WWTBAM Bored

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:48 pm

Let me get this straight. Elected Republicans and nominated Republicans across the country are making light of a hammer attack that gave an 82-year-old man a skull fracture, but President Biden is the asshole? Do you ever listen to yourself? --Bob

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:00 pm

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:48 pm

Let me get this straight. Elected Republicans and nominated Republicans across the country are making light of a hammer attack that gave an 82-year-old man a skull fracture, but President Biden is the asshole? Do you ever listen to yourself? --Bob

Who's making light of that? Biden is accusing repubs for it. Are you crazy?

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:09 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:00 pm

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:48 pm

Let me get this straight. Elected Republicans and nominated Republicans across the country are making light of a hammer attack that gave an 82-year-old man a skull fracture, but President Biden is the asshole? Do you ever listen to yourself? --Bob

Who's making light of that? Biden is accusing repubs for it. Are you crazy?

Seriously? You haven't seen the coverage of candidates like Kari Lake mocking the attack? Of Glenn Youngkin saying that he'll send Speaker Pelosi back to California to be with him? Read this for some additional examples.

And that's leaving aside Donny Junior tweeting a picture of a hammer on top of a pair of underwear and calling it his "Paul Pelosi Halloween costume." Your Party is seriously sick, and your Party's leaders won't do anything about it. --Bob

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:18 am

Now they're blaming Biden's lax immigration enforcement.

frogman042 wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:59 am

I try to stay out of these threads but until every republican from former President Trump on down shouts from the mountaintop that this act of violence was despicable, totally unjustified and not what we stand for in any way shape or form, then they will be tacitly responsible if attacks like this reoccur. The fact that the attacker had posted the same rhetoric that they themselves have put out there in and of itself does not make them culpable, but by not flat out condemning it (or putting their condemnation as a prelude to a sick and inappropriate joke) and in addition not telling all their supporters that not only violence is not a solution but if you participate in it or encourage it - that you are not one of them and you not only don't want their support but you will do everything in your power to ostracize them. By not during that they have sent the message that it is OK with them and that they stand with the attacker. Even some folks on this bored thought that it was OK to joke about it as if over 45,000 gun deaths in a year (2020) is somehow comparable to hammer attacks.

Until they do that they are indeed complicit in not only this horrendous act but even more to the point, they will be responsible for any further political violence that is done in their name.

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:51 pm

frogman042 wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:59 am

I try to stay out of these threads but until every republican from former President Trump on down shouts from the mountaintop that this act of violence was despicable, totally unjustified and not what we stand for in any way shape or form, then they will be tacitly responsible if attacks like this reoccur. The fact that the attacker had posted the same rhetoric that they themselves have put out there in and of itself does not make them culpable, but by not flat out condemning it (or putting their condemnation as a prelude to a sick and inappropriate joke) and in addition not telling all their supporters that not only violence is not a solution but if you participate in it or encourage it - that you are not one of them and you not only don't want their support but you will do everything in your power to ostracize them. By not during that they have sent the message that it is OK with them and that they stand with the attacker. Even some folks on this bored thought that it was OK to joke about it as if over 45,000 gun deaths in a year (2020) is somehow comparable to hammer attacks.

Until they do that they are indeed complicit in not only this horrendous act but even more to the point, they will be responsible for any further political violence that is done in their name.

The mountain top was not crowded when Steve Scalise was shot, or Rand Paul attacked. Even Pelosi's own daughter tweeted mean stuff when Rand was attacked.

Of course even TPE continues to use the "MAGA Republican" tag in his speeches call us threats to democracy. The fire is coming from both sides.

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:48 pm

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:18 am

Now they're blaming Biden's lax immigration enforcement.

That's a stretch. Yes he was here illegally but he is Canadian and overstayed his visa. Not really the issue with regards to lax immigration law enforcement.

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:09 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:00 pm

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:48 pm

Let me get this straight. Elected Republicans and nominated Republicans across the country are making light of a hammer attack that gave an 82-year-old man a skull fracture, but President Biden is the asshole? Do you ever listen to yourself? --Bob

Who's making light of that? Biden is accusing repubs for it. Are you crazy?

Seriously? You haven't seen the coverage of candidates like Kari Lake mocking the attack? Of Glenn Youngkin saying that he'll send Speaker Pelosi back to California to be with him? Read this for some additional examples.

