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Viktor Bout
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:52 pm
by BackInTex
Makes you wonder what Putin has on Biden and his clan.
If you voted for, and still support that vote for, Biden, well, future dead kids, downed commercial airliners and terroristic attacks are on you. This pathetic excuse for a president has unleashed a true global villain to appease who? It makes no sense in any rational world. Other than Putin has something on him.
Change my mind.
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:50 pm
by silverscreenselect
BackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:52 pm
to appease who?
No appeasement; it's getting an unjustly imprisoned American citizen back from a hostile country. I'm glad we have a president who looks out for the citizenry.
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:18 pm
by BackInTex
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:50 pm
BackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:52 pm
to appease who?
No appeasement; it's getting an unjustly imprisoned American citizen back from a hostile country. I'm glad we have a president who looks out for the citizenry.
By unleashing someone who will likely harm more than one.
So, now, support his choice of Griner over Whelan.
You are a pathetic shill. You can never admit someone on your side is fallible. You just go with whatever they do and support it, to the real detriment of many.
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:08 pm
by silverscreenselect
BackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:18 pm
So, now, support his choice of Griner over Whelan.
It wasn't Biden's choice. It was the Russians. Whelan has been charged with espionage, and the Russians would not release him for Bout. So, Biden's choice was Griner or nobody.
And you claim that Biden is somehow Putin's puppet because Putin has something on him is ridiculous. Suppose that's true. Suppose Putin has tapes of Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, Hillary Clinton, and the AFLAC goat in some sort of bizarre orgy. What does he do? Instead of ordering Biden to go easy on sanctions that are costing his country billions and slowrolling the advanced military aid that's blasting hundreds of Russian soldiers to bits every day, he decides instead to tell Biden to hold off for ten months and then release Bout.
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:53 am
by Bob78164
BackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:18 pm
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:50 pm
BackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:52 pm
to appease who?
No appeasement; it's getting an unjustly imprisoned American citizen back from a hostile country. I'm glad we have a president who looks out for the citizenry.
By unleashing someone who will likely harm more than one.
So, now, support his choice of Griner over Whelan.
You are a pathetic shrill. You can never admit someone on your side is fallible. You just go with whatever they do and support it, to the real detriment of many.
You realize, don't you, that Whelan was taken during Donny's Administration. Why didn't Donny manage to get him freed? --Bob
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:28 am
by Estonut
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:53 am
BackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:18 pm
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:50 pm
No appeasement; it's getting an unjustly imprisoned American citizen back from a hostile country. I'm glad we have a president who looks out for the citizenry.
By unleashing someone who will likely harm more than one.
So, now, support his choice of Griner over Whelan.
You are a pathetic shrill. You can never admit someone on your side is fallible. You just go with whatever they do and support it, to the real detriment of many.
You realize, don't you, that Whelan was taken during Donny's Administration. Why didn't Donny manage to get him freed?
Sounds as if he wasn't as buddy-buddy with Putin as your ilk imagines...
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:15 am
by BackInTex
Estonut wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:28 am
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:53 am
BackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:18 pm
By unleashing someone who will likely harm more than one.
So, now, support his choice of Griner over Whelan.
You are a pathetic shrill. You can never admit someone on your side is fallible. You just go with whatever they do and support it, to the real detriment of many.
You realize, don't you, that Whelan was taken during Donny's Administration. Why didn't Donny manage to get him freed?
Sounds as if he wasn't as buddy-buddy with Putin as your ilk imagines...
Also, President Trump has more respect and honor for what is right and for the safety of all Americans abroad.
If Biden will trade a man once the second most wanted man in the world aside from Osama bin Laden for a basketball player, who wouldn’t he trade for?
Bout should not have been traded under any circumstance.
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:36 am
by Spock
BackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:18 pm
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:50 pm
BackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:52 pm
to appease who?
No appeasement; it's getting an unjustly imprisoned American citizen back from a hostile country. I'm glad we have a president who looks out for the citizenry.
By unleashing someone who will likely harm more than one.
So, now, support his choice of Griner over Whelan.
You are a pathetic shill. You can never admit someone on your side is fallible. You just go with whatever they do and support it, to the real detriment of many.
Interesting, but not surprising, that SSS ignored your main point which is that Bout has been instrumental in hundreds of of thousands of deaths, maybe more, and WILL be instrumental in many more deaths. They didn't call him the Merchant of Death for nothing.
I guess SSS just wants to take the guns away from law-abiding Americans. He apparently has no problem with millions of guns being trafficked in the 3rd World to child soldiers and such. Typical racist liberal.
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:43 am
by silverscreenselect
BackInTex wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:15 am
Estonut wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:28 am
Sounds as if he wasn't as buddy-buddy with Putin as your ilk imagines...
Also, President Trump has more respect and honor for what is right and for the safety of all Americans abroad.
Trump will consider letting Russia question investor, former ambassador
7/18/18 wrote:President Donald Trump will consider allowing Russian investigators to question U.S.-born investor Bill Browder, former U.S. ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul and others after President Vladimir Putin floated the idea, White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Wednesday. In a joint press conference with Trump Monday, Putin proposed that the U.S. allow Russian officials to interview Americans in exchange for Russia allowing U.S. officials to interview Russians, such as the 12 people recently indicted for their role in hacking Democratic computer systems in 2016. “This kind of effort should be a mutual one,” Putin said Monday. “We would expect that the Americans would reciprocate.” The idea was “an incredible offer,” Trump said.
