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Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:37 pm

http://amp.thecomeback.com/nfl/kari-lak ... -bowl.html

Kari Lake, the Republican nominee for governor of Arizona, recently said in an interview with AZ-TV7 that she will cancel the Super Bowl LVII, scheduled to take place in February in Glendale if the NFL goes against her planned immigration policies that call for confronting migrants with United States military troops.

Citing fentanyl, Kari Lake said she is willing to shut down the NFL’s Super Bowl in order to implement her proposed Republican border policies which includes confronting migrants with armed troops,” PatriotTakes wrote.

Lake’s quote, in full:

“You want to tell me, that a bunch of football teams, owned by billionaires, are okay with fentanyl pouring across our border at a record level, killing young people? The No. 1 killer is fentanyl. 18-45. It’s killing a generation of people. If the NFL is okay with that, then they need to do some soul-searching. I don’t think the NFL is that stupid, I really don’t.

“[…] But, I’m not going to be taking marching orders from the NFL. I’m going to be taking marching orders from the people of Arizona.”

Lake, a longtime proponent of former president Donald Trump, is running against Democratic incumbent Katie Hobbs. The 2022 midterm elections are set for Nov. 8th. Lake leads by one percentage point in the most recent poll, well within the poll’s margin of error.

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I hope that kills her chances of being elected.

She's dead wrong about migrants bringing in fentanyl. It's coming in by smugglers through the ports of entry.

tlynn78 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:19 pm

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:37 pm

http://amp.thecomeback.com/nfl/kari-lak ... -bowl.html

Kari Lake, the Republican nominee for governor of Arizona, recently said in an interview with AZ-TV7 that she will cancel the Super Bowl LVII, scheduled to take place in February in Glendale if the NFL goes against her planned immigration policies that call for confronting migrants with United States military troops.

Citing fentanyl, Kari Lake said she is willing to shut down the NFL’s Super Bowl in order to implement her proposed Republican border policies which includes confronting migrants with armed troops,” PatriotTakes wrote.

Lake’s quote, in full:

“You want to tell me, that a bunch of football teams, owned by billionaires, are okay with fentanyl pouring across our border at a record level, killing young people? The No. 1 killer is fentanyl. 18-45. It’s killing a generation of people. If the NFL is okay with that, then they need to do some soul-searching. I don’t think the NFL is that stupid, I really don’t.

“[…] But, I’m not going to be taking marching orders from the NFL. I’m going to be taking marching orders from the people of Arizona.”

Lake, a longtime proponent of former president Donald Trump, is running against Democratic incumbent Katie Hobbs. The 2022 midterm elections are set for Nov. 8th. Lake leads by one percentage point in the most recent poll, well within the poll’s margin of error.

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I hope that kills her chances of being elected.

She's dead wrong about migrants bringing in fentanyl. It's coming in by smugglers through the ports of entry.

Do you even read the crap you post? She didn't (per the very quote you used) say "migrants" are bringing in fentanyl - are you going to deny it's pouring over our unsecured borders? I saw a video last night of "migrants" crossing an unsecured border with large bags, which they threw into the trunk of a car waiting for them, and they ran back across the border. The local PD got the car - guess what?? The bags were NOT filled with clothing and blankets, diapers and the like! Arizona could, has, and probably will in the future, elect far worse than Kari Lake.

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 25, 2022 6:46 pm

tlynn78 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:19 pm

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:37 pm

http://amp.thecomeback.com/nfl/kari-lak ... -bowl.html

Kari Lake, the Republican nominee for governor of Arizona, recently said in an interview with AZ-TV7 that she will cancel the Super Bowl LVII, scheduled to take place in February in Glendale if the NFL goes against her planned immigration policies that call for confronting migrants with United States military troops.

Citing fentanyl, Kari Lake said she is willing to shut down the NFL’s Super Bowl in order to implement her proposed Republican border policies which includes confronting migrants with armed troops,” PatriotTakes wrote.

Lake’s quote, in full:

“You want to tell me, that a bunch of football teams, owned by billionaires, are okay with fentanyl pouring across our border at a record level, killing young people? The No. 1 killer is fentanyl. 18-45. It’s killing a generation of people. If the NFL is okay with that, then they need to do some soul-searching. I don’t think the NFL is that stupid, I really don’t.

