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Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:49 pm
by flockofseagulls104
Trump had border policies that were working. The current administration discontinued all of them for no other reason other than because HE implemented them. Then did NOTHING but invite more and more people to try and cross the border with little or no resistance. What did they think would happen?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/at-least- ... icial-says
This should never have happened.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:30 pm
by silverscreenselect
Interesting that Flock hasn't had anything to say about the testimony today from yet another Republican at the Jan. 6 hearing. Trump attacking his personal Secret Service agent because they wouldn't let him go to the Capitol. And his trying to remove the metal detectors from the rally. And his knowledge before making his speech that the future rioters were armed.
That's something that should never have happened.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:34 pm
by Bob78164
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:30 pm
Trump attacking his personal Secret Service agent because they wouldn't let him go to the Capitol. And his trying to remove the metal detectors from the rally. And his knowledge before making his speech that the future rioters were armed.
That's something that should never have happened.
I think I need to watch this hearing when I get a chance. Would someone be kind enough to provide a link?
Because if the testimony is as clear as is being reported, I don't think Merrick Garland has a choice any more. I think he has to charge Donny. --Bob
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:01 pm
by bazodee
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:49 pm
Trump had border policies that were working. The current administration discontinued all of them for no other reason other than because HE implemented them. Then did NOTHING but invite more and more people to try and cross the border with little or no resistance. What did they think would happen?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/at-least- ... icial-says
This should never have happened.
Seems to me that this happens regardless of the party of the President.
Excerpt from ABC News article today:
Tractor-trailer deaths
In 2017, eight people were found dead alongside about 30 others who were injured inside a semitrailer parked in a Walmart parking lot in San Antonio, Texas. The death toll was later increased to 10 when two others died while being treated at a hospital.
The driver, James Matthew Bradley, Jr., was sentenced to life in federal prison without parole.
San Antonio Police Chief William McManus called it a "horrific tragedy” and said such trafficking "is not an isolated incident. This happens quite frequently ... Fortunately, there are people who survived, but this happens all the time.”
In 2003, 19 people were killed after being trapped in a dairy truck, in which temperatures rose above 170 degrees as migrants tried to escape the insulated trailer.
The driver stopped in Victoria, Texas, where he abandoned the trailer. There were 55 survivors.
The truck driver, Tyrone Williams, was found guilty of all charges and sentenced to more than 30 years in prison.
In 1987, according to the Texas Tribune, 19 men were killed when they were left locked in a heavily insulated boxcar for hours. Only one man survived.
These kinds of deaths are a global problem. In October 2019, 39 Vietnamese migrants suffocated to death in the United Kingdom after being locked in a trailer while being smuggled. Four men connected with the incident were jailed.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:33 pm
by flockofseagulls104
bazodee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:01 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:49 pm
Trump had border policies that were working. The current administration discontinued all of them for no other reason other than because HE implemented them. Then did NOTHING but invite more and more people to try and cross the border with little or no resistance. What did they think would happen?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/at-least- ... icial-says
This should never have happened.
Seems to me that this happens regardless of the party of the President.
Excerpt from ABC News article today:
Tractor-trailer deaths
In 2017, eight people were found dead alongside about 30 others who were injured inside a semitrailer parked in a Walmart parking lot in San Antonio, Texas. The death toll was later increased to 10 when two others died while being treated at a hospital.
The driver, James Matthew Bradley, Jr., was sentenced to life in federal prison without parole.
San Antonio Police Chief William McManus called it a "horrific tragedy” and said such trafficking "is not an isolated incident. This happens quite frequently ... Fortunately, there are people who survived, but this happens all the time.”
In 2003, 19 people were killed after being trapped in a dairy truck, in which temperatures rose above 170 degrees as migrants tried to escape the insulated trailer.
The driver stopped in Victoria, Texas, where he abandoned the trailer. There were 55 survivors.
The truck driver, Tyrone Williams, was found guilty of all charges and sentenced to more than 30 years in prison.