The Russian leader mentioned Browder, whom, he said, “we have an interest of questioning” over tax issues. Browder has been at odds with the Kremlin for years, including because of his advocacy for efforts to sanction Russians suspected of committing human rights violations. On Tuesday, the Russian Prosecutor General’s office released a wishlist of potential people to extradite, including members of the State and Homeland Security departments and members of the CIA. McFaul, a former ambassador who had strained relations with the Kremlin and has since said he was banned from traveling to Russia, was also included.
It would be an extraordinary step to allow Russian investigators access to current or former U.S. officials. Browder, though born in the U.S., is now a British citizen, so it is unclear how a deal involving him would work. The U.S. does not currently have an extradition treaty with Russia. U.S. Ambassador to Russia Jon Huntsman said Sunday on NBC that Moscow would “no doubt” try to change that.
Browder, who is a leading activist critic of Putin who has aided in prosecutions of Putin cronies, was scared to death of being sent to Russia when this happened. Trump later rejected the Russian suggestion, once it became public. If Putin made a similar suggestion to Joe Biden, it would have only have required the time needed to set up cameras in the White House press room for Biden to refuse Putin.
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:54 am
by tlynn78
Ignorance can be fixed - determined stupidity is a choice.
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:57 pm
by Weyoun
I agree, it’s a terrible look. At a minimum, get a couple more people back.
I think you’re being a bit breathless about this putting peoples lives in danger. The guy has been in jail for years.
But the reason Trump didn’t negotiated because he’s buddies with Putin. It’s because Putin had compromising information on him
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:35 pm
by BackInTex
Weyoun wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:57 pm
I agree, it’s a terrible look. At a minimum, get a couple more people back.
I think you’re being a bit breathless about this putting peoples lives in danger. The guy has been in jail for years.
But the reason Trump didn’t negotiated because he’s buddies with Putin. It’s because Putin had compromising information on him
Am I to infer you think the Griner/Bout deal was a negotiation?
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:53 pm
by Bob Juch
BackInTex wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:35 pm
Weyoun wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:57 pm
I agree, it’s a terrible look. At a minimum, get a couple more people back.
I think you’re being a bit breathless about this putting peoples lives in danger. The guy has been in jail for years.
But the reason Trump didn’t negotiated because he’s buddies with Putin. It’s because Putin had compromising information on him
Am I to infer you think the Griner/Bout deal was a negotiation?
You don't have to infer anything:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 858229002/
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:46 pm
by BackInTex
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 7:53 pm
BackInTex wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:35 pm
Weyoun wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:57 pm
I agree, it’s a terrible look. At a minimum, get a couple more people back.
I think you’re being a bit breathless about this putting peoples lives in danger. The guy has been in jail for years.
But the reason Trump didn’t negotiated because he’s buddies with Putin. It’s because Putin had compromising information on him
Am I to infer you think the Griner/Bout deal was a negotiation?
You don't have to infer anything:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 858229002/
If you believe that……
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:21 am
by Weyoun
BackInTex wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:35 pm
Weyoun wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:57 pm
I agree, it’s a terrible look. At a minimum, get a couple more people back.
I think you’re being a bit breathless about this putting peoples lives in danger. The guy has been in jail for years.
But the reason Trump didn’t negotiated because he’s buddies with Putin. It’s because Putin had compromising information on him
Am I to infer you think the Griner/Bout deal was a negotiation?
Yes, by definition it was. I don’t think it was a well conducted negotiation. Unfortunately this is a precedent that a semi famous American that checks numerous political hot topic boxes can be kidnapped and now traded for a murderer, but it was a negotiation nonetheless.
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:01 am
by silverscreenselect
Weyoun wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:21 am
BackInTex wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:35 pm
Weyoun wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:57 pm
I agree, it’s a terrible look. At a minimum, get a couple more people back.
I think you’re being a bit breathless about this putting peoples lives in danger. The guy has been in jail for years.
But the reason Trump didn’t negotiated because he’s buddies with Putin. It’s because Putin had compromising information on him
Am I to infer you think the Griner/Bout deal was a negotiation?
Yes, by definition it was. I don’t think it was a well conducted negotiation. Unfortunately this is a precedent that a semi famous American that checks numerous political hot topic boxes can be kidnapped and now traded for a murderer, but it was a negotiation nonetheless.
This case didn't set a precedent. Earlier this year, another US prisoner, Trevor Reed, was released in exchange for a Russian drug smuggler. Since Reed didn't have nearly as high a profile as Britney Griner, the case didn't get that much attention. Reed had been in jail for over two years when the exchange occurred.
Re: Viktor Bout
Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:25 pm
by silverscreenselect
Donald Trump wrote:What kind of a deal is it to swap Brittney Griner, a basketball player who openly hates our Country, for the man known as “The Merchant of Death,” who is one of the biggest arms dealers anywhere in the World, and responsible for tens of thousands of deaths and horrific injuries. Why wasn’t former Marine Paul Whelan included in this totally one-sided transaction? He would have been let out for the asking. What a “stupid” and unpatriotic embarrassment for the USA!!!
David Whelan, brother of Paul Whelan wrote:Former President Trump appears to have mentioned my brother #PaulWhelan's wrongful detention more in the last 24 hours than he did in the 2 years of his presidency in which Paul was held hostage by #Russia (zero). I don't suggest he cares now any more than he did then (zero)