Liz Cheney

[tlynn78]

I don't claim to be an expert. I am just reporting what I can see with my own eyes which is this. The vast majority of the Republican party have become sycophants and enablers of a narcissistic demagogue who undermined public faith in the American democratic system and incited his acolytes in his cult of personality to overthrow the results of a free and fair election. And when the opportunity came to hold the 45th President accountable for his actions, the vast majority of the GOP - which has always prided itself on being the party of law and order - decided not to do so. And Liz Cheney - one of the most conservative members of the House - was drummed out of her party for not being a true Republican because she was one of the few who has tried to do so.

That's how I see it. How do you see it differently?

I don't (unlike you all-knowing experts) claim to speak for the "vast majority" of Republicans. I see it like this: Trump was the Republican nominee in 2016. He was not the first choice for a lot of us, but those of us not easily distracted by the media spin were intrigued to see what successful businessman could do. I, along with every single other Republican at the watch party that year, was stunned when he won. In spite of unprecedented attacks from all sides, he accomplished a great deal of good. Do I, like innumerable Republicans I know and have spoken to, wish he was less abrasive? Sure. But so what? Those of you who want to wring your hands and clutch your pearls over sound bites, unproven allegations, and outright fabrications you swallowed whole can take several seats, as none of you has ever voiced an issue with the Dems re-electing, and practically canonizing a man who LITERALLY killed a woman at the start of his career.
I, and the majority of Republicans I know and have spoken with, was optimistic about 2024. We've got some really excellent prospects, while y'all have a ventriloquist dummy and a useless cackling bobblehead at the top of your ticket. I had a Trump nom at about 25%, before the Mar a Lago raid. I didn't particularly want Trump to run again - I simply think he'll be too old, and the spiral down the rabbit hole the left will cause us all to endure is just not worth it. I'd say the latest stunt from the Swamp has at least doubled the chances of Trump getting the nomination, which is unfortunate, but if he gets it. I'll probably vote for him. The damage already done by Bidens manipulators can't continue.

I should clarify. When I refer to the "vast majority of the Republican party" I am referring to elected members of the House of Representatives and Senate and not necessarily the rank and file of the party. I was not clear on that so I do apologize.

Are you not bothered by the fact that the man attempted to undermine American democracy? The statements he made for months which caused distrust of the electoral process? The promulgation of the idea that his election loss was not real despite having no credible evidence to back him up? The fact that he did nothing for more than 3 hours while people waving flags and wearing hats with his name on them assaulted the Capitol and verbalized threats to elected officials?

I do not understand how anyone, regardless of political ideology, can regard someone like that as fit for any office, let alone the Presidency.

Let's just say we see that differently. Has it escaped your notice that the only elected officials actually harmed have been Republicans? Now maybe you can explain the level of vitriol for years BEFORE the 2020 elections and Jan6. I don't see how anyone thinks Biden is fit for the Presidency, but here we are. The difference? I don't care who you vote for. I may have an opinion about your choice, but you won't generally call you names for it, nor actively attempt to prevent you having that choice.

[tlynn78]

I don't claim to be an expert. I am just reporting what I can see with my own eyes which is this. The vast majority of the Republican party have become sycophants and enablers of a narcissistic demagogue who undermined public faith in the American democratic system and incited his acolytes in his cult of personality to overthrow the results of a free and fair election. And when the opportunity came to hold the 45th President accountable for his actions, the vast majority of the GOP - which has always prided itself on being the party of law and order - decided not to do so. And Liz Cheney - one of the most conservative members of the House - was drummed out of her party for not being a true Republican because she was one of the few who has tried to do so.

That's how I see it. How do you see it differently?

I don't (unlike you all-knowing experts) claim to speak for the "vast majority" of Republicans. I see it like this: Trump was the Republican nominee in 2016. He was not the first choice for a lot of us, but those of us not easily distracted by the media spin were intrigued to see what successful businessman could do. I, along with every single other Republican at the watch party that year, was stunned when he won. In spite of unprecedented attacks from all sides, he accomplished a great deal of good. Do I, like innumerable Republicans I know and have spoken to, wish he was less abrasive? Sure. But so what? Those of you who want to wring your hands and clutch your pearls over sound bites, unproven allegations, and outright fabrications you swallowed whole can take several seats, as none of you has ever voiced an issue with the Dems re-electing, and practically canonizing a man who LITERALLY killed a woman at the start of his career.
I, and the majority of Republicans I know and have spoken with, was optimistic about 2024. We've got some really excellent prospects, while y'all have a ventriloquist dummy and a useless cackling bobblehead at the top of your ticket. I had a Trump nom at about 25%, before the Mar a Lago raid. I didn't particularly want Trump to run again - I simply think he'll be too old, and the spiral down the rabbit hole the left will cause us all to endure is just not worth it. I'd say the latest stunt from the Swamp has at least doubled the chances of Trump getting the nomination, which is unfortunate, but if he gets it. I'll probably vote for him. The damage already done by Bidens manipulators can't continue.

TFG was not a successful businessman. It's too bad you all believed the lies.

Clearly, we measure success differently. Since your book containing your wealth of knowledge on the subject isn't available yet, I'll just endeavor to persevere.

[kroxquo]

Could you give me more detail on this? I do not know to what you are referring.

I'll be nice and credit you with some adequate acting skills, but you still aren't pulling it off.

I appreciate the credit, but I still don't know what TLynn is talking about.

[Bob78164]

Could you give me more detail on this? I do not know to what you are referring.

I'll be nice and credit you with some adequate acting skills, but you still aren't pulling it off.

I appreciate the credit, but I still don't know what TLynn is talking about.

