karl Roves,” Trump said, in a knowing reference to two more moderate Republicans — the former House speaker who now sits on Fox’s board and the veteran George W. Bush consultant who is a Fox contributor.

“I predict Tucker goes independent,” said Megyn Kelly, a former Fox host who now hosts a podcast and radio program. “Tucker launches a podcast or digital show and crushes it. Absolutely crushes it”

Carlson, 53, first made his name in the 1990s as a writer for the right-of-center Weekly Standard, also contributing to general-interest magazines like Esquire and Talk, before finding television fame as the conservative host of CNN’s left-versus-right public-affairs show “Crossfire.” He later hosted a prime-time show on liberal-leaning MSNBC and co-founded the conservative Daily Caller site.

But his rise to power as a broadcasting heavyweight began shortly after the 2016 election, when Fox launched him in a prime-time role. Within a couple years, he eclipsed 9 p.m. host Sean Hannity as the network’s most-watched host — and like Hannity, became an occasional confidant of Trump. In March 2020, he visited the then-president at Mar-a-Lago to warn him that the coronavirus needed to be taken seriously. Later, though, he sided with a growing chorus on the right when he seemed to dismiss the pandemic and derided efforts to promote vaccination.

In 2022, “Tucker Carlson Tonight” averaged 3.32 million total viewers and received the largest audience in all of cable news with the coveted 25-to-54 age demographic.

His success was particularly gratifying to the network’s billionaire co-founder Rupert Murdoch, seen as proof of Fox’s resilience even after the loss of marquee stars like Bill O’Reilly, whose time slot Carlson inherited after the longtime host was fired amid a sexual harassment scandal. But some top executives chafed at how much Carlson seemed to tout his relationship with Murdoch’s son Lachlan and his ability to make his own rules, according to people familiar with the company’s thinking.

Carlson became a dominating force not only in media but also in Republican politics. He delivered a fiery keynote address at the Heritage Foundation’s 50th anniversary celebration Friday, in which he likened gender-affirming surgery for youth as “sexual castration” of children, and abortion as “child sacrifice,” to rousing applause.

Once known for rhetorically body-slamming his liberal guests, Carlson hadn’t booked many lately — and in January, he deployed his debating skills on an ideological ally. After Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) referred to the Jan. 6, 2021 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol as a “violent terrorist attack,” he ended up backtracking and apologizing under Carlson’s withering questioning in a January appearance on the show.

Yet Carlson drew an unexpected backlash from Republican lawmakers last month after he used Jan. 6 security footage given exclusively to him by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy in an attempt to present the Capitol riot as mostly “peaceful.” The U.S. Capitol Police accused him of “cherry-picking” footage in service of “offensive and misleading conclusions.”

Meanwhile, his show had triggered frequent controversy for Fox. In December 2018, Carlson lost at least 26 of his advertisers after he said that immigration makes the United States “dirtier.” And in 2019, the liberal watchdog group Media Matters for America unearthed more than a dozen instances of Carlson making incendiary comments during guest spots on the “Bubba the Love Sponge” radio show — making light of child marriage, calling rape shield laws “totally unfair,” describing women as “extremely primitive” and using sexist vulgarities.

Carlson also faced heavy criticism in the fall of 2021 when Fox Nation, the company’s streaming arm, aired a special he hosted, “Patriot Purge,” which carried suggestions that the Jan. 6 attack was a “false flag” operation perpetrated by the U.S. government. Two longtime Fox News commentators, Jonah Goldberg and Stephen Hayes, quit the network in protest. But the network repeatedly stood by Carlson.

This spring, as revelations from Dominion’s trove of internal communications piled up, Carlson also came under scrutiny when a former top booker for his show, Abby Grossberg, sued Fox for sexual harassment and other alleged wrongs. In her suit she said that when she started working for Carlson, she found the office plastered with large images of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi “in a plunging bathing suit revealing her cleavage.” She also alleged that male colleagues on Carlson’s staff openly critiqued the looks and sex appeal of prominent female politicians as well as their own female co-workers, and that a boss asked her “uncomfortable” questions about the sex life of her former boss, Maria Bartiromo.