“[…] But, I’m not going to be taking marching orders from the NFL. I’m going to be taking marching orders from the people of Arizona.”

Lake, a longtime proponent of former president Donald Trump, is running against Democratic incumbent Katie Hobbs. The 2022 midterm elections are set for Nov. 8th. Lake leads by one percentage point in the most recent poll, well within the poll’s margin of error.

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I hope that kills her chances of being elected.

She's dead wrong about migrants bringing in fentanyl. It's coming in by smugglers through the ports of entry.

Do you even read the crap you post? She didn't (per the very quote you used) say "migrants" are bringing in fentanyl - are you going to deny it's pouring over our unsecured borders? I saw a video last night of "migrants" crossing an unsecured border with large bags, which they threw into the trunk of a car waiting for them, and they ran back across the border. The local PD got the car - guess what?? The bags were NOT filled with clothing and blankets, diapers and the like! Arizona could, has, and probably will in the future, elect far worse than Kari Lake.

I have to wonder how someone was able to shoot a video of that without being shot themselves. Where did this happen? If there were local police that got the car, you can't say the border was unsecured.

tlynn78 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:19 pm

Do you even read the crap you post? She didn't (per the very quote you used) say "migrants" are bringing in fentanyl - are you going to deny it's pouring over our unsecured borders? I saw a video last night of "migrants" crossing an unsecured border with large bags, which they threw into the trunk of a car waiting for them, and they ran back across the border. The local PD got the car - guess what?? The bags were NOT filled with clothing and blankets, diapers and the like! Arizona could, has, and probably will in the future, elect far worse than Kari Lake.

Fentanyl overdoses tragically caused tens of thousands of preventable deaths last year. Many politicians who want to end U.S. asylum law claim that immigrants crossing the border illegally are responsible. An NPR‐​Ipsos poll last week found that 39 percent of Americans and 60 percent of Republicans believe, “Most of the fentanyl entering the U.S. is smuggled in by unauthorized migrants crossing the border illegally.” A more accurate summary is that fentanyl is overwhelmingly smuggled by U.S. citizens almost entirely for U.S. citizen consumers.

-In 2021, U.S. citizens were 86.3 percent of convicted fentanyl drug traffickers—ten times greater than convictions of illegal immigrants for the same offense.

-Over 90 percent of fentanyl seizures occur at legal crossing points or interior vehicle checkpoints, not on illegal migration routes, so U.S. citizens (who are subject to less scrutiny) when crossing legally are the best smugglers.

-The location of smuggling makes sense because hard drugs at ports of entry are about 97 percent less likely to be stopped than are people crossing illegally between them.

-Just 0.02 percent of the people arrested by Border Patrol for crossing illegally possessed any fentanyl whatsoever.

-During the travel restrictions, fentanyl seizures at ports quadrupled from fiscal year 2019 to 2021. Fentanyl went from a third of combined heroin and fentanyl seizures to over 90 percent.

It is monstrous that tens of thousands of people are dying unnecessarily every year from fentanyl. But banning asylum and limiting travel backfired. Reducing deaths requires figuring out the cause, not jumping to blame a group that is not responsible. Instead of attacking immigrants, policymakers should focus on effective solutions that help people at risk of a fentanyl overdose.

Despite the idea's sticking power in certain circles, it's inaccurate to say that undocumented immigrants crossing an open border are chiefly responsible for fentanyl arriving at the country's doors. In reality, U.S. citizens carrying the drug through legal ports of entry are primarily to blame. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has reported an upward trend in fentanyl seizures over the past few years. From 2,800 pounds seized in FY 2019, CBP seized 11,200 pounds of fentanyl in FY 2021 and 12,900 pounds in FY 2022 through the end of August. Seizures conducted by two distinct bodies within CBP combine to yield those numbers. The first, the Office of Field Operations (OFO), enforces immigration and customs laws at ports of entry—points where someone may lawfully enter the United States. The second is U.S. Border Patrol, which intercepts undocumented individuals and illegally imported goods between those ports of entry.