And that's leaving aside Donny Junior tweeting a picture of a hammer on top of a pair of underwear and calling it his "Paul Pelosi Halloween costume." Your Party is seriously sick, and your Party's leaders won't do anything about it. --Bob

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:51 pm

frogman042 wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:59 am

I try to stay out of these threads but until every republican from former President Trump on down shouts from the mountaintop that this act of violence was despicable, totally unjustified and not what we stand for in any way shape or form, then they will be tacitly responsible if attacks like this reoccur. The fact that the attacker had posted the same rhetoric that they themselves have put out there in and of itself does not make them culpable, but by not flat out condemning it (or putting their condemnation as a prelude to a sick and inappropriate joke) and in addition not telling all their supporters that not only violence is not a solution but if you participate in it or encourage it - that you are not one of them and you not only don't want their support but you will do everything in your power to ostracize them. By not during that they have sent the message that it is OK with them and that they stand with the attacker. Even some folks on this bored thought that it was OK to joke about it as if over 45,000 gun deaths in a year (2020) is somehow comparable to hammer attacks.

Until they do that they are indeed complicit in not only this horrendous act but even more to the point, they will be responsible for any further political violence that is done in their name.

The mountain top was not crowded when Steve Scalise was shot, or Rand Paul attacked. Even Pelosi's own daughter tweeted mean stuff when Rand was attacked.

Of course even WPE continues to use the "MAGA Republican" tag in his speeches call us threats to democracy. The fire is coming from both sides.

This morning, the U.S. Congress suffered a despicable and cowardly attack. My thoughts and prayers are with Whip Steve Scalise and the others wounded, Capitol Police and staff, and their families. We are profoundly grateful for the heroism of the Capitol Police, whose bravery under fire undoubtedly saved countless lives. On days like today, there are no Democrats or Republicans, only Americans united in our hopes and prayers for the wounded.

I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign. I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be: Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values.

Spock wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:20 am

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:09 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:00 pm

Who's making light of that? Biden is accusing repubs for it. Are you crazy?

Seriously? You haven't seen the coverage of candidates like Kari Lake mocking the attack? Of Glenn Youngkin saying that he'll send Speaker Pelosi back to California to be with him? Read this for some additional examples.

And that's leaving aside Donny Junior tweeting a picture of a hammer on top of a pair of underwear and calling it his "Paul Pelosi Halloween costume." Your Party is seriously sick, and your Party's leaders won't do anything about it. --Bob

Just curious. With all the pearl clutching that you do-do you have to replace them every so often or what?

frogman042 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:29 am

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:51 pm

frogman042 wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:59 am

I try to stay out of these threads but until every republican from former President Trump on down shouts from the mountaintop that this act of violence was despicable, totally unjustified and not what we stand for in any way shape or form, then they will be tacitly responsible if attacks like this reoccur. The fact that the attacker had posted the same rhetoric that they themselves have put out there in and of itself does not make them culpable, but by not flat out condemning it (or putting their condemnation as a prelude to a sick and inappropriate joke) and in addition not telling all their supporters that not only violence is not a solution but if you participate in it or encourage it - that you are not one of them and you not only don't want their support but you will do everything in your power to ostracize them. By not during that they have sent the message that it is OK with them and that they stand with the attacker. Even some folks on this bored thought that it was OK to joke about it as if over 45,000 gun deaths in a year (2020) is somehow comparable to hammer attacks.

Until they do that they are indeed complicit in not only this horrendous act but even more to the point, they will be responsible for any further political violence that is done in their name.

The mountain top was not crowded when Steve Scalise was shot, or Rand Paul attacked. Even Pelosi's own daughter tweeted mean stuff when Rand was attacked.

Of course even WPE continues to use the "MAGA Republican" tag in his speeches call us threats to democracy. The fire is coming from both sides.

Let us momentarily put aside your whataboutism. Are you saying that the republicans from the former President on down, shouldn't condemn the attacks on political opponents? Shouldn't say we are not a party that promotes violent attacks on people who we disagree with? Shouldn't say that these attackers are twisting our message when they use violence? Shouldn't say to those who do resort to violence - you do not speak for us, you are not one with us, where you go, we do not go? This has nothing to do with whether the Democrats do or not do in the same behavior, this is taking responsibility for your own party and followers and making it undeniably clear that this is not who you, yourself are and that you do not want the support of those who think violence is a valid form of political action. This has nothing to do with crime in general, immigration, what the other side has done or not done. If any hate group (regardless of where on the political spectrum) try to use any of my words or actions to justify violence, I would make it unambiguously clear in every way possible that I condemn their actions, and I would do everything to ostracize them, not give a wink and a nod, play word games, or pathetically say but, but, but, well what about...