Grossberg and her attorneys took a measure of vindication in Carlson’s departure. “This is a step towards accountability for the election lies and baseless conspiracy theories spread by Fox News,” Grossberg said in a statement, “as well as for the abuse and harassment I endured.”

Carlson was also facing legal threats over his comments about Ray Epps, a former Marine who attended the Jan. 6 insurrection. A lawyer representing Epps sent a letter to Carlson and Fox last month demanding that the host apologize for insinuations that Epps was a government agent planted at the scene to incite violence.

During an appearance on “60 Minutes” on Sunday night, Epps said that Carlson is “obsessed” with him and is “going to any means possible to destroy my life and our lives.” In a statement, Epps’s attorney said Monday that “Fox’s decision may shield them from responsibility for Carlson’s future lies, but Fox remains liable for Carlson’s past lies.”

On Monday, his Fox News colleagues were stunned by Carlson’s departure. “We’re just learning of this like everyone else, total surprise on my end,” one staffer told The Post, speaking on condition of anonymity to share private insights into the newsroom.

Another on-air personality added: “This is major. It sends a message that even the guy with the highest ratings of all, by a long shot, doesn’t get to survive this disaster.”

It fell to Fox News anchor Harris Faulkner to announce Carlson’s departure to Fox viewers on Monday.

“We have some news within our Fox family,” she said. “We want to thank Tucker Carlson for his service to the network, as a host, and prior to that, as a long-term contributor.”
Isaac Arnsdorf and Paul Farhi contributed to this report.
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Re: Tucker Carlson Out at Fox News

#7 Post by Beebs52 » Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:16 pm

jarnon wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 5:53 pm
Peeking behind the firewall ...
Washington Post wrote:Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News after Dominion lawsuit disclosures
The bombastic conservative was the network’s most-watched prime-time host. Private communications made public in a recent lawsuit revealed his sharp criticism of Fox management.


By Jeremy Barr and Sarah Ellison

Fox News dropped Tucker Carlson, its controversial yet top-rated prime-time host, on Monday — a sudden and surprise parting with one of the most influential voices in Republican politics, who had helped define the network’s bombastic tone in the Trump era.

His firing came less than a week after Fox settled a defamation lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems, which had sued the network for airing false claims that it had conspired to rig the 2020 election, for $787.5 million — the largest publicly disclosed monetary settlement ever in an American defamation action.

Though Carlson largely avoided trafficking in those specific conspiracy theories, his private messages were among thousands of internal communications made public during its progress through the courts that caused angst and embarrassment for Fox and heightened the company’s legal jeopardy.

More recently, Carlson’s staff culture had come under scrutiny, after a former booker for his show sued Fox News for discrimination, claiming that she endured sexist treatment while working for him, and messages revealed in the lawsuit showed Carlson referring to Sidney Powell, a female attorney affiliated with Trump, as a “c---.”

But Carlson’s comments about Fox management, as revealed in the Dominion case, also played a role in his departure, a person familiar with the company’s thinking told The Post.

Dozens of communications from Carlson and other Fox personnel remain out of public view, redacted at the request of Fox attorneys, but have been seen by top Fox executives. Others generated headlines when they were released this year with Dominion’s legal filings.

“Do the executives understand how much credibility and trust we’ve lost with our audience?” Carlson wrote to a colleague in a message a day after Fox, like other media outlets, called the election for Joe Biden. It was a sentiment echoed by others at Fox in the fall of 2020, when even network officials who disbelieved Trump’s election-fraud conspiracy theories fretted that countering them strongly would alienate their conservative viewers.

In another message, Carlson referred to management with an expletive: “Those f-----s are destroying our credibility.” He later wrote: “A combination of incompetent liberals and top leadership with too much pride to back down is what’s happening.”