The vast majority of fentanyl seized in recent years has been obtained by the OFO, not Border Patrol. The drug was mainly seized from smugglers at legal ports of entry, not illegal border crossings. OFO seizures amounted to 2,600 pounds in 2019 (93 percent of the total fentanyl seized by CBP), 4,000 pounds in 2020 (83 percent), 10,200 pounds in 2021 (91 percent), and 10,900 pounds so far in 2022 (84 percent). The Drug Enforcement Agency confirms the port trend, saying that "the most common method employed [by Mexican cartels] involves smuggling illicit drugs through U.S. [ports of entry] in passenger vehicles with concealed compartments or commingled with legitimate goods on tractor-trailers."

Per David Bier, associate director of immigration studies at the Cato Institute, some people might wrongly think that "less fentanyl is interdicted between ports of entry because it is more difficult to detect there." But Bier notes that it's far easier for smugglers to conceal drugs while entering the U.S. at legal crossings (i.e., in vehicles) than it is for someone to cross the border undetected. "We've seen some instances perhaps of migrants and drugs as a mixed event," said Brian Sulc, executive director of the Department of Homeland Security's Transnational Organized Crime Mission Center, in congressional testimony in May. "But they're still rare."

The fact that so much fentanyl smuggling takes place at legal border crossings helps explain why U.S. citizens are the main traffickers there. "In order to smuggle fentanyl through a port of entry, cartels hire primarily U.S. citizens, who are the least likely to attract heightened scrutiny when crossing into the United States," writes Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, policy director at the American Immigration Council. Reichlin-Melnick analyzed every CBP press release and official Twitter post mentioning fentanyl seizures from December 2021 to May 2022. Only two involved people crossing between ports of entry, and of the 42 incidents where CBP mentioned a smuggler's nationality, 33—or 79 percent—involved U.S. citizens.

Data from the U.S. Sentencing Commission (USSC) highlight a similar national trend. From FY 2015 through FY 2021, the USSC reported 4,459 people charged with federal fentanyl trafficking; just 659 of them were noncitizens. Most Border Patrol drug seizures at checkpoints from FY 2016 through FY 2020 involved only U.S. citizens carrying marijuana, according to a Government Accountability Office report published in June. Of all drug seizures during that period, 91 percent involved just U.S. citizens, while 4 percent involved "potentially removable people."

In reality, Border Patrol apprehends an exceedingly small number of people carrying fentanyl. "Just 279 of 1.8 million arrests by Border Patrol of illegal border crossers resulted in a fentanyl seizure—too small of a percentage (0.02 percent) to appear on a graph," writes Bier, "and many of these seizures occurred at vehicle checkpoints of legal travelers in the interior of the United States." Though it's obviously difficult to predict how much fentanyl could be carried by migrants who go unapprehended by Border Patrol, the tiny share of apprehended migrants who are found carrying fentanyl suggests that amount could be quite small.

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:41 am

Another right-wing myth down the drain.

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:20 am

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:41 am

Another right-wing myth down the drain.

Not necessarily.

What you quoted is a story about the fentanyl seized. The fentanyl seized is not a problem. The problem is the fentanyl not seized.

And of course if (and that is a big IF) equal amounts of fentanyl are coming through legal ports of entry and through illegal border crossings then it makes sense that more seizures would be at the ports of entry as every single crossing is recored, monitored, and randomly checked.

The number of illegal crossings is not even known simply because each mile of the border is not actively and continuously monitored.

It makes sense that most of the seizures at the ports of entry are citizens because, well, that's where the citizens come in. Illegals don't come in via the ports of entry, especially if they are carrying contraband. To say most fentanyl is brought in to the country by citizens completely ignores the fact that there is a huge unknown volume making its way through illegal border crossings. And the WPE has no concern about it.

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 26, 2022 9:05 am

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:20 am

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:41 am

Another right-wing myth down the drain.

Not necessarily.

What you quoted is a story about the fentanyl seized. The fentanyl seized is not a problem. The problem is the fentanyl not seized.

And of course if (and that is a big IF) equal amounts of fentanyl are coming through legal ports of entry and through illegal border crossings then it makes sense that more seizures would be at the ports of entry as every single crossing is recored, monitored, and randomly checked.

The number of illegal crossings is not even known simply because each mile of the border is not actively and continuously monitored.

