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45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:54 pm
by kroxquo
On Truth Social today, the 45th President said:
"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION?
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!"
At what point will people who support him concede that he is a danger to democratic government? If this is not the wake up call (after so many before it), I do not know what is.
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:02 am
by BackInTex
kroxquo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:54 pm
On Truth Social today, the 45th President said:
"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION?
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!"
At what point will people who support him concede that he is a danger to democratic government? If this is not the wake up call (after so many before it), I do not know what is.
Do you have an opinion on the things he is talking about? If true, and we have no reason to think it’s not, do you not think the DNC is a threat to the democratic process?
Trump is just spitballing so ideas while the DNC actually executed theirs.
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:41 am
by Bob78164
BackInTex wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:02 am
kroxquo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:54 pm
On Truth Social today, the 45th President said:
"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION?
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!"
At what point will people who support him concede that he is a danger to democratic government? If this is not the wake up call (after so many before it), I do not know what is.
Do you have an opinion on the things he is talking about? If true, and we have no reason to think it’s not, do you not think the DNC is a threat to the democratic process?
Trump is just spitballing so ideas while the DNC actually executed theirs.
We have so much reason to think they're not true that his lawyers are getting sanctioned for pursuing his claims in court.
The only plan the DNC executed was to beat the guy fair and square. He's a loser. So are the candidates he supported in this cycle. Deal with it. --Bob
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:48 am
by kroxquo
BackInTex wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:02 am
kroxquo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:54 pm
On Truth Social today, the 45th President said:
"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION?
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!"
At what point will people who support him concede that he is a danger to democratic government? If this is not the wake up call (after so many before it), I do not know what is.
Do you have an opinion on the things he is talking about? If true, and we have no reason to think it’s not, do you not think the DNC is a threat to the democratic process?
Trump is just spitballing so ideas while the DNC actually executed theirs.
From what I have read from several different sources, the released emails from twitter indicate an internal discussion about whether to suppress the NY Post story about the laptop. There is no revelation about "massive & widespread fraud & deception," and no indication of any connection with the decision to suppress with the DNC. The 45th President's post is another example of spreading misinformation to inflame the acolytes in his cult of personality.
But let's assume for the moment that everything he says is absolutely true. Are you seriously OK with supporting a man who is so casually and blatantly advocating "terminating" (his word) the Constitution (or at least the parts of it he doesn't like)?
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:28 am
by jarnon
kroxquo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:48 am
From what I have read from several different sources, the released emails from twitter indicate an internal discussion about whether to suppress the NY Post story about the laptop. There is no revelation about "massive & widespread fraud & deception," and no indication of any connection with the decision to suppress with the DNC. The 45th President's post is another example of spreading misinformation to inflame the acolytes in his cult of personality.
In TFG's view, the FBI handled the case of Huma Abedin's laptop perfectly. Major publicity just before the 2016 election, with suggestions of wrongdoing (Clinton emails) and scandal (Weiner pics), even before the laptop's contents were examined thoroughly. The FBI, as well as mainstream and social media, were a lot more cautious in 2020, which reeks of conspiracy to him.
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:49 am
by tlynn78
If you guys had an ounce of integrity, you'd spare a moment to be honest, at least with yourselves, about how you'd be reacting if a major worldwide social platform controlled by the right did what Twitter did.
I won't hold my breath, I'll need it to mock the absurd lengths you will go to in order to protect your fragile fantasies.
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:24 pm
by Bob Juch
jarnon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 8:28 am
kroxquo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:48 am
From what I have read from several different sources, the released emails from Twitter indicate an internal discussion about whether to suppress the NY Post story about the laptop. There is no revelation about "massive & widespread fraud & deception," and no indication of any connection with the decision to suppress with the DNC. The 45th President's post is another example of spreading misinformation to inflame the acolytes in his cult of personality.
In TFG's view, the FBI handled the case of Huma Abedin's laptop perfectly. Major publicity just before the 2016 election, with suggestions of wrongdoing (Clinton emails) and scandal (Weiner pics), even before the laptop's contents were examined thoroughly. The FBI, as well as mainstream and social media, were a lot more cautious in 2020, which reeks of conspiracy to him.
Twitter had a process that allowed tweets to be deleted upon request. The Biden campaign used that for the laptop tweets. However, so did the White House for others. When the government does that, it's a First Amendment violation.
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:27 pm
by kroxquo
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:49 am
If you guys had an ounce of integrity, you'd spare a moment to be honest, at least with yourselves, about how you'd be reacting if a major worldwide social platform controlled by the right did what Twitter did.