In 1987, according to the Texas Tribune, 19 men were killed when they were left locked in a heavily insulated boxcar for hours. Only one man survived.
These kinds of deaths are a global problem. In October 2019, 39 Vietnamese migrants suffocated to death in the United Kingdom after being locked in a trailer while being smuggled. Four men connected with the incident were jailed.
Of course.
That excuses it. No need to mention that we have had all-time records for illegal crossings since Biden decimated the policies that were working by the end of the Trump admin.
But it is just so easy to find some 'journalist' who will write some drivel that will be put to the top of the google queue and be quoted by people who want to continue to feel good about their choices and not do any thinking for themselves.
Here's another article from a 'left wing' leaning news source (All news sources these days have a slant. Ever notice that?)
Just for FACTS sake. Maybe you'll accept facts given to you by a left-wing source.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/even- ... ar-AAWnyAG
I couldn't find a 'left-wing'
NEWS source which would give the figure for illegal border crossings in 2020 (IMAGINE THAT!), so you will have to settle for this. They are probably lying, though....
https://www.numbersusa.com/news/illegal ... all-fy2020
(Now I have to explain why I include links.
)
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:06 pm
by silverscreenselect
The Washington Examiner is not a "left-wing" leaning source.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:03 pm
by Beebs52
That WAS the Wash Examiner, not msnbc
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:53 pm
by flockofseagulls104
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:03 pm
That WAS the Wash Examiner, not msnbc
That's right. MSN re-reported it. My mistake. The facts must be wrong then....
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:49 pm
by Beebs52
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:53 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:03 pm
That WAS the Wash Examiner, not msnbc
That's right. MSN re-reported it. My mistake. The facts must be wrong then....
No, just re left leaning comment
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:55 pm
by Beebs52
Wait. Msnbc quoting them may be a sea change...
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:09 pm
by flocks lawyer
CORRECTION:
I must report that my client has unintentionally disseminated false information. He accidentally attributed reporting of facts by the Washington Examiner to MSN. He regrets giving the impression that MSN would use any of their own resources to report actual factual information.
I have also reported to him that his stalker's response to his previous post was not to question, refute, debate or challenge the facts that were presented, but to correct him about his linked source. He says he sometimes regrets his decision to cancel the stalker's posts. Good laughs are hard to come by these days.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:54 pm
by silverscreenselect
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:53 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:03 pm
That WAS the Wash Examiner, not msnbc
That's right. MSN re-reported it. My mistake. The facts must be wrong then....
And by the way. MSN stands for Microsoft News, not MSNBC. It's an aggregator that provides the news feed from dozens of original sources (including NBC News) for the default home page when you open Edge. They don't publish any original stories or editorial content.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:29 pm
by Estonut
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:30 pm
Interesting that Flock hasn't had anything to say about the testimony today from yet another Republican at the Jan. 6 hearing. Trump attacking his personal Secret Service agent because they wouldn't let him go to the Capitol. And his trying to remove the metal detectors from the rally. And his knowledge before making his speech that the future rioters were armed.
That's something that should never have happened.
Interesting that sss hasn't had anything to say about yesterday's refuted hearsay testimony from yet another Republican at the Jan. 6 hearing. Trump allegedly attacking his personal Secret Service agent because they wouldn't let him go to the Capitol. It turns out that the alleged source of the story says he told the witness no such story. Further, TWO, secret service agents (who were actually in the vehicle) also called bullshit on this particular story. It appears the Jan 6 Committee presented the testimony of a big fat liar without attempting to corroborate her wild allegations beforehand.
That's something that should never have happened.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:49 pm
by Bob78164
Estonut wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:29 pm
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:30 pm
Interesting that Flock hasn't had anything to say about the testimony today from yet another Republican at the Jan. 6 hearing. Trump attacking his personal Secret Service agent because they wouldn't let him go to the Capitol. And his trying to remove the metal detectors from the rally. And his knowledge before making his speech that the future rioters were armed.
That's something that should never have happened.