It makes sense that most of the seizures at the ports of entry are citizens because, well, that's where the citizens come in. Illegals don't come in via the ports of entry, especially if they are carrying contraband. To say most fentanyl is brought in to the country by citizens completely ignores the fact that there is a huge unknown volume making its way through illegal border crossings. And the WPE has no concern about it.

Perhaps you missed the section I underlined that stated that only 279 of the 1.8 million arrests resulted in a fentanyl seizure. Of course, some people carrying fentanyl get through, but unless you assume that these migrants and their coyotes are far more adept at avoiding capture than all the others trying to enter the country, then it's still an extremely small part of the problem.

Another statistic you may have missed: "The location of smuggling makes sense because hard drugs at ports of entry are about 97 percent less likely to be stopped than are people crossing illegally between them." Cartels may be a lot of things, but they're not stupid. If it was easier and safer (for the cartels) to bring drugs in with migrants on foot, they would be doing lots more of it.

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:17 pm

https://twitter.com/richardgrenell/stat ... n0RXfCqehg

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 31, 2022 11:42 am

The story is getting wierd and you can't trust the Democratically run news orgs. They will hide it until after the election, just like the did with the Hunter Biden laptop story.

San Francisco...
Gay bars close at 2:00 AM
Shortly after 2:00 AM two adult men in their underwear are having a fight
One called 911 and said he was a "friend" and his name is David.
A thrid person, not identified by the police or news (you have to wonder why if you're interested in the truth) let the police in.
A sliding glass door is left open.
Paul attacked once the police arrive, but not before.
And the police chief is playing Sgt Schultz. The spouse of the 3rd person in line to the president is attacked and he "knows nothing".

I certainly hope Paul makes a full recovery, but also hope the full story comes out as soon as it's known.

DEPAPE stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her. If Nancy were to tell DEPAPE the “truth,” he would let her go, and if she “lied,” he
was going to break “her kneecaps.” DEPAPE was certain that Nancy would not have told the “truth.” In the course of the interview, DEPAPE articulated he
viewed Nancy as the “leader of the pack” of lies told by the Democratic Party. DEPAPE also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then
have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other Members of Congress there were consequences to actions. DEPAPE also explained generally that he
wanted to use Nancy to lure another individual to DEPAPE.

DEPAPE stated that he broke into the house through a glass door, which was a difficult task that required the use of a hammer. DEPAPE stated that Pelosi was in
bed and appeared surprised by DEPAPE. DEPAPE told Pelosi to wake up. DEPAPE told Pelosi that he was looking for Nancy. Pelosi responded that she was not present. Pelosi asked how they could resolve the situation, and what DEPAPE wanted to do. DEPAPE stated he wanted to tie Pelosi up so that DEPAPE could go to sleep as he was tired from having had to carry a backpack to the Pelosi residence. Around this time, according to DEPAPE, DEPAPE started taking out twist ties from his pocket so that he could restrain Pelosi. Pelosi moved towards another part of the house, but DEPAPE stopped him and together they went back into the bedroom.

While talking with each other, Pelosi went into a bathroom, where Pelosi grabbed a phone to call 9-1-1. DEPAPE stated he felt like Pelosi’s actions compelled him
to respond. DEPAPE remembered thinking that there was no way the police were going to forget about the phone call. DEPAPE explained that he did not leave after Pelosi’s call to 9-1-1 because, much like the American founding fathers with the British, he was fighting against tyranny without the option of surrender. DEPAPE reiterated this sentiment elsewhere in the interview.

DEPAPE stated that they went downstairs to the front door. The police arrived and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it. Pelosi grabbed onto
DEPAPE’s hammer, which was in DEPAPE’s hand. At this point in the interview, DEPAPE repeated that DEPAPE did not plan to surrender and that he
would go “through” Pelosi. DEPAPE stated that he pulled the hammer away from Pelosi and swung the hammer towards Pelosi. DEPAPE explained that Pelosi’s actions resulted in Pelosi “taking the punishment instead.”

