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[BackInTex]

Not to be pedantic, but if you read the accounts of the feeding of the 5000, nowhere does it say that anyone had any food other than the "lad" with five loaves and two fish. It's hardly a miracle if, after Jesus takes the loaves and fish and blesses it, everyone opens up their picnic baskets.

This is what I was taught in Sunday School. Some in the multitude brought food, some didn't. SundaySchoolTeacher said that the miracle was that everybody who brought food shared. A very devout woman, SST believed that Jesus inspired that sort of behavior.

Are you saying that SST was denying the miracle of Jesus feeding the multitudes from only 5 loaves of bread and two fish? SST was comparing it to Woodstock? It is one of only two miracles told in all four Gospels. And reading all four, it is pretty clear that the only food there were the loaves and fishes the boy referenced in John had.

[tlynn78]

Not to be pedantic, but if you read the accounts of the feeding of the 5000, nowhere does it say that anyone had any food other than the "lad" with five loaves and two fish. It's hardly a miracle if, after Jesus takes the loaves and fish and blesses it, everyone opens up their picnic baskets.

This is what I was taught in Sunday School. Some in the multitude brought food, some didn't. SundaySchoolTeacher said that the miracle was that everybody who brought food shared. A very devout woman, SST believed that Jesus inspired that sort of behavior.

Are you saying that SST was denying the miracle of Jesus feeding the multitudes from only 5 loaves of bread and two fish? SST was comparing it to Woodstock? It is one of only two miracles told in all four Gospels. And reading all four, it is pretty clear that the only food there were the loaves and fishes the boy referenced in John had.

Regardless, pretty sure Jesus didn't force those not attending to pay anything for the feeding of the 5000.

[Bob Juch]

This is what I was taught in Sunday School. Some in the multitude brought food, some didn't. SundaySchoolTeacher said that the miracle was that everybody who brought food shared. A very devout woman, SST believed that Jesus inspired that sort of behavior.

Are you saying that SST was denying the miracle of Jesus feeding the multitudes from only 5 loaves of bread and two fish? SST was comparing it to Woodstock? It is one of only two miracles told in all four Gospels. And reading all four, it is pretty clear that the only food there were the loaves and fishes the boy referenced in John had.

Regardless, pretty sure Jesus didn't force those not attending to pay anything for the feeding of the 5000.

He considered charging the Pharisees but settled on the Sadducees, but they avoided paying.

[earendel]

If we're going to bring the Bible into this debate, perhaps it might be a good idea to see what it says.

Deuteronomy 15:1 - Every seventh year you shall grant a remission of debts. 2 And this is the manner of the remission: every creditor shall remit the claim that is held against a neighbor, not exacting it, because the Lord’s remission has been proclaimed. 3 Of a foreigner you may exact it, but you must remit your claim on whatever any member of your community owes you.

Matthew 6:12 - And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. (Yes, I know some translations use "trespasses", but the Greek word refers to a monetary or other obligation).

[jarnon]

If we're going to bring the Bible into this debate, perhaps it might be a good idea to see what it says.

Deuteronomy 15:1 - Every seventh year you shall grant a remission of debts. 2 And this is the manner of the remission: every creditor shall remit the claim that is held against a neighbor, not exacting it, because the Lord’s remission has been proclaimed. 3 Of a foreigner you may exact it, but you must remit your claim on whatever any member of your community owes you.

Matthew 6:12 - And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. (Yes, I know some translations use "trespasses", but the Greek word refers to a monetary or other obligation).

Deuteronomy goes on to say:
Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, "The seventh year, the year of release is near," and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the Lord against you, and you be guilty of sin.

[SportsFan68]

Not to be pedantic, but if you read the accounts of the feeding of the 5000, nowhere does it say that anyone had any food other than the "lad" with five loaves and two fish. It's hardly a miracle if, after Jesus takes the loaves and fish and blesses it, everyone opens up their picnic baskets.

This is what I was taught in Sunday School. Some in the multitude brought food, some didn't. SundaySchoolTeacher said that the miracle was that everybody who brought food shared. A very devout woman, SST believed that Jesus inspired that sort of behavior.

Are you saying that SST was denying the miracle of Jesus feeding the multitudes from only 5 loaves of bread and two fish? SST was comparing it to Woodstock? It is one of only two miracles told in all four Gospels. And reading all four, it is pretty clear that the only food there were the loaves and fishes the boy referenced in John had.

She never said it wasn't a miracle.

The Woodstock comparison escapes me.