Interesting that sss hasn't had anything to say about yesterday's refuted hearsay testimony from yet another Republican at the Jan. 6 hearing. Trump allegedly attacking his personal Secret Service agent because they wouldn't let him go to the Capitol. It turns out that the alleged source of the story says he told the witness no such story. Further, TWO, secret service agents (who were actually in the vehicle) also called bullshit on this particular story. It appears the Jan 6 Committee presented the testimony of a big fat liar without attempting to corroborate her wild allegations beforehand.
That's something that should never have happened.
Unless I've missed something, only one of the people you've referenced has testified under oath about this incident. And she has no incentive to lie.
But that's really a sideshow. No one is disputing Ms. Hutchinson's percipient testimony that Donny knew that the mob that was gathering was armed. No one is disputing her percipient testimony that Donny wanted the mob that was gathering to stay armed because they weren't there to hurt him. No one can dispute that Donny explicitly called for that armed mob to march to Capitol Hill (after earlier telling the Proud Boys to "Stand back and stand by"). No one is disputing Ms. Hutchinson's testimony that Donny wanted to accompany the armed mob as they marched to Capitol Hill to begin their insurrection. No one can dispute the evidence that Donny refused to call off the armed insurrection even after being informed that they were literally calling for the Vice President of the United States to be hanged. --Bob
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:15 pm
by flocks lawyer
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:49 pm
Estonut wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:29 pm
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:30 pm
Interesting that Flock hasn't had anything to say about the testimony today from yet another Republican at the Jan. 6 hearing. Trump attacking his personal Secret Service agent because they wouldn't let him go to the Capitol. And his trying to remove the metal detectors from the rally. And his knowledge before making his speech that the future rioters were armed.
That's something that should never have happened.
Interesting that sss hasn't had anything to say about yesterday's refuted hearsay testimony from yet another Republican at the Jan. 6 hearing. Trump allegedly attacking his personal Secret Service agent because they wouldn't let him go to the Capitol. It turns out that the alleged source of the story says he told the witness no such story. Further, TWO, secret service agents (who were actually in the vehicle) also called bullshit on this particular story. It appears the Jan 6 Committee presented the testimony of a big fat liar without attempting to corroborate her wild allegations beforehand.
That's something that should never have happened.
Unless I've missed something, only one of the people you've referenced has testified under oath about this incident. And she has no incentive to lie.
But that's really a sideshow. No one is disputing Ms. Hutchinson's percipient testimony that Donny knew that the mob that was gathering was armed. No one is disputing her percipient testimony that Donny wanted the mob that was gathering to stay armed because they weren't there to hurt him. No one can dispute that Donny explicitly called for that armed mob to march to Capitol Hill (after earlier telling the Proud Boys to "Stand back and stand by"). No one is disputing Ms. Hutchinson's testimony that Donny wanted to accompany the armed mob as they marched to Capitol Hill to begin their insurrection. No one can dispute the evidence that Donny refused to call off the armed insurrection even after being informed that they were literally calling for the Vice President of the United States to be hanged. --Bob
Yes, counselor, you have missed something. Something very important.
There is no one on this 'committee' to dispute anything. That seems to be the whole point of this 'committee', is it not?
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:17 pm
by BackInTex
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:49 pm
Estonut wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:29 pm
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:30 pm
Interesting that Flock hasn't had anything to say about the testimony today from yet another Republican at the Jan. 6 hearing. Trump attacking his personal Secret Service agent because they wouldn't let him go to the Capitol. And his trying to remove the metal detectors from the rally. And his knowledge before making his speech that the future rioters were armed.
That's something that should never have happened.
Interesting that sss hasn't had anything to say about yesterday's refuted hearsay testimony from yet another Republican at the Jan. 6 hearing. Trump allegedly attacking his personal Secret Service agent because they wouldn't let him go to the Capitol. It turns out that the alleged source of the story says he told the witness no such story. Further, TWO, secret service agents (who were actually in the vehicle) also called bullshit on this particular story. It appears the Jan 6 Committee presented the testimony of a big fat liar without attempting to corroborate her wild allegations beforehand.