I won't hold my breath, I'll need it to mock the absurd lengths you will go to in order to protect your fragile fantasies.
But I would ask you the same question I asked BiT - Let's assume for the moment that everything he says is absolutely true. Are you seriously OK with supporting a man who is so casually and blatantly advocating "terminating" (his word) the Constitution (or at least the parts of it he doesn't like)?
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:34 pm
by tlynn78
kroxquo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:27 pm
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:49 am
If you guys had an ounce of integrity, you'd spare a moment to be honest, at least with yourselves, about how you'd be reacting if a major worldwide social platform controlled by the right did what Twitter did.
I won't hold my breath, I'll need it to mock the absurd lengths you will go to in order to protect your fragile fantasies.
But I would ask you the same question I asked BiT - Let's assume for the moment that everything he says is absolutely true. Are you seriously OK with supporting a man who is so casually and blatantly advocating "terminating" (his word) the Constitution (or at least the parts of it he doesn't like)?
Hate to burst your bubble, but I'm all in for DeSantis, atm. I sincerely hope Trump does not get the nomination, but if he should, I will vote for him. I am able to discern fact from hypotheticals.
Maybe you could answer BiT's question?
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:30 pm
by kroxquo
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:34 pm
kroxquo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:27 pm
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:49 am
If you guys had an ounce of integrity, you'd spare a moment to be honest, at least with yourselves, about how you'd be reacting if a major worldwide social platform controlled by the right did what Twitter did.
I won't hold my breath, I'll need it to mock the absurd lengths you will go to in order to protect your fragile fantasies.
But I would ask you the same question I asked BiT - Let's assume for the moment that everything he says is absolutely true. Are you seriously OK with supporting a man who is so casually and blatantly advocating "terminating" (his word) the Constitution (or at least the parts of it he doesn't like)?
Hate to burst your bubble, but I'm all in for DeSantis, atm. I sincerely hope Trump does not get the nomination, but if he should, I will vote for him. I am able to discern fact from hypotheticals.
Maybe you could answer BiT's question?
Do I have an opinion on the things he is talking about? Yes. People who have much more training and experience in foreign intelligence than I do have stated that the issues with the Biden laptop have all the hallmarks of a disinformation campaign. I have seen nothing credible to suggest otherwise.
There also has never been any evidence that would stand up in court to suggest "massive & widespread fraud & deception" the the 45th President is alleging. Not even in the twitter email release yesterday.
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:00 pm
by tlynn78
kroxquo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:30 pm
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:34 pm
kroxquo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:27 pm
But I would ask you the same question I asked BiT - Let's assume for the moment that everything he says is absolutely true. Are you seriously OK with supporting a man who is so casually and blatantly advocating "terminating" (his word) the Constitution (or at least the parts of it he doesn't like)?
Hate to burst your bubble, but I'm all in for DeSantis, atm. I sincerely hope Trump does not get the nomination, but if he should, I will vote for him. I am able to discern fact from hypotheticals.
Maybe you could answer BiT's question?
Do I have an opinion on the things he is talking about? Yes. People who have much more training and experience in foreign intelligence than I do have stated that the issues with the Biden laptop have all the hallmarks of a disinformation campaign. I have seen nothing credible to suggest otherwise.
There also has never been any evidence that would stand up in court to suggest "massive & widespread fraud & deception" the the 45th President is alleging. Not even in the twitter email release yesterday.
Anand, we now know that those trained, experienced foreign inelligence people were lying, but that's irrelevant, right?
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:18 pm
by kroxquo
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:00 pm
kroxquo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:30 pm
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:34 pm
Hate to burst your bubble, but I'm all in for DeSantis, atm. I sincerely hope Trump does not get the nomination, but if he should, I will vote for him. I am able to discern fact from hypotheticals.
Maybe you could answer BiT's question?
Do I have an opinion on the things he is talking about? Yes. People who have much more training and experience in foreign intelligence than I do have stated that the issues with the Biden laptop have all the hallmarks of a disinformation campaign. I have seen nothing credible to suggest otherwise.
There also has never been any evidence that would stand up in court to suggest "massive & widespread fraud & deception" the the 45th President is alleging. Not even in the twitter email release yesterday.
Anand, we now know that those trained, experienced foreign inelligence people were lying, but that's irrelevant, right?
Can you direct to me a source that says they were lying? I've not seen that and I would be interested in reading that. It might change my mind.
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:00 pm
by tlynn78
kroxquo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:18 pm
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:00 pm
kroxquo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:30 pm
Do I have an opinion on the things he is talking about? Yes. People who have much more training and experience in foreign intelligence than I do have stated that the issues with the Biden laptop have all the hallmarks of a disinformation campaign. I have seen nothing credible to suggest otherwise.