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:14 pm

Here's the affidavit that was filed in support of the federal arrest warrant against DePape. Much of the most damaging material comes from DePape's own confession (he's not the sharpest tool in the shed):

DEPAPE stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her. If Nancy were to tell DEPAPE the “truth,” he would let her go, and if she “lied,” he
was going to break “her kneecaps.” DEPAPE was certain that Nancy would not have told the “truth.” In the course of the interview, DEPAPE articulated he
viewed Nancy as the “leader of the pack” of lies told by the Democratic Party. DEPAPE also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then
have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other Members of Congress there were consequences to actions. DEPAPE also explained generally that he
wanted to use Nancy to lure another individual to DEPAPE.

DEPAPE stated that he broke into the house through a glass door, which was a difficult task that required the use of a hammer. DEPAPE stated that Pelosi was in
bed and appeared surprised by DEPAPE. DEPAPE told Pelosi to wake up. DEPAPE told Pelosi that he was looking for Nancy. Pelosi responded that she was not present. Pelosi asked how they could resolve the situation, and what DEPAPE wanted to do. DEPAPE stated he wanted to tie Pelosi up so that DEPAPE could go to sleep as he was tired from having had to carry a backpack to the Pelosi residence. Around this time, according to DEPAPE, DEPAPE started taking out twist ties from his pocket so that he could restrain Pelosi. Pelosi moved towards another part of the house, but DEPAPE stopped him and together they went back into the bedroom.

While talking with each other, Pelosi went into a bathroom, where Pelosi grabbed a phone to call 9-1-1. DEPAPE stated he felt like Pelosi’s actions compelled him
to respond. DEPAPE remembered thinking that there was no way the police were going to forget about the phone call. DEPAPE explained that he did not leave after Pelosi’s call to 9-1-1 because, much like the American founding fathers with the British, he was fighting against tyranny without the option of surrender. DEPAPE reiterated this sentiment elsewhere in the interview.

DEPAPE stated that they went downstairs to the front door. The police arrived and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it. Pelosi grabbed onto
DEPAPE’s hammer, which was in DEPAPE’s hand. At this point in the interview, DEPAPE repeated that DEPAPE did not plan to surrender and that he
would go “through” Pelosi. DEPAPE stated that he pulled the hammer away from Pelosi and swung the hammer towards Pelosi. DEPAPE explained that Pelosi’s actions resulted in Pelosi “taking the punishment instead.”

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-relea ... 6/download

This is a dangerous nutcase who was brutalizing an 82-year-old man he woke up in the middle of the night. This is not a gay lover's spat gone bad.

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:58 pm

Unitl 50, no make that 51 officers confirm that story I won't believe it. Better make it 52, 51 were wrong (or lying, probably lying) about the Hunter Biden laptop. Maybe there's an honest one out of 52.

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:58 pm

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:14 pm

Here's the affidavit that was filed in support of the federal arrest warrant against DePape. Much of the most damaging material comes from DePape's own confession (he's not the sharpest tool in the shed):

DEPAPE stated that he was going to hold Nancy hostage and talk to her. If Nancy were to tell DEPAPE the “truth,” he would let her go, and if she “lied,” he
was going to break “her kneecaps.” DEPAPE was certain that Nancy would not have told the “truth.” In the course of the interview, DEPAPE articulated he
viewed Nancy as the “leader of the pack” of lies told by the Democratic Party. DEPAPE also later explained that by breaking Nancy’s kneecaps, she would then
have to be wheeled into Congress, which would show other Members of Congress there were consequences to actions. DEPAPE also explained generally that he
wanted to use Nancy to lure another individual to DEPAPE.

DEPAPE stated that he broke into the house through a glass door, which was a difficult task that required the use of a hammer. DEPAPE stated that Pelosi was in
bed and appeared surprised by DEPAPE. DEPAPE told Pelosi to wake up. DEPAPE told Pelosi that he was looking for Nancy. Pelosi responded that she was not present. Pelosi asked how they could resolve the situation, and what DEPAPE wanted to do. DEPAPE stated he wanted to tie Pelosi up so that DEPAPE could go to sleep as he was tired from having had to carry a backpack to the Pelosi residence. Around this time, according to DEPAPE, DEPAPE started taking out twist ties from his pocket so that he could restrain Pelosi. Pelosi moved towards another part of the house, but DEPAPE stopped him and together they went back into the bedroom.