That's something that should never have happened.
Unless I've missed something, only one of the people you've referenced has testified under oath about this incident. And she has no incentive to lie.
But that's really a sideshow. No one is disputing Ms. Hutchinson's percipient testimony that Donny knew that the mob that was gathering was armed. No one is disputing her percipient testimony that Donny wanted the mob that was gathering to stay armed because they weren't there to hurt him. No one can dispute that Donny explicitly called for that armed mob to march to Capitol Hill (after earlier telling the Proud Boys to "Stand back and stand by"). No one is disputing Ms. Hutchinson's testimony that Donny wanted to accompany the armed mob as they marched to Capitol Hill to begin their insurrection. No one can dispute the evidence that Donny refused to call off the armed insurrection even after being informed that they were literally calling for the Vice President of the United States to be hanged. --Bob
Yes there are people who are.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:26 pm
by kroxquo
flocks lawyer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:15 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:49 pm
Estonut wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:29 pm
Interesting that sss hasn't had anything to say about yesterday's refuted hearsay testimony from yet another Republican at the Jan. 6 hearing. Trump allegedly attacking his personal Secret Service agent because they wouldn't let him go to the Capitol. It turns out that the alleged source of the story says he told the witness no such story. Further, TWO, secret service agents (who were actually in the vehicle) also called bullshit on this particular story. It appears the Jan 6 Committee presented the testimony of a big fat liar without attempting to corroborate her wild allegations beforehand.
That's something that should never have happened.
Unless I've missed something, only one of the people you've referenced has testified under oath about this incident. And she has no incentive to lie.
But that's really a sideshow. No one is disputing Ms. Hutchinson's percipient testimony that Donny knew that the mob that was gathering was armed. No one is disputing her percipient testimony that Donny wanted the mob that was gathering to stay armed because they weren't there to hurt him. No one can dispute that Donny explicitly called for that armed mob to march to Capitol Hill (after earlier telling the Proud Boys to "Stand back and stand by"). No one is disputing Ms. Hutchinson's testimony that Donny wanted to accompany the armed mob as they marched to Capitol Hill to begin their insurrection. No one can dispute the evidence that Donny refused to call off the armed insurrection even after being informed that they were literally calling for the Vice President of the United States to be hanged. --Bob
Yes, counselor, you have missed something. Something very important.
There is no one on this 'committee' to dispute anything. That seems to be the whole point of this 'committee', is it not?
It really is a shame that Republicans were not asked to participate in this investigative committee. Oh wait, they were but opted not to. No one to blame but themselves.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:27 pm
by flocks lawyer
Meanwhile, no one even cares about the 50 people who died a horrible death because of the fiasco playing out every day at our southern border.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:58 pm
by flockofseagulls104
kroxquo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:26 pm
flocks lawyer wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:15 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:49 pm
Unless I've missed something, only one of the people you've referenced has testified under oath about this incident. And she has no incentive to lie.
But that's really a sideshow. No one is disputing Ms. Hutchinson's percipient testimony that Donny knew that the mob that was gathering was armed. No one is disputing her percipient testimony that Donny wanted the mob that was gathering to stay armed because they weren't there to hurt him. No one can dispute that Donny explicitly called for that armed mob to march to Capitol Hill (after earlier telling the Proud Boys to "Stand back and stand by"). No one is disputing Ms. Hutchinson's testimony that Donny wanted to accompany the armed mob as they marched to Capitol Hill to begin their insurrection. No one can dispute the evidence that Donny refused to call off the armed insurrection even after being informed that they were literally calling for the Vice President of the United States to be hanged. --Bob
Yes, counselor, you have missed something. Something very important.
There is no one on this 'committee' to dispute anything. That seems to be the whole point of this 'committee', is it not?
It really is a shame that Republicans were not asked to participate in this investigative committee. Oh wait, they were but opted not to. No one to blame but themselves.
Krox, you don't seem to get all the information.....