There also has never been any evidence that would stand up in court to suggest "massive & widespread fraud & deception" the the 45th President is alleging. Not even in the twitter email release yesterday.
Anand, we now know that those trained, experienced foreign inelligence people were lying, but that's irrelevant, right?
Can you direct to me a source that says they were lying? I've not seen that and I would be interested in reading that. It might change my mind.
Try Newsweek, Washington Post, National Review, et al.
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:17 am
by Bob Juch
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:34 pm
kroxquo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:27 pm
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:49 am
If you guys had an ounce of integrity, you'd spare a moment to be honest, at least with yourselves, about how you'd be reacting if a major worldwide social platform controlled by the right did what Twitter did.
I won't hold my breath, I'll need it to mock the absurd lengths you will go to in order to protect your fragile fantasies.
But I would ask you the same question I asked BiT - Let's assume for the moment that everything he says is absolutely true. Are you seriously OK with supporting a man who is so casually and blatantly advocating "terminating" (his word) the Constitution (or at least the parts of it he doesn't like)?
Hate to burst your bubble, but I'm all in for DeSantis, atm. I sincerely hope Trump does not get the nomination, but if he should, I will vote for him. I am able to discern fact from hypotheticals.
Maybe you could answer BiT's question?
If you're able to discern fact from hypotheticals, why would you vote for someone who can't?
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:41 am
by tlynn78
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:17 am
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:34 pm
kroxquo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:27 pm
But I would ask you the same question I asked BiT - Let's assume for the moment that everything he says is absolutely true. Are you seriously OK with supporting a man who is so casually and blatantly advocating "terminating" (his word) the Constitution (or at least the parts of it he doesn't like)?
Hate to burst your bubble, but I'm all in for DeSantis, atm. I sincerely hope Trump does not get the nomination, but if he should, I will vote for him. I am able to discern fact from hypotheticals.
Maybe you could answer BiT's question?
If you're able to discern fact from hypotheticals, why would you vote for someone who can't?
Because even that is better than what the Dems have to offer.
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 11:17 am
by BackInTex
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:41 am
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:17 am
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:34 pm
Hate to burst your bubble, but I'm all in for DeSantis, atm. I sincerely hope Trump does not get the nomination, but if he should, I will vote for him. I am able to discern fact from hypotheticals.
Maybe you could answer BiT's question?
If you're able to discern fact from hypotheticals, why would you vote for someone who can't?
Because even that is better than what the Dems have to offer.
Man vs woman is an easy fact to discern. Let's start there.
And then we'll move on to Joe Biden as a specific example of someone who can't discern facts from memory, or fact from realaty, or facts from crayons.
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:29 pm
by Bob Juch
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:41 am
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:17 am
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:34 pm
Hate to burst your bubble, but I'm all in for DeSantis, atm. I sincerely hope Trump does not get the nomination, but if he should, I will vote for him. I am able to discern fact from hypotheticals.
Maybe you could answer BiT's question?
If you're able to discern fact from hypotheticals, why would you vote for someone who can't?
Because even that is better than what the Dems have to offer.
Who a person votes for is a reflection of their values which is a reflection of who they are as a person!
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:15 pm
by BackInTex
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:29 pm
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:41 am
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 10:17 am
If you're able to discern fact from hypotheticals, why would you vote for someone who can't?
Because even that is better than what the Dems have to offer.
Who a person votes for is a reflection of their values which is a reflection of who they are as a person!
I agree. But it’s not just what one votes for, it’s what they voted against, or even what they didn’t vote for. A vote is not a simple decision. Like you’d might vote based on a policy rather than the person.
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:22 pm
by silverscreenselect
BackInTex wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:15 pm
But it’s not just what one votes for, it’s what they voted against, or even what they didn’t vote for. A vote is not a simple decision. Like you’d might vote based on a policy rather than the person.
Geoff Duncan, the Republican lieutenant governor of Georgia (he did not run for re-election), made headlines in Georgia last week when he gave an interview in which he said he went to vote early and stayed in line for an hour. When he finally got in the voting booth, he decided he couldn't vote for either Warnock or Walker, so he turned around and went home without voting.
Most Republicans who choose not to vote tomorrow won't be as theatrical as Duncan. They will just stay home. And they'll have perfect weather to do so. It will be raining most of the day throughout Georgia.
Re: 45th President Suggests "Termination" of the Constitution
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:22 pm
by Bob Juch
If the Constitution were terminated, so would the Second Amendment.