It would be nice if you could directly and sincerely answer my questions and either point to where the Republican leadership has done what I believe the should have done immediately or point out why they shouldn't have done what I think that they should have done and thereby try to prevent any future acts of horrific violence.

Regarding the horrific shooting of Steve Scalise - Here was Nancy Pelosi's immediate response:

This morning, the U.S. Congress suffered a despicable and cowardly attack. My thoughts and prayers are with Whip Steve Scalise and the others wounded, Capitol Police and staff, and their families. We are profoundly grateful for the heroism of the Capitol Police, whose bravery under fire undoubtedly saved countless lives. On days like today, there are no Democrats or Republicans, only Americans united in our hopes and prayers for the wounded.

The shooter, I believe was a Bernie Sander's supporter. This was Senator Sanders' response:

I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign. I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be: Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values.

Regarding the attack of Rand Paul, I'm not going to bother researching it because I don't think it is comparable - IIRC it was an attack by his neighbor over mowing or property boundaries or something like that - I'm not sure it was ever political violence that I'm aware of, if I'm wrong I would appreciate you citing information that it was both politically motivated and that prominent Democrats promoted it either before or after the attack.

Finally, anyone who in this day and age still continues to refuse to accept that the results of 2020 and still claim that it was stolen is indeed a threat to democracy. Here is an analogy. Lets say I'm involved in a legal dispute and it goes to court and the result is a judgement that I think was wrongly decided, so I appeal, and continually lose until the appeal process is exhausted, but I still feel it was wrongly decided - do I have the right to take the law into my own hands and by violence try to get the outcome I want or do I have to accept the consequence I don't agree with? If I lost an election I thought I legally won, and then exhaust the legal methods of challenging it, but still lost - how is not accepting the results, using violence to try to force the outcome I want, try to elect future representatives who vow to only accept results that they want but to overturn and throwout all results that they don't like not a threat to democracy? To me, democracy means accepting the results of free and fair elections, even if I don't like the outcome. What is happening is objectively counter to the definition of democracy that I provided. If throwing out the results of elections you don't like, but legally are legitimate, is not a threat to democracy - then tell me what democracy means to you?

tlynn78 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 04, 2022 1:41 pm

frogman042 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:29 am

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:51 pm

The mountain top was not crowded when Steve Scalise was shot, or Rand Paul attacked. Even Pelosi's own daughter tweeted mean stuff when Rand was attacked.

Of course even WPE continues to use the "MAGA Republican" tag in his speeches call us threats to democracy. The fire is coming from both sides.

Let us momentarily put aside your whataboutism. Are you saying that the republicans from the former President on down, shouldn't condemn the attacks on political opponents? Shouldn't say we are not a party that promotes violent attacks on people who we disagree with? Shouldn't say that these attackers are twisting our message when they use violence? Shouldn't say to those who do resort to violence - you do not speak for us, you are not one with us, where you go, we do not go? This has nothing to do with whether the Democrats do or not do in the same behavior, this is taking responsibility for your own party and followers and making it undeniably clear that this is not who you, yourself are and that you do not want the support of those who think violence is a valid form of political action. This has nothing to do with crime in general, immigration, what the other side has done or not done. If any hate group (regardless of where on the political spectrum) try to use any of my words or actions to justify violence, I would make it unambiguously clear in every way possible that I condemn their actions, and I would do everything to ostracize them, not give a wink and a nod, play word games, or pathetically say but, but, but, well what about...

It would be nice if you could directly and sincerely answer my questions and either point to where the Republican leadership has done what I believe the should have done immediately or point out why they shouldn't have done what I think that they should have done and thereby try to prevent any future acts of horrific violence.

Regarding the horrific shooting of Steve Scalise - Here was Nancy Pelosi's immediate response:

This morning, the U.S. Congress suffered a despicable and cowardly attack. My thoughts and prayers are with Whip Steve Scalise and the others wounded, Capitol Police and staff, and their families. We are profoundly grateful for the heroism of the Capitol Police, whose bravery under fire undoubtedly saved countless lives. On days like today, there are no Democrats or Republicans, only Americans united in our hopes and prayers for the wounded.