While talking with each other, Pelosi went into a bathroom, where Pelosi grabbed a phone to call 9-1-1. DEPAPE stated he felt like Pelosi’s actions compelled him
to respond. DEPAPE remembered thinking that there was no way the police were going to forget about the phone call. DEPAPE explained that he did not leave after Pelosi’s call to 9-1-1 because, much like the American founding fathers with the British, he was fighting against tyranny without the option of surrender. DEPAPE reiterated this sentiment elsewhere in the interview.

DEPAPE stated that they went downstairs to the front door. The police arrived and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it. Pelosi grabbed onto
DEPAPE’s hammer, which was in DEPAPE’s hand. At this point in the interview, DEPAPE repeated that DEPAPE did not plan to surrender and that he
would go “through” Pelosi. DEPAPE stated that he pulled the hammer away from Pelosi and swung the hammer towards Pelosi. DEPAPE explained that Pelosi’s actions resulted in Pelosi “taking the punishment instead.”

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-relea ... 6/download

This is a dangerous nutcase who was brutalizing an 82-year-old man he woke up in the middle of the night. This is not a gay lover's spat gone bad.

Unitl 50, no make that 51 officers confirm that story I won't believe it. Better make it 52, 51 were wrong (or lying, probably lying) about the Hunter Biden laptop. Maybe there's an honest one out of 52.

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:39 am

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:58 pm

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:14 pm

Here's the affidavit that was filed in support of the federal arrest warrant against DePape. Much of the most damaging material comes from DePape's own confession (he's not the sharpest tool in the shed):



https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-relea ... 6/download

This is a dangerous nutcase who was brutalizing an 82-year-old man he woke up in the middle of the night. This is not a gay lover's spat gone bad.

Unitl 50, no make that 51 officers confirm that story I won't believe it. Better make it 52, 51 were wrong (or lying, probably lying) about the Hunter Biden laptop. Maybe there's an honest one out of 52.

Are you talking about these 51 intelligence officers who had served under Presidents of both parties who are trained in recognizing disinformation and issued a joint statement that the laptop was probably part of the Russian disinformation campaign? Please tell me where their statement has been refuted.

Estonut wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:49 am

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:39 am

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:58 pm

Unitl 50, no make that 51 officers confirm that story I won't believe it. Better make it 52, 51 were wrong (or lying, probably lying) about the Hunter Biden laptop. Maybe there's an honest one out of 52.

Are you talking about these 51 intelligence officers who had served under Presidents of both parties who are trained in recognizing disinformation and issued a joint statement that the laptop was probably part of the Russian disinformation campaign? Please tell me where their statement has been refuted.

It refuted itself. Did you actually read the statement, or just believe the MSM? Not one of those "experts" examined nor had any actual knowledge about the contents of the laptop. Their statement was bullshit, except where they admitted they were just guessing.

Estonut wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:49 am

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:39 am

BackInTex wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:58 pm

Unitl 50, no make that 51 officers confirm that story I won't believe it. Better make it 52, 51 were wrong (or lying, probably lying) about the Hunter Biden laptop. Maybe there's an honest one out of 52.

Are you talking about these 51 intelligence officers who had served under Presidents of both parties who are trained in recognizing disinformation and issued a joint statement that the laptop was probably part of the Russian disinformation campaign? Please tell me where their statement has been refuted.

It refuted itself. Did you actually read the statement, or just believe the MSM? Not one of those "experts" examined nor had any actual knowledge about the contents of the laptop. Their statement was bullshit, except where they admitted they were just guessing.

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:47 am

Estonut wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:49 am

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:39 am

Are you talking about these 51 intelligence officers who had served under Presidents of both parties who are trained in recognizing disinformation and issued a joint statement that the laptop was probably part of the Russian disinformation campaign? Please tell me where their statement has been refuted.

It refuted itself. Did you actually read the statement, or just believe the MSM? Not one of those "experts" examined nor had any actual knowledge about the contents of the laptop. Their statement was bullshit, except where they admitted they were just guessing.

I had not read the whole statement when I posted, so it is a fair point. Here is the statement in full:

"Public Statement on the Hunter Biden Emails
October 19, 2020
We are all individuals who devoted significant portions of our lives to national security. Some of us served in senior positions in policy departments and agencies, and some of us served in senior positions in the Intelligence Community. Some of us were political appointees, and some were career officials. Many of us worked for presidents of both political parties.