I can only imagine she’s referring to the accident that made then Senator-elect Biden a widower at the start of his career. —Bob

[tlynn78]

Could you give me more detail on this? I do not know to what you are referring.

I'll be nice and credit you with some adequate acting skills, but you still aren't pulling it off.

I appreciate the credit, but I still don't know what TLynn is talking about.

I'm referring to that bastion of decency, "The Lion of the Senate"

[BackInTex]

a man who LITERALLY killed a woman at the start of his career.

I'll be nice and credit you with some adequate acting skills, but you still aren't pulling it off.

I appreciate the credit, but I still don't know what TLynn is talking about.

I can only imagine she’s referring to the accident that made then Senator-elect Biden a widower at the start of his career. —Bob

Bob, are you saying you think Joe Biden killed his first wife?

[Weyoun]

Tlynn presumably is referring to Ted Kennedy.

He’s not a person I liked nor would I have ever voted for him.

If you notice, counters in this thread are the usual. But what about this? What about that?

It’s very tiresome. Maybe Hillary did something with those emails. It’s been so long, I’m not even sure what they were exactly regarding. However, I do know that Trump shouldn’t be keeping national secrets in his bedroom when he’s not the president.

What is your actual opinion of what Trump did, BiT and tlynn? Not that someone else did something similar. Do you find what he did troubling?

[silverscreenselect]

You voting R means less than zero, much like your suggestion.

Weyoun's individual voting history may not mean much but those like him who have grown disgusted with what's happened to the Republican party are the difference between Donald Trump winning Pennsylvania in 2016 and losing it and the election in 2020.

[silverscreenselect]

What lies?

That inflation for July was 0.0%?

The statement about inflation in July was that the month-over-month rate of inflation for July was 0. That's true. This is what Biden said:

I want to say a word about the news that came out today relative to the economy. Actually, I just want to say a number: zero. Today, we received news that our economy had zero percent inflation in the month of July. Zero percent. Here’s what that means: While the price of some things go up — went up last month, the price of other things went down by the same amount. The result: zero inflation last month. But people are hurting. But zero inflation last month.

His statement was accurate, and he explained just what he meant by it. It was only "misleading" to those who were looking for something to fault Biden on. No one is claiming that prices magically went down in one month to what they were some time in the past. But they stopped rising. To use a military analogy, if one side has been advancing steadily for months or years and the other side stops the advance, that's good news because the first step towards winning the war is to stop the other guy from advancing. (That's the status right now in Ukraine and was the status in World War II in the summer of 1942.)

[Beebs52]

Tlynn presumably is referring to Ted Kennedy.

He’s not a person I liked nor would I have ever voted for him.

If you notice, counters in this thread are the usual. But what about this? What about that?

It’s very tiresome. Maybe Hillary did something with those emails. It’s been so long, I’m not even sure what they were exactly regarding. However, I do know that Trump shouldn’t be keeping national secrets in his bedroom when he’s not the president.

What is your actual opinion of what Trump did, BiT and tlynn? Not that someone else did something similar. Do you find what he did troubling?

I'm not Bit or Tgirl, but if they do find classified stuff there I'm sure the FBI director will blow off prosecution just as Comey did re Sec Clinton's classified stuff.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases ... ail-system

I crack myself up.

[silverscreenselect]

Has it escaped your notice that the only elected officials actually harmed have been Republicans? Now maybe you can explain the level of vitriol for years BEFORE the 2020 elections and Jan6.

I'm not sure what you mean by "actually harmed" here. If you are referring to something like the shooting of Steve Scalise, you don't have to go back very far to find Gabby Giffords.

And if you're talking about the level of vitriol before 2020, you've forgotten about the racist and sexist abuse that Obama and Hillary had to put up with in their campaigns.

[tlynn78]

Has it escaped your notice that the only elected officials actually harmed have been Republicans? Now maybe you can explain the level of vitriol for years BEFORE the 2020 elections and Jan6.

I'm not sure what you mean by "actually harmed" here. If you are referring to something like the shooting of Steve Scalise, you don't have to go back very far to find Gabby Giffords.

And if you're talking about the level of vitriol before 2020, you've forgotten about the racist and sexist abuse that Obama and Hillary had to put up with in their campaigns.

Try to focus, boo. We're talking about Liz Cheney and her (and others') irrational hatred and focus on one man. Unless, of course, G. Giffords is Trumps' fault?

[tlynn78]

Tlynn presumably is referring to Ted Kennedy.

He’s not a person I liked nor would I have ever voted for him.

If you notice, counters in this thread are the usual. But what about this? What about that?

It’s very tiresome. Maybe Hillary did something with those emails. It’s been so long, I’m not even sure what they were exactly regarding. However, I do know that Trump shouldn’t be keeping national secrets in his bedroom when he’s not the president.

What is your actual opinion of what Trump did, BiT and tlynn? Not that someone else did something similar. Do you find what he did troubling?

Nor have you ever spoken out against the Left's hypocrisy, at least not here. If it turns out that Trump did something criminal, he should, and presumably will be, punished. It's just precious how you want to ignore the FACT of the wrongdoing of people on the left, or anyone, basically, who isn't Trump or a Trump supporter and brush it off as whataboutism. I simply prefer, especially in light of the many debunked accusations Trump has faced down since 2016, to wait for the facts to play out before I hang someone. That's just me.

[silverscreenselect]

Try to focus, boo. We're talking about Liz Cheney and her (and others') irrational hatred and focus on one man. Unless, of course, G. Giffords is Trumps' fault?

That was about as clear from your post as most of Donald Trump's rhetoric.