Carlson, who works from a remote studio in Maine, did not respond to repeated messages asking for comment on his departure — which came just an hour before rival cable network CNN ousted longtime host Don Lemon.

The decision to drop Carlson was made Friday evening by Fox Corporation CEO Lachlan Murdoch and Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott, according to a person familiar with the decision who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive personnel matters.

The host himself, whose last appearance was Friday on his nightly show, only learned of his firing in a phone call Monday morning. He and his team had spent the weekend working on their plans for summer shows, according to a person familiar with the conversation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly about internal matters. The network was still running promos for his show Monday morning.

Notably, Carlson was not given a chance to say goodbye to the mammoth audience he had amassed in his years as a prime time host. His executive producer, Justin Wells, is also leaving the network, according to a person familiar with the move.

Fox said that the 8 p.m. time slot, which Carlson has held since April 2017, will be filled on an interim basis by “rotating Fox News personalities until a new host is named.”

The news generated shock waves across the media. On ABC’s “The View,” whose mostly liberal hosts regard Carlson as something of a supervillain, Whoopi Goldberg’s announcement drew cheers from the studio audience. On Real America’s Voice, a right-wing streaming and cable channel, Donald Trump Jr. expressed shock about Fox’s decision but fantasized that Carlson would emerge as an even more powerful voice in GOP politics. “I’d love to see Tucker speak his mind, not that he doesn’t, with even fewer restraints on a platform where he’s not answering to the Paul Ryans and the Karl Roves,” Trump said, in a knowing reference to two more moderate Republicans — the former House speaker who now sits on Fox’s board and the veteran George W. Bush consultant who is a Fox contributor.

“I predict Tucker goes independent,” said Megyn Kelly, a former Fox host who now hosts a podcast and radio program. “Tucker launches a podcast or digital show and crushes it. Absolutely crushes it”

Carlson, 53, first made his name in the 1990s as a writer for the right-of-center Weekly Standard, also contributing to general-interest magazines like Esquire and Talk, before finding television fame as the conservative host of CNN’s left-versus-right public-affairs show “Crossfire.” He later hosted a prime-time show on liberal-leaning MSNBC and co-founded the conservative Daily Caller site.

But his rise to power as a broadcasting heavyweight began shortly after the 2016 election, when Fox launched him in a prime-time role. Within a couple years, he eclipsed 9 p.m. host Sean Hannity as the network’s most-watched host — and like Hannity, became an occasional confidant of Trump. In March 2020, he visited the then-president at Mar-a-Lago to warn him that the coronavirus needed to be taken seriously. Later, though, he sided with a growing chorus on the right when he seemed to dismiss the pandemic and derided efforts to promote vaccination.

In 2022, “Tucker Carlson Tonight” averaged 3.32 million total viewers and received the largest audience in all of cable news with the coveted 25-to-54 age demographic.

His success was particularly gratifying to the network’s billionaire co-founder Rupert Murdoch, seen as proof of Fox’s resilience even after the loss of marquee stars like Bill O’Reilly, whose time slot Carlson inherited after the longtime host was fired amid a sexual harassment scandal. But some top executives chafed at how much Carlson seemed to tout his relationship with Murdoch’s son Lachlan and his ability to make his own rules, according to people familiar with the company’s thinking.

Carlson became a dominating force not only in media but also in Republican politics. He delivered a fiery keynote address at the Heritage Foundation’s 50th anniversary celebration Friday, in which he likened gender-affirming surgery for youth as “sexual castration” of children, and abortion as “child sacrifice,” to rousing applause.

Once known for rhetorically body-slamming his liberal guests, Carlson hadn’t booked many lately — and in January, he deployed his debating skills on an ideological ally. After Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) referred to the Jan. 6, 2021 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol as a “violent terrorist attack,” he ended up backtracking and apologizing under Carlson’s withering questioning in a January appearance on the show.