We are all also individuals who see Russia as one of our nation’s primary adversaries. All of us have an understanding of the wide range of Russian overt and covert activities that undermine US national security, with some of us knowing Russian behavior intimately, as we worked to defend our nation against it for a career. A few of us worked against Russian information operations in the United States in the last several years.

Perhaps most important, each of us believes deeply that American citizens should determine the outcome of elections, not foreign governments. All of us agree with the founding fathers’ concern about the damage that foreign interference in our politics can do to our democracy. [Emphasis Theirs]

It is for all these reasons that we write to say that the arrival on the US political scene of emails purportedly belonging to Vice President Biden’s son Hunter, much of it related to his time serving on the Board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.

We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.

If we are right, this is Russia trying to influence how Americans vote in this election, and we believe strongly that Americans need to be aware of this. [Emphasis Theirs]

There are a number of factors that make us suspicious of Russian involvement.

Such an operation would be consistent with Russian objectives, as outlined publicly and recently by the Intelligence Community, to create political chaos in the United States and to deepen political divisions here but also to undermine the candidacy of former Vice President Biden and thereby help the candidacy of President Trump. For the Russians at this point, with Trump down in the polls, there is incentive for Moscow to pull out the stops to do anything possible to help Trump win and/or to weaken Biden should he win. A “laptop op” fits the bill, as the publication of the emails are clearly designed to discredit Biden.

Such an operation would be consistent with some of the key methods Russia has used in its now multi-year operation to interfere in our democracy – the hacking (via cyber operations) and the dumping of accurate information or the distribution of inaccurate or misinformation. Russia did both of these during the 2016 presidential election – judgments shared by the US Intelligence Community, the investigation into Russian activities by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and the entirety (all Republicans and Democrats) on the current Senate Intelligence Committee.

Such an operation is also consistent with several data points. The Russians, according to media reports and cybersecurity experts, targeted Burisma late last year for cyber collection and gained access to its emails. And Ukrainian politician and businessman Adriy Derkach, identified and sanctioned by the US Treasury Department for being a 10-year Russian agent interfering in the 2020 election, passed purported materials on Burisma and Hunter Biden to Giuliani.

Our view that the Russians are involved in the Hunter Biden email issue is consistent with two other significant data points as well. According to the Washington Post, citing four sources, “U.S. intelligence agencies warned the White House last year that Giuliani was the target of an influence operation by Russian intelligence.”

In addition, media reports say that the FBI has now opened an investigation into Russian involvement in this case. According to USA Today, “...federal authorities are investigating whether the material supplied to the New York Post by Rudy Giuliani...is part of a smoke bomb of disinformation pushed by Russia.”

We do not know whether these press reports are accurate, but they do suggest concern within Executive Branch departments and agencies that mirrors ours. It is high time that Russia stops interfering in our democracy. [Emphasis Theirs]"

I am not seeing where this statement "refutes itself." It is exactly what it purports to be - a statement that the Biden laptop would be entirely consistent with an ongoing Russian campaign to undermine American democracy and that there are indications (but not proof) that it is. So I would like to ask again - where is the counterpoint to this saying that these experts are at best wrong or at worse lying?

Estonut wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:59 am

kroxquo wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 01, 2022 7:47 am

Estonut wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:49 am

It refuted itself. Did you actually read the statement, or just believe the MSM? Not one of those "experts" examined nor had any actual knowledge about the contents of the laptop. Their statement was bullshit, except where they admitted they were just guessing.

I had not read the whole statement when I posted, so it is a fair point. Here is the statement in full:

"Public Statement on the Hunter Biden Emails
October 19, 2020
We are all individuals who devoted significant portions of our lives to national security. Some of us served in senior positions in policy departments and agencies, and some of us served in senior positions in the Intelligence Community. Some of us were political appointees, and some were career officials. Many of us worked for presidents of both political parties.

We are all also individuals who see Russia as one of our nation’s primary adversaries. All of us have an understanding of the wide range of Russian overt and covert activities that undermine US national security, with some of us knowing Russian behavior intimately, as we worked to defend our nation against it for a career. A few of us worked against Russian information operations in the United States in the last several years.

