Trump threatens “death and destruction” if he’s criminally charged in New York

[Bob Juch]

https://nypost.com/2023/03/24/trump-sha ... -das-head/

Donald Trump on Friday threatened “death and destruction” if he’s criminally charged in New York — writing the shocking social media warning after posting an image of himself holding a baseball bat next to Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s head.

“They are HUMAN SCUM!” the 76-year-old former president raged in one post asking why Bragg “refuses to do the right thing and ‘call it a day?’”

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Trump shared the image of himself holding a baseball bat — with Bragg’s hands up — on his Truth Social platform Thursday as he devoted his day to attacking the prosecutor for pursuing a case over a “hush money” payout to porn star Stormy Daniels. The bat image was pulled from an article that he shared but was not removed.

He kept on raging until the early hours of Friday with continued incendiary name-calling.

[silverscreenselect]

Put him in a Rikers Island holding cell for one hour without his Secret Service detail around, and that baseball bat will quickly wind up in a different location.

[BackInTex]

I'm not supporting his post in anyway. It is childish and unhelpful to his cause. But he makes no threat.

[Bob78164]

I'm not supporting his post in anyway. It is childish and unhelpful to his cause. But he makes no threat.

Sure looks like incitement to me. If anyone else wrote a post like that about a public official who was considering an action adverse to them, they'd find themselves in cuffs. I'd love for the same rules to apply to Donny that apply to the rest of us. --Bob

[Spock]

I'm not supporting his post in anyway. It is childish and unhelpful to his cause. But he makes no threat.

Sure looks like incitement to me. If anyone else wrote a post like that about a public official who was considering an action adverse to them, they'd find themselves in cuffs. I'd love for the same rules to apply to Donny that apply to the rest of us. --Bob

You are just giddy aren't you? Trump gave you an opportunity to clutch your pearls and get your panties in a wad.

[tlynn78]

I'm not supporting his post in anyway. It is childish and unhelpful to his cause. But he makes no threat.

Sure looks like incitement to me. If anyone else wrote a post like that about a public official who was considering an action adverse to them, they'd find themselves in cuffs. I'd love for the same rules to apply to Donny that apply to the rest of us. --Bob

You are just giddy aren't you? Trump gave you an opportunity to clutch your pearls and get your panties in a wad.

Precisely. Bless their hearts.

[wbtravis007]

Sure looks like incitement to me. If anyone else wrote a post like that about a public official who was considering an action adverse to them, they'd find themselves in cuffs. I'd love for the same rules to apply to Donny that apply to the rest of us. --Bob

You are just giddy aren't you? Trump gave you an opportunity to clutch your pearls and get your panties in a wad.

Precisely. Bless their hearts.

Are y’all really so naive that you think that, just because y’all aren’t motivated by this to consider violence, there aren’t plenty of people who will be?

I can guarantee you that Trump knows this — probably better than anyone. That means that y’all are dumber than he is.

Any intelligent and relatively normal person should find this disturbing.

[Beebs52]

Actually, I agree with you.

[BackInTex]

You are just giddy aren't you? Trump gave you an opportunity to clutch your pearls and get your panties in a wad.

Precisely. Bless their hearts.

Are y’all really so naive that you think that, just because y’all aren’t motivated by this to consider violence, there aren’t plenty of people who will be?

I can guarantee you that Trump knows this — probably better than anyone. That means that y’all are dumber than he is.

Any intelligent and relatively normal person should find this disturbing.

I'm basing my thinking on how we were told to interpret Maxine Waters' comments. She said "And we’ve got to get more active. We’ve got to get more confrontational." The activity and confrontations to date, when she made the comments, cost cities like Minneapolis and Portland tens of millions of dollars and 25 deaths. So "more" as I was told was not really a call for violence. What Trump said is much less specific than Waters' words.

[silverscreenselect]

I'm basing my thinking on how we were told to interpret Maxine Waters' comments. She said "And we’ve got to get more active. We’ve got to get more confrontational." What Trump said is much less specific than Waters' words.

Waters explained her words:

I talk about confronting the justice system, confronting the policing that’s going on, I’m talking about speaking up, I’m talking about legislation. I’m talking about elected officials doing what needs to be done to control their budgets and to pass legislation.

That's a far cry from what Trump posted. And that's another difference. Waters' original comments were off the cuff to reporters. Trump wrote his in a social media post. And the words "potential death and destruction" are a lot more specific than "confrontational." And Trump also made his point by posting a picture of him swinging a baseball bat next to a picture of Bragg's head.