Yet Carlson drew an unexpected backlash from Republican lawmakers last month after he used Jan. 6 security footage given exclusively to him by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy in an attempt to present the Capitol riot as mostly “peaceful.” The U.S. Capitol Police accused him of “cherry-picking” footage in service of “offensive and misleading conclusions.”

Meanwhile, his show had triggered frequent controversy for Fox. In December 2018, Carlson lost at least 26 of his advertisers after he said that immigration makes the United States “dirtier.” And in 2019, the liberal watchdog group Media Matters for America unearthed more than a dozen instances of Carlson making incendiary comments during guest spots on the “Bubba the Love Sponge” radio show — making light of child marriage, calling rape shield laws “totally unfair,” describing women as “extremely primitive” and using sexist vulgarities.

Carlson also faced heavy criticism in the fall of 2021 when Fox Nation, the company’s streaming arm, aired a special he hosted, “Patriot Purge,” which carried suggestions that the Jan. 6 attack was a “false flag” operation perpetrated by the U.S. government. Two longtime Fox News commentators, Jonah Goldberg and Stephen Hayes, quit the network in protest. But the network repeatedly stood by Carlson.

This spring, as revelations from Dominion’s trove of internal communications piled up, Carlson also came under scrutiny when a former top booker for his show, Abby Grossberg, sued Fox for sexual harassment and other alleged wrongs. In her suit she said that when she started working for Carlson, she found the office plastered with large images of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi “in a plunging bathing suit revealing her cleavage.” She also alleged that male colleagues on Carlson’s staff openly critiqued the looks and sex appeal of prominent female politicians as well as their own female co-workers, and that a boss asked her “uncomfortable” questions about the sex life of her former boss, Maria Bartiromo.

Grossberg and her attorneys took a measure of vindication in Carlson’s departure. “This is a step towards accountability for the election lies and baseless conspiracy theories spread by Fox News,” Grossberg said in a statement, “as well as for the abuse and harassment I endured.”

Carlson was also facing legal threats over his comments about Ray Epps, a former Marine who attended the Jan. 6 insurrection. A lawyer representing Epps sent a letter to Carlson and Fox last month demanding that the host apologize for insinuations that Epps was a government agent planted at the scene to incite violence.

During an appearance on “60 Minutes” on Sunday night, Epps said that Carlson is “obsessed” with him and is “going to any means possible to destroy my life and our lives.” In a statement, Epps’s attorney said Monday that “Fox’s decision may shield them from responsibility for Carlson’s future lies, but Fox remains liable for Carlson’s past lies.”

On Monday, his Fox News colleagues were stunned by Carlson’s departure. “We’re just learning of this like everyone else, total surprise on my end,” one staffer told The Post, speaking on condition of anonymity to share private insights into the newsroom.

Another on-air personality added: “This is major. It sends a message that even the guy with the highest ratings of all, by a long shot, doesn’t get to survive this disaster.”

It fell to Fox News anchor Harris Faulkner to announce Carlson’s departure to Fox viewers on Monday.

“We have some news within our Fox family,” she said. “We want to thank Tucker Carlson for his service to the network, as a host, and prior to that, as a long-term contributor.”

Isaac Arnsdorf and Paul Farhi contributed to this report.
Regardless if we agree/disagree this is a too long post. Everyone has checked this out. It's silly.
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#8 Post by jarnon » Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:23 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:16 pm
jarnon wrote:
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Regardless if we agree/disagree this is a too long post. Everyone has checked this out. It’s silly.
I meant it as a “public service” for BBs who can’t read articles on the Post website. I’ll “spoiler” it to make it less enormous.
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#9 Post by Beebs52 » Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:37 pm

It's been reported everywhere. Wapo doesn't have anything original.
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Re: Tucker Carlson Out at Fox News

#10 Post by kroxquo » Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:40 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:57 pm

Your obsession with me is concerning. You should really do some introspection, as I (and others) have suggested many times before.