The shooter, I believe was a Bernie Sander's supporter. This was Senator Sanders' response:

I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign. I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be: Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values.

Regarding the attack of Rand Paul, I'm not going to bother researching it because I don't think it is comparable - IIRC it was an attack by his neighbor over mowing or property boundaries or something like that - I'm not sure it was ever political violence that I'm aware of, if I'm wrong I would appreciate you citing information that it was both politically motivated and that prominent Democrats promoted it either before or after the attack.

Finally, anyone who in this day and age still continues to refuse to accept that the results of 2020 and still claim that it was stolen is indeed a threat to democracy. Here is an analogy. Lets say I'm involved in a legal dispute and it goes to court and the result is a judgement that I think was wrongly decided, so I appeal, and continually lose until the appeal process is exhausted, but I still feel it was wrongly decided - do I have the right to take the law into my own hands and by violence try to get the outcome I want or do I have to accept the consequence I don't agree with? If I lost an election I thought I legally won, and then exhaust the legal methods of challenging it, but still lost - how is not accepting the results, using violence to try to force the outcome I want, try to elect future representatives who vow to only accept results that they want but to overturn and throwout all results that they don't like not a threat to democracy? To me, democracy means accepting the results of free and fair elections, even if I don't like the outcome. What is happening is objectively counter to the definition of democracy that I provided. If throwing out the results of elections you don't like, but legally are legitimate, is not a threat to democracy - then tell me what democracy means to you?

Well, it's not "every Republican" (quite a high order, there) but this was a very easy google, if you were truly interested.

McConnell: "Horrified and disgusted by the reports that Paul Pelosi was assaulted in his and Speaker Pelosi's home last night. Grateful to hear that Paul is on track to make a full recovery and that law enforcement including our stellar Capitol Police are on the case."

Senator Thune: "Horrified and disgusted by the reports that Paul Pelosi was assaulted in his and Speaker Pelosi's home last night. Grateful to hear that Paul is on track to make a full recovery and that law enforcement including our stellar Capitol Police are on the case."

Steve Scalise: "Disgusted to hear about the horrific assault on Speaker Pelosi’s husband Paul. Grateful for law enforcement’s actions to respond.
Let’s be clear: Violence has no place in this country. I’m praying for Paul Pelosi’s full recovery."

Elise Stefanik; "Wishing a full recovery for Paul from this absolutely horrific violent attack.
This criminal should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Grateful to law enforcement for their important work."

Ronna McDaniel: "The attack on Paul Pelosi last night is terrible.

This type of violence is unacceptable and we condemn it fully.
I am thankful to hear he will make a full recovery and for the police who arrested the attacker."

Kevin McCarthy: “Well, let me be perfectly clear. Violence or threat of violence has no place in our society. And what happened to Paul Pelosi is wrong.”
McCarthy said that he spoke to the House speaker, conveyed that his “thoughts and prayers” were with the family, wished her husband a “speedy recovery,” and said he hoped “we’re able to stop this crime across our country.”

There are plenty more, but I doubt you're really interested.

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 04, 2022 1:50 pm

It's a recipe for stochastic terrorism, and that's exactly what we're starting to see.

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:13 pm

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 04, 2022 1:50 pm

It's a recipe for stochastic terrorism, and that's exactly what we're starting to see.

Glad to see you're still getting the Democratic Party's email blasts.

Look, what happened to Paul Pelosi was terrible. It was a crime and I hope that the perp receives punishment to the full extent of the law. But I'll be honest, it is hard to feel bad for someone who's wife, and I'll assume him, could give a shit about the 1,000s of other victims of crime based on their policies and support for those who implement the policies that put normal citizens at much greater risk than themselves.

tlynn78 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 04, 2022 1:41 pm

frogman042 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:29 am

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:51 pm

The mountain top was not crowded when Steve Scalise was shot, or Rand Paul attacked. Even Pelosi's own daughter tweeted mean stuff when Rand was attacked.

Of course even WPE continues to use the "MAGA Republican" tag in his speeches call us threats to democracy. The fire is coming from both sides.