[wbtravis007]

Precisely. Bless their hearts.

Are y’all really so naive that you think that, just because y’all aren’t motivated by this to consider violence, there aren’t plenty of people who will be?

I can guarantee you that Trump knows this — probably better than anyone. That means that y’all are dumber than he is.

Any intelligent and relatively normal person should find this disturbing.

I'm basing my thinking on how we were told to interpret Maxine Waters' comments. She said "And we’ve got to get more active. We’ve got to get more confrontational." The activity and confrontations to date, when she made the comments, cost cities like Minneapolis and Portland tens of millions of dollars and 25 deaths. So "more" as I was told was not really a call for violence. What Trump said is much less specific than Waters' words.

So you’re cool with Trump because of something Maxine Waters said? Good grief.

Don’t forget Hilz.

I know that you like to think of yourself as someone who is able to intellectually cut through bullshit, but you’re just as naive and blind as any other Trump apologist who’s obsessed about owning the libs.

[Spock]

Are y’all really so naive that you think that, just because y’all aren’t motivated by this to consider violence, there aren’t plenty of people who will be?

I can guarantee you that Trump knows this — probably better than anyone. That means that y’all are dumber than he is.

Any intelligent and relatively normal person should find this disturbing.

I'm basing my thinking on how we were told to interpret Maxine Waters' comments. She said "And we’ve got to get more active. We’ve got to get more confrontational." The activity and confrontations to date, when she made the comments, cost cities like Minneapolis and Portland tens of millions of dollars and 25 deaths. So "more" as I was told was not really a call for violence. What Trump said is much less specific than Waters' words.

So you’re cool with Trump because of something Maxine Waters said? Good grief.

Don’t forget Hilz.

I know that you like to think of yourself as someone who is able to intellectually cut through bullshit, but you’re just as naive and blind as any other Trump apologist who’s obsessed about owning the libs.

It makes me happy that WB has joined SSS and Numbers in spending portions of the little time he has on this earth fixating on Trump and Trump apologists and so forth.

I think Tgirl and I are both on the DeSantis train-I will ride that as far as it goes and then we will see what comes next.

In my view-DeSantis is Trump without the baggage and would be much better at implementing the MAGA agenda.

[Spock]

Are y’all really so naive that you think that, just because y’all aren’t motivated by this to consider violence, there aren’t plenty of people who will be?

I can guarantee you that Trump knows this — probably better than anyone. That means that y’all are dumber than he is.

Any intelligent and relatively normal person should find this disturbing.

I'm basing my thinking on how we were told to interpret Maxine Waters' comments. She said "And we’ve got to get more active. We’ve got to get more confrontational." The activity and confrontations to date, when she made the comments, cost cities like Minneapolis and Portland tens of millions of dollars and 25 deaths. So "more" as I was told was not really a call for violence. What Trump said is much less specific than Waters' words.

So you’re cool with Trump because of something Maxine Waters said? Good grief.

Don’t forget Hilz.

I know that you like to think of yourself as someone who is able to intellectually cut through bullshit, but you’re just as naive and blind as any other Trump apologist who’s obsessed about owning the libs.

It makes me happy that WB has joined SSS and Numbers in spending portions of the little time he has on this earth fixating on Trump and Trump apologists and so forth.

I think Tgirl and I are both on the DeSantis train-I will ride that as far as it goes and then we will see what comes next.

In my view-DeSantis is Trump without the baggage and would be much better at implementing the MAGA agenda.

[silverscreenselect]

I think Tgirl and I are both on the DeSantis train-I will ride that as far as it goes and then we will see what comes next.

In my view-DeSantis is Trump without the baggage and would be much better at implementing the MAGA agenda.

Trump is the mob boss who says I'd like you to do me a favor. DeSantis is the thug he sends to rough people up to be sure they do him the favor.

In case you haven't noticed, the wheels are already falling off the DeSantis train, and he hasn't even announced his candidacy. In a Fox News poll of likely Republican primary voters released today, Trump led DeSantis 54-24 with Mike Pence at 6% and Liz Chaney and Nikki Haley at 3% each. (They had 15 names on the list for responders to choose from.) Last month, Trump only led by 43-28%. That was before DeSantis started opening his mouth.

[Weyoun]

Spock is going to be super disappointed when Trump wins the nomination over the marginally more qualified DeSantis - all because a bunch of paranoid moron-bigots need to be pushed around and led by Trump.