Since you won't do that, I think it would be interesting to see the mental gymnastics you need to display to obscure and deflect the fact that the 51 swamp creatures who signed a document saying they thought Hunter Biden's laptop was 'Russian Disinformation' were all lying. Even the NYT admits the laptop from hell is genuine. But you already knew that, and have made no comment or adjustment in your little bubble based on that fact. The former acting CIA Director has now testified under oath that the 'document' was all bullshit designed to help Biden win. He named names, and one was named Blinken. But that can't possibly be true. You'll find something to prove to us that Mike Morrell is a fricken right-wing lunatic and lied under oath. It must be very comforting to believe that everyone that disagrees with your worldview is a liar.

I found out why the Ripcord wasn't pulled in accordance with my timeline. Are you ever going to admit that you were wrong about every bit of the 'Russian Disinformation' hoax? And the fact that there was election interference, not by the russians, but by the democrat party and the media they control?

I'm not interested in arguing with you. I just want to see how far you will be willing to go to stretch your willing ignorance and hypocrisy.

Oh, I am glad to hear about Tucker. He will land on his feet and probably get a bigger audience, now that he is out of the control of Fox News. Fox has sealed their own fate in the past couple of years by censoring news the same way CNN and MSNBC does.
You continue to mischaracterize the statement from the intelligence experts. The actual statement says:

"We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement – just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case."

Being mistaken is not the same as lying. You are correct in saying that evidence indicates that the laptop did belong to Hunter Biden, but that does not dismiss the fact that there are huge gaps in the provenance and chain of custody. There is also evidence that the computer was tampered with after it was left at the computer store.
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Re: Tucker Carlson Out at Fox News

#11 Post by kroxquo » Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:44 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:57 pm

Your obsession with me is concerning. You should really do some introspection, as I (and others) have suggested many times before.

Since you won't do that, I think it would be interesting to see the mental gymnastics you need to display to obscure and deflect the fact that the 51 swamp creatures who signed a document saying they thought Hunter Biden's laptop was 'Russian Disinformation' were all lying. Even the NYT admits the laptop from hell is genuine. But you already knew that, and have made no comment or adjustment in your little bubble based on that fact. The former acting CIA Director has now testified under oath that the 'document' was all bullshit designed to help Biden win. He named names, and one was named Blinken. But that can't possibly be true. You'll find something to prove to us that Mike Morrell is a fricken right-wing lunatic and lied under oath. It must be very comforting to believe that everyone that disagrees with your worldview is a liar.

I found out why the Ripcord wasn't pulled in accordance with my timeline. Are you ever going to admit that you were wrong about every bit of the 'Russian Disinformation' hoax? And the fact that there was election interference, not by the russians, but by the democrat party and the media they control?

I'm not interested in arguing with you. I just want to see how far you will be willing to go to stretch your willing ignorance and hypocrisy.

Oh, I am glad to hear about Tucker. He will land on his feet and probably get a bigger audience, now that he is out of the control of Fox News. Fox has sealed their own fate in the past couple of years by censoring news the same way CNN and MSNBC does.
Apparently my whole response was too long for the Bored to handle, so here is part 2
And Morrell's interview with Jim Jordan is missing context. From the Washington Post:

"Morell said in his testimony that he had spoken with Biden campaign senior adviser (and now secretary of state) Antony Blinken about the Hunter Biden laptop story two days earlier, on Oct. 17, and he agreed that conversation “triggered” his intent to write the statement. Morell also said Blinken that day shared with him a USA Today story about the FBI investigating whether the story was tied to a Russian disinformation campaign.

Morell told an associate that the Biden campaign had suggested the statement be shared with a particular reporter for The Washington Post. (The Washington Post did not initially write about the statement, which Politico was the first to report on.) He also said part of his motivation was to “help Vice President Biden.”

The implication of the letter — which Jordan spelled out more explicitly Thursday night on Fox News — is that the Biden campaign was creating a pretext for suppressing the story, using the former intelligence officials.