Let us momentarily put aside your whataboutism. Are you saying that the republicans from the former President on down, shouldn't condemn the attacks on political opponents? Shouldn't say we are not a party that promotes violent attacks on people who we disagree with? Shouldn't say that these attackers are twisting our message when they use violence? Shouldn't say to those who do resort to violence - you do not speak for us, you are not one with us, where you go, we do not go? This has nothing to do with whether the Democrats do or not do in the same behavior, this is taking responsibility for your own party and followers and making it undeniably clear that this is not who you, yourself are and that you do not want the support of those who think violence is a valid form of political action. This has nothing to do with crime in general, immigration, what the other side has done or not done. If any hate group (regardless of where on the political spectrum) try to use any of my words or actions to justify violence, I would make it unambiguously clear in every way possible that I condemn their actions, and I would do everything to ostracize them, not give a wink and a nod, play word games, or pathetically say but, but, but, well what about...

It would be nice if you could directly and sincerely answer my questions and either point to where the Republican leadership has done what I believe the should have done immediately or point out why they shouldn't have done what I think that they should have done and thereby try to prevent any future acts of horrific violence.

Regarding the horrific shooting of Steve Scalise - Here was Nancy Pelosi's immediate response:

This morning, the U.S. Congress suffered a despicable and cowardly attack. My thoughts and prayers are with Whip Steve Scalise and the others wounded, Capitol Police and staff, and their families. We are profoundly grateful for the heroism of the Capitol Police, whose bravery under fire undoubtedly saved countless lives. On days like today, there are no Democrats or Republicans, only Americans united in our hopes and prayers for the wounded.

The shooter, I believe was a Bernie Sander's supporter. This was Senator Sanders' response:

I have just been informed that the alleged shooter at the Republican baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign. I am sickened by this despicable act. Let me be as clear as I can be: Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms. Real change can only come about through nonviolent action, and anything else runs against our most deeply held American values.

Regarding the attack of Rand Paul, I'm not going to bother researching it because I don't think it is comparable - IIRC it was an attack by his neighbor over mowing or property boundaries or something like that - I'm not sure it was ever political violence that I'm aware of, if I'm wrong I would appreciate you citing information that it was both politically motivated and that prominent Democrats promoted it either before or after the attack.

Finally, anyone who in this day and age still continues to refuse to accept that the results of 2020 and still claim that it was stolen is indeed a threat to democracy. Here is an analogy. Lets say I'm involved in a legal dispute and it goes to court and the result is a judgement that I think was wrongly decided, so I appeal, and continually lose until the appeal process is exhausted, but I still feel it was wrongly decided - do I have the right to take the law into my own hands and by violence try to get the outcome I want or do I have to accept the consequence I don't agree with? If I lost an election I thought I legally won, and then exhaust the legal methods of challenging it, but still lost - how is not accepting the results, using violence to try to force the outcome I want, try to elect future representatives who vow to only accept results that they want but to overturn and throwout all results that they don't like not a threat to democracy? To me, democracy means accepting the results of free and fair elections, even if I don't like the outcome. What is happening is objectively counter to the definition of democracy that I provided. If throwing out the results of elections you don't like, but legally are legitimate, is not a threat to democracy - then tell me what democracy means to you?

Well, it's not "every Republican" (quite a high order, there) but this was a very easy google, if you were truly interested.

McConnell: "Horrified and disgusted by the reports that Paul Pelosi was assaulted in his and Speaker Pelosi's home last night. Grateful to hear that Paul is on track to make a full recovery and that law enforcement including our stellar Capitol Police are on the case."

Senator Thune: "Horrified and disgusted by the reports that Paul Pelosi was assaulted in his and Speaker Pelosi's home last night. Grateful to hear that Paul is on track to make a full recovery and that law enforcement including our stellar Capitol Police are on the case."

Steve Scalise: "Disgusted to hear about the horrific assault on Speaker Pelosi’s husband Paul. Grateful for law enforcement’s actions to respond.
Let’s be clear: Violence has no place in this country. I’m praying for Paul Pelosi’s full recovery."

Elise Stefanik; "Wishing a full recovery for Paul from this absolutely horrific violent attack.
This criminal should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Grateful to law enforcement for their important work."

Ronna McDaniel: "The attack on Paul Pelosi last night is terrible.

This type of violence is unacceptable and we condemn it fully.
I am thankful to hear he will make a full recovery and for the police who arrested the attacker."

Kevin McCarthy: “Well, let me be perfectly clear. Violence or threat of violence has no place in our society. And what happened to Paul Pelosi is wrong.”
McCarthy said that he spoke to the House speaker, conveyed that his “thoughts and prayers” were with the family, wished her husband a “speedy recovery,” and said he hoped “we’re able to stop this crime across our country.”

There are plenty more, but I doubt you're really interested.