He’ll get a taste of what the rest of us had to deal with for four years.

[tlynn78]

Spock is going to be super disappointed when Trump wins the nomination over the marginally more qualified DeSantis - all because a bunch of paranoid moron-bigots need to be pushed around and led by Trump.

He’ll get a taste of what the rest of us had to deal with for four years.

Stable economy, no wars, safer borders, yeah, that would really suck.

[Weyoun]

Spock is going to be super disappointed when Trump wins the nomination over the marginally more qualified DeSantis - all because a bunch of paranoid moron-bigots need to be pushed around and led by Trump.

He’ll get a taste of what the rest of us had to deal with for four years.

Stable economy, no wars, safer borders, yeah, that would really suck.

Economy built on lies, passively letting Russia work its way toward war, pandemic failure, etc.

[BackInTex]

Economy built on lies, passively letting Russia work its way toward war, pandemic failure, etc.

You need to get out of the OR more. The economy was real. Maybe you didn’t see in your “progressive” state, but we saw it in Texas and I saw it in my company.

Russia? They have always been working towards war, when not actually at war. And that’s OK. It’s allowing them to actually go to war that’s the problem.

Pandemic failur? Nope. If you believe the vaccine saved us the. You believe Trump save us from further crisis.

[Weyoun]

Economy built on lies, passively letting Russia work its way toward war, pandemic failure, etc.

You need to get out of the OR more. The economy was real. Maybe you didn’t see in your “progressive” state, but we saw it in Texas and I saw it in my company.

Russia? They have always been working towards war, when not actually at war. And that’s OK. It’s allowing them to actually go to war that’s the problem.

Pandemic failur? Nope. If you believe the vaccine saved us the. You believe Trump save us from further crisis.

What derailed the economy was inflation, and that was caused by government spending that vastly outstripped revenues. Most of that pandemic money was approved by and signed it all by Donald Trump. Inflation is his fault, not Biden’s fault.

Trump’s foreign policy was built on what leaders and access would make his personal wealth increase. We’re paying the dividends with that right now with China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, among others.

Tlynn mention border security above. She’s not actually worried about fentanyl or terrorists. She’s worried about too many brown people in this country.

The funny thing is, we’re still having issues with employment and staffing. What would really help is more people to do things, and the modern Republican Party is standing in the way of that - whether it’s by limiting immigration, decreasing access to healthcare, or supporting pro-child murder gun nuttery.

[tlynn78]

Economy built on lies, passively letting Russia work its way toward war, pandemic failure, etc.

You need to get out of the OR more. The economy was real. Maybe you didn’t see in your “progressive” state, but we saw it in Texas and I saw it in my company.

Russia? They have always been working towards war, when not actually at war. And that’s OK. It’s allowing them to actually go to war that’s the problem.

Pandemic failur? Nope. If you believe the vaccine saved us the. You believe Trump save us from further crisis.

What derailed the economy was inflation, and that was caused by government spending that vastly outstripped revenues. Most of that pandemic money was approved by and signed it all by Donald Trump. Inflation is his fault, not Biden’s fault.

Trump’s foreign policy was built on what leaders and access would make his personal wealth increase. We’re paying the dividends with that right now with China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, among others.

Tlynn mention border security above. She’s not actually worried about fentanyl or terrorists. She’s worried about too many brown people in this country.

The funny thing is, we’re still having issues with employment and staffing. What would really help is more people to do things, and the modern Republican Party is standing in the way of that - whether it’s by limiting immigration, decreasing access to healthcare, or supporting pro-child murder gun nuttery.

You are a fecking idiot. I've worked in the court system for over 25 years. I know exactly what the toll of uncontrolled entry of drugs into this country is doing. And some of my favorite people are "brown people" (your words, not mine) - including two of my precious grandchildren. Don't presume you know anything about me.

[Weyoun]

I was thinking the other day about the difference between American fascism, which what some people here, practice, and traditional European style fascism.

The latter, of course, was very nationalistic, but also statist. The former is nationalist but not statist. Which is why it’s incoherent, and given to failure, if given a chance to do it thing. Because no one who adheres to it knows how to be in charge of anything, or to implement a policy.

American fascism likes guns, but not the military. They reflect the nativist and isolationist tradition of the paranoid right in the country, which is where they diverge from their European counterparts. But this also means they’re content to let the world fall apart around them, just creating problems that other Americans will have to deal with down the road.