“Then, quickly, it turns into this political operation — that letter that became the basis for suppressing the story and keeping it from the American people just days before the most important election we have: election for president of the United States,” Jordan said on Fox.
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#12 Post by kroxquo » Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:55 pm

Part 3

"But the letter appears to have omitted key context, including whether Blinken actually pushed for such a statement.

On Friday afternoon, House Democrats released an excerpt from Morell’s interview in which Morell actually addressed that. Asked whether Blinken had directed, suggested or insinuated that he should write such a statement, Morell said, “My memory is that he did not.”

“Mr. Morell testified that Mr. Blinken did not hint that the Biden campaign ‘could use some help on this’ or suggest that Mr. Morell should ‘cook up something’ that the campaign should use,” the House Judiciary Democrats said."

I will look at any evidence of the 2020 election being rigged that is presented with an open mind. I have yet to see any that is even a little bit credible.

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Instead of unsubscribing (never unsubscribe from something you didn't subscribe to; it just validates your address), I have them go to my spam folder. Today it was overflowing with emails asking for contributions to them. The same thing happened after TFG was indicted.
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#14 Post by BackInTex » Mon Apr 24, 2023 8:11 pm

kroxquo wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:55 pm

I will look at any evidence of the 2020 election being rigged that is presented with an open mind. I have yet to see any that is even a little bit credible.
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#15 Post by jarnon » Mon Apr 24, 2023 8:17 pm

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It's been reported everywhere. Wapo doesn't have anything original.
The Post is the original source for many of the details about Carlson’s firing. Other news organizations should be scrupulous and cite the Post article. That also serves to cover their ass if some of the details turn out to be false.
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BackInTex wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 8:11 pm
kroxquo wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:55 pm

I will look at any evidence of the 2020 election being rigged that is presented with an open mind. I have yet to see any that is even a little bit credible.
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So far over 60 lawsuits have failed to provide enough evidence to persuade one single court that the election was rigged. That's not counting Operation Dumbo Drop, aka The Big Nothingburger.
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#17 Post by silverscreenselect » Mon Apr 24, 2023 9:32 pm

kroxquo wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:40 pm
You are correct in saying that evidence indicates that the laptop did belong to Hunter Biden, but that does not dismiss the fact that there are huge gaps in the provenance and chain of custody. There is also evidence that the computer was tampered with after it was left at the computer store.
My understanding is that one or more of the new Republican House Committees will be holding hearings to investigate Hunter Biden, the laptop, and the "Biden crime family." I'm looking forward to these hearings, if the Republicans ever actually hold them (as opposed to saying they will hold them). Because then witnesses will have to testify under oath as opposed to floating anonymous conspiracy theories on right-wing blogs. If they actually do hold hearings, look for them to turn out like the Durham investigation which produced no evidence in three years that FBI or CIA officials were conducting a witch hunt to get Donald Trump.
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#18 Post by tlynn78 » Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:04 pm

kroxquo wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:40 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:57 pm

Your obsession with me is concerning. You should really do some introspection, as I (and others) have suggested many times before.

Since you won't do that, I think it would be interesting to see the mental gymnastics you need to display to obscure and deflect the fact that the 51 swamp creatures who signed a document saying they thought Hunter Biden's laptop was 'Russian Disinformation' were all lying. Even the NYT admits the laptop from hell is genuine. But you already knew that, and have made no comment or adjustment in your little bubble based on that fact. The former acting CIA Director has now testified under oath that the 'document' was all bullshit designed to help Biden win. He named names, and one was named Blinken. But that can't possibly be true. You'll find something to prove to us that Mike Morrell is a fricken right-wing lunatic and lied under oath. It must be very comforting to believe that everyone that disagrees with your worldview is a liar.

I found out why the Ripcord wasn't pulled in accordance with my timeline. Are you ever going to admit that you were wrong about every bit of the 'Russian Disinformation' hoax? And the fact that there was election interference, not by the russians, but by the democrat party and the media they control?