Perhaps most important, each of us believes deeply that American citizens should determine the outcome of elections, not foreign governments. All of us agree with the founding fathers’ concern about the damage that foreign interference in our politics can do to our democracy. [Emphasis Theirs]

It is for all these reasons that we write to say that the arrival on the US political scene of emails purportedly belonging to Vice President Biden’s son Hunter, much of it related to his time serving on the Board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.

We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement -- just that our experience makes us deeply suspicious that the Russian government played a significant role in this case.

If we are right, this is Russia trying to influence how Americans vote in this election, and we believe strongly that Americans need to be aware of this. [Emphasis Theirs]

There are a number of factors that make us suspicious of Russian involvement.

Such an operation would be consistent with Russian objectives, as outlined publicly and recently by the Intelligence Community, to create political chaos in the United States and to deepen political divisions here but also to undermine the candidacy of former Vice President Biden and thereby help the candidacy of President Trump. For the Russians at this point, with Trump down in the polls, there is incentive for Moscow to pull out the stops to do anything possible to help Trump win and/or to weaken Biden should he win. A “laptop op” fits the bill, as the publication of the emails are clearly designed to discredit Biden.

Such an operation would be consistent with some of the key methods Russia has used in its now multi-year operation to interfere in our democracy – the hacking (via cyber operations) and the dumping of accurate information or the distribution of inaccurate or misinformation. Russia did both of these during the 2016 presidential election – judgments shared by the US Intelligence Community, the investigation into Russian activities by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and the entirety (all Republicans and Democrats) on the current Senate Intelligence Committee.

Such an operation is also consistent with several data points. The Russians, according to media reports and cybersecurity experts, targeted Burisma late last year for cyber collection and gained access to its emails. And Ukrainian politician and businessman Adriy Derkach, identified and sanctioned by the US Treasury Department for being a 10-year Russian agent interfering in the 2020 election, passed purported materials on Burisma and Hunter Biden to Giuliani.

Our view that the Russians are involved in the Hunter Biden email issue is consistent with two other significant data points as well. According to the Washington Post, citing four sources, “U.S. intelligence agencies warned the White House last year that Giuliani was the target of an influence operation by Russian intelligence.”

In addition, media reports say that the FBI has now opened an investigation into Russian involvement in this case. According to USA Today, “...federal authorities are investigating whether the material supplied to the New York Post by Rudy Giuliani...is part of a smoke bomb of disinformation pushed by Russia.”

We do not know whether these press reports are accurate, but they do suggest concern within Executive Branch departments and agencies that mirrors ours. It is high time that Russia stops interfering in our democracy. [Emphasis Theirs]"

I am not seeing where this statement "refutes itself." It is exactly what it purports to be - a statement that the Biden laptop would be entirely consistent with an ongoing Russian campaign to undermine American democracy and that there are indications (but not proof) that it is. So I would like to ask again - where is the counterpoint to this saying that these experts are at best wrong or at worse lying?

These "impartial experts" said, "Perhaps most important, each of us believes deeply that American citizens should determine the outcome of elections, not foreign governments. All of us agree with the founding fathers’ concern about the damage that foreign interference in our politics can do to our democracy. [Emphasis Theirs]"

It seems they are ok with domestic "experts" determining the outcome of elections, as they made this statement, not only without proof, but without a single one of them having any personal knowledge or experience with the laptop or its contents. They certainly DID affect the election, as there were post-election surveys showing that enough Biden voters would not have voted for him, had the MSM not suppressed reporting on any ONE of THREE issues: Laptop/corruption, rape allegation or racist history, that he would not have won.

Can you provide a single MSM video clip showing where any reporter mentioned at the time that this was just an opinion, and not a fact-based declaration?

If they are truly experts, and not anti-Trump hacks, how did they get this so wrong? Where is their apology to the American public?

tlynn78 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:59 am

Don't hold your breath, not for an apology, and certainly not for 'some' to take their heads out of the sand. I'm not sure there are too many things with a more powerful hold on individuals than the need to be right, even (especially) in the face of mountains of evidence of their being wrong.