European fascism was natalist, in that it encouraged births and a healthy population. American fascism is rooted more in fundamentals Christianity, which is why there is such focus on abortion, but not making sure that children are well fed and can go to school without being shot. Likewise, it doesn’t really care at all about the health of the population, which is why it’s completely OK with corporations overrunning medicine and our life expectancy dropping year by year.

Still, I think both are branches of the same phenomenon. Both like brutal force when needed. Both are fundamentally about a paranoid us versus them worldview. I think the only upside of American fascism is that it would only destroy our own country, not countries around us also.

So there’s that.

[Weyoun]

On another subject, I do find it hilarious that the crowd that thinks we can just shut the border down and fentanyl will magically disappear are the same folks that act like we could never possibly police the amount of guns we have in this country. Fentanyl strikes me as much easier to smuggle and much easier to illicitly make the guns are. I’m favor of trying to do what we can to contain both

[wbtravis007]

I'm basing my thinking on how we were told to interpret Maxine Waters' comments. She said "And we’ve got to get more active. We’ve got to get more confrontational." The activity and confrontations to date, when she made the comments, cost cities like Minneapolis and Portland tens of millions of dollars and 25 deaths. So "more" as I was told was not really a call for violence. What Trump said is much less specific than Waters' words.

So you’re cool with Trump because of something Maxine Waters said? Good grief.

Don’t forget Hilz.

I know that you like to think of yourself as someone who is able to intellectually cut through bullshit, but you’re just as naive and blind as any other Trump apologist who’s obsessed about owning the libs.

It makes me happy that WB has joined SSS and Numbers in spending portions of the little time he has on this earth fixating on Trump and Trump apologists and so forth.

I think Tgirl and I are both on the DeSantis train-I will ride that as far as it goes and then we will see what comes next.

In my view-DeSantis is Trump without the baggage and would be much better at implementing the MAGA agenda.

Always glad to be able to spread a little happiness.

<COUGH>what a loser<COUGH>

[silverscreenselect]

On another subject, I do find it hilarious that the crowd that thinks we can just shut the border down and fentanyl will magically disappear are the same folks that act like we could never possibly police the amount of guns we have in this country. Fentanyl strikes me as much easier to smuggle and much easier to illicitly make the guns are. I’m favor of trying to do what we can to contain both

Once again, the right wing Biden bashers are wrong and Weyoun is right. The vast majority of fentanyl comes into this country through legal points of entry, either border checkpoints or ports, not illegal mules or drug runner boats on deserted coastlines. Last month, a US citizen was stopped at a border checkpoint and they found almost a million dollars worth of fentanyl and meth in the gas tank of her pickup truck (54 pounds of fentanyl and 32 pounds of meth). Most of these smugglers are US citizens doing it for a payday, financed by the Mexican drug cartels. In the entire month of February, there were only two pounds of fentanyl seized during illegal crossings.

In FY 2022 (October 2021-September 2022) 84% of the fentanyl coming in from Mexico was seized at border checkpoints and only 16% at illegal crossings. Almost none of the drugs that come into the country do so with illegal immigrants. Seizures have been going up under Biden as well. Here's a study from the Cato Institute, which is a libertarian, predominantly right wing, free market think tank:

An NPR‐​Ipsos poll last week (September 2022) found that 39 percent of Americans and 60 percent of Republicans believe, “Most of the fentanyl entering the U.S. is smuggled in by unauthorized migrants crossing the border illegally.” A more accurate summary is that fentanyl is overwhelmingly smuggled by U.S. citizens almost entirely for U.S. citizen consumers.

In 2021, U.S. citizens were 86.3 percent of convicted fentanyl drug traffickers—ten times greater than convictions of illegal immigrants for the same offense. Over 90 percent of fentanyl seizures occur at legal crossing points or interior vehicle checkpoints, not on illegal migration routes, so U.S. citizens (who are subject to less scrutiny) when crossing legally are the best smugglers. The location of smuggling makes sense because hard drugs at ports of entry are about 97 percent less likely to be stopped than are people crossing illegally between them. Just 0.02 percent of the people arrested by Border Patrol for crossing illegally possessed any fentanyl whatsoever.

https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smug ... um-seekers

The way to limit fentanyl imports into the country is by increased detection and enforcement procedures at the legal checkpoints, not by chasing after illegal immigrants in the desert. But Republicans aren't interested in limiting the import of fentanyl. They're interested in bashing Biden.

[Bob78164]

We're about to find out. The New York Times is reporting that the indictment has been filed. --Bob