I'm not interested in arguing with you. I just want to see how far you will be willing to go to stretch your willing ignorance and hypocrisy.

Oh, I am glad to hear about Tucker. He will land on his feet and probably get a bigger audience, now that he is out of the control of Fox News. Fox has sealed their own fate in the past couple of years by censoring news the same way CNN and MSNBC does.
You continue to mischaracterize the statement from the intelligence experts. The actual statement says:

"We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement – just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case."

Being mistaken is not the same as lying. You are correct in saying that evidence indicates that the laptop did belong to Hunter Biden, but that does not dismiss the fact that there are huge gaps in the provenance and chain of custody. There is also evidence that the computer was tampered with after it was left at the computer store.

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#19 Post by Bob Juch » Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:36 pm

tlynn78 wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:04 pm
kroxquo wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:40 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:57 pm

Your obsession with me is concerning. You should really do some introspection, as I (and others) have suggested many times before.

Since you won't do that, I think it would be interesting to see the mental gymnastics you need to display to obscure and deflect the fact that the 51 swamp creatures who signed a document saying they thought Hunter Biden's laptop was 'Russian Disinformation' were all lying. Even the NYT admits the laptop from hell is genuine. But you already knew that, and have made no comment or adjustment in your little bubble based on that fact. The former acting CIA Director has now testified under oath that the 'document' was all bullshit designed to help Biden win. He named names, and one was named Blinken. But that can't possibly be true. You'll find something to prove to us that Mike Morrell is a fricken right-wing lunatic and lied under oath. It must be very comforting to believe that everyone that disagrees with your worldview is a liar.

I found out why the Ripcord wasn't pulled in accordance with my timeline. Are you ever going to admit that you were wrong about every bit of the 'Russian Disinformation' hoax? And the fact that there was election interference, not by the russians, but by the democrat party and the media they control?

I'm not interested in arguing with you. I just want to see how far you will be willing to go to stretch your willing ignorance and hypocrisy.

Oh, I am glad to hear about Tucker. He will land on his feet and probably get a bigger audience, now that he is out of the control of Fox News. Fox has sealed their own fate in the past couple of years by censoring news the same way CNN and MSNBC does.
You continue to mischaracterize the statement from the intelligence experts. The actual statement says:

"We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement – just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case."

Being mistaken is not the same as lying. You are correct in saying that evidence indicates that the laptop did belong to Hunter Biden, but that does not dismiss the fact that there are huge gaps in the provenance and chain of custody. There is also evidence that the computer was tampered with after it was left at the computer store.

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#20 Post by tlynn78 » Tue Apr 25, 2023 7:28 pm

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Bob Juch wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:36 pm
tlynn78 wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:04 pm
kroxquo wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2023 6:40 pm


You continue to mischaracterize the statement from the intelligence experts. The actual statement says:

"We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement – just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case."

Being mistaken is not the same as lying. You are correct in saying that evidence indicates that the laptop did belong to Hunter Biden, but that does not dismiss the fact that there are huge gaps in the provenance and chain of custody. There is also evidence that the computer was tampered with after it was left at the computer store.

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#21 Post by silverscreenselect » Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:32 pm

tlynn78 wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2023 7:28 pm
Bob Juch wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:36 pm
To spin facts, you must first have facts.
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We already saw how many facts came out of the Durham investigation. (Hint: It was about the same as the number of facts that came out of Operation Dumbo Drop.)

Let's see how many facts have come out of the House investigations of the "Biden crime family." (Hint: To date, the answer is zero.)
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#22 Post by jarnon » Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:27 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:32 pm
We already saw how many facts came out of the Durham investigation. (Hint: It was about the same as the number of facts that came out of Operation Dumbo Drop.)