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/reaganmcc ... e-n2592886
Just one side of it. Sorta like what the committee turned into.
They wanted THEIR Republicans on the committee. They had no interest in having any cross-examination or any questioning..
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E61Wmd8WUAg ... =4096x4096
Can you not even fathom how one-sided and full of shit this thing is? This is what they used to do in the USSR.
Well, I guess probably not.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:14 pm
by silverscreenselect
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:58 pm
They wanted THEIR Republicans on the committee. They had no interest in having any cross-examination or any questioning..
Can you not even fathom how one-sided and full of shit this thing is? This is what they used to do in the USSR.
Jim Jordan in particular was a target of the investigation. His serving on the committee would compromise the integrity of the investigation. Pelosi approved three of the members chosen by McCarthy and asked him to select two others. He only had 200 other Republicans to choose from. Instead, he pulled all his selections from the committee.
Almost all the testimony that's been given at these hearings is by Republicans. It's one sided, all right, and that side is the truth.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:28 am
by flockofseagulls104
It is very telling that most of you would rather talk about this STAR CHAMBER rather than the crisis at our southern border.
We are creating a new major US city every couple of months with the number of people who are just walking across our border.
They are smuggling in enough fentanyl every week to kill thousands of people.
There is no vetting of the people that enter this country as per criminal status, diseases they bring in or identity.
They are smuggling actual present-day SLAVES into our country in the form of human trafficking.
This country has no functioning immigration policy and hasn't had for years and years. '
We have nothing but chaos for the southern border, yet we have an orderly process for applying for immigration for everyone else.
How does that work?
Meanwhile, people are dying every day, but it's all wrapped around a political issue that nobody wants to fix, because it's a good campaign issue on both sides of the political spectrum.
But, I guess in your eyes, there is nothing to see here.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:32 am
by silverscreenselect
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:28 am
It is very telling that most of you would rather talk about this STAR CHAMBER rather than the crisis at our southern border.
We are creating a new major US city every couple of months with the number of people who are just walking across our border.
They are smuggling in enough fentanyl every week to kill thousands of people.
There is no vetting of the people that enter this country as per criminal status, diseases they bring in or identity.
They are smuggling actual present-day SLAVES into our country in the form of human trafficking.
Flock:
Where are you getting these statistics? Because if you don't have anything to back it up, it's just right wing bloviating and fearmongering. If it were so easy for migrants to be "just walking across our border," why were 50 of them jammed into a trailer? There was plenty of evidence that Trump's "impregnable" border fence could be easily crossed in many places by anyone who was moderately athletic or cut down by anyone with some decent tools.
What we do know is that stops are way up since Biden took office. That's people who don't get into the country. For FY2020 (October 2019-Octo 2020) there were almost 650,000 enforcement actions (e.g., stops). In FY2021, the number increased to 1.95 million. In FY2022 to date, with three months to go, the number is 1.75 million.
As far as all that fentanyl entering the country in migrants' pockets, in FY2020 the Border Patrol seized 4800 pounds of Fentanyl. In FY2021, that total went up to 11,200 pounds. For the first eight months of FY2022, the total is 7700 pounds. So the Biden administration has more than doubled the amount of Fentanyl seizures. (Totals for other drugs are up similarly). And these figures come from the Office of Customs and Border Protection.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp- ... statistics
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:10 pm
by earendel
Just to add fuel to the fire, the Supreme Court has sided with the Biden administration in its efforts to undo the Trump administration's "remain in Mexico" policy. The policy required asylum seekers from Central and South America who entered the United States illegally to return to Mexico to await a hearing. The Biden administration sought to do away with the policy shortly after taking office in January 2021 and ordered a review of the policy. A Texas district court judge ruled that the administration didn't adequately explain the reasons for abolishing the policy.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:02 pm
by silverscreenselect
Estonut wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:29 pm
It turns out that the alleged source of the story says he told the witness no such story. Further, TWO, secret service agents (who were actually in the vehicle) also called bullshit on this particular story. It appears the Jan 6