Let's see how many facts have come out of the House investigations of the "Biden crime family." (Hint: To date, the answer is zero.)
I don’t think it’s illegal for a campaign to downplay a damaging news report, with help from friendly news organizations and former intelligence operatives. (Those are the only “crimes” the House has investigated so far.)

I suspect an ulterior motive. If DOJ concludes that such actions are legal, Trump’s lawyers will shove that finding in Alvin Bragg’s face and demand that he dismiss the charges against Trump or reduce them to misdemeanors. (Falsification of business records is a felony only if it’s tied to a larger criminal scheme.)
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#23 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:36 pm

jarnon wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:27 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:32 pm
We already saw how many facts came out of the Durham investigation. (Hint: It was about the same as the number of facts that came out of Operation Dumbo Drop.)

Let's see how many facts have come out of the House investigations of the "Biden crime family." (Hint: To date, the answer is zero.)
I don’t think it’s illegal for a campaign to downplay a damaging news report, with help from friendly news organizations and former intelligence operatives. (Those are the only “crimes” the House has investigated so far.)

I suspect an ulterior motive. If DOJ concludes that such actions are legal, Trump’s lawyers will shove that finding in Alvin Bragg’s face and demand that he dismiss the charges against Trump or reduce them to misdemeanors. (Falsification of business records is a felony only if it’s tied to a larger criminal scheme.)
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#24 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:51 am

So interesting, observing the way the indoctrinated 'think'.

I suppose they believe they've shot the point I made out of the water with all the quotations they found on the internet. Especially the book that was posted. They still see no evidence of election interference even when it is sticking a hot poker in their eye.

The one thing they won't address is the fact that 51 swamp creatures used their supposed credibility to sign a document that they had no way of knowing had any truth to it at all. No matter who initiated it. I would wager that most, if not all of them, knew it was bullshit, but there's no way of proving that unless one of them has a conscience attack. Not likely. They can fall back on the vague wording of the document to excuse the content and intent of the document they signed.

Regardless, it was completely unethical for them to do so, and the state-controlled, lazy press cabal gladly used it as cover to avoid reporting on the fact that one candidate had a serious scandal shortly before the election. And they STILL refuse to investigate and report on it. But you people have no interest in calling them on it. You just find someone to quote who seems to have a good excuse.

If you don't think that's election interference, you are completely out of touch with any reality other than the bubble you inhabit. And based on these facts, it would make any reasonable person wonder what other things were done. But, as Dennis Prager says, truth is not a value of the democrat party. But what's done is done. The sad thing is that you have no intention of even trying to hold anyone accountable and/or fix the problem. You will let it happen again and again. Because you let them get away with it. And they know they can make you think anything they want you to.
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#25 Post by tlynn78 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:21 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:51 am
So interesting, observing the way the indoctrinated 'think'.

I suppose they believe they've shot the point I made out of the water with all the quotations they found on the internet. Especially the book that was posted. They still see no evidence of election interference even when it is sticking a hot poker in their eye.

The one thing they won't address is the fact that 51 swamp creatures used their supposed credibility to sign a document that they had no way of knowing had any truth to it at all. No matter who initiated it. I would wager that most, if not all of them, knew it was bullshit, but there's no way of proving that unless one of them has a conscience attack. Not likely. They can fall back on the vague wording of the document to excuse the content and intent of the document they signed.

Regardless, it was completely unethical for them to do so, and the state-controlled, lazy press cabal gladly used it as cover to avoid reporting on the fact that one candidate had a serious scandal shortly before the election. And they STILL refuse to investigate and report on it. But you people have no interest in calling them on it. You just find someone to quote who seems to have a good excuse.

If you don't think that's election interference, you are completely out of touch with any reality other than the bubble you inhabit. And based on these facts, it would make any reasonable person wonder what other things were done. But, as Dennis Prager says, truth is not a value of the democrat party. But what's done is done. The sad thing is that you have no intention of even trying to hold anyone accountable and/or fix the problem. You will let it happen again and again. Because you let them get away with it. And they know they can make you think anything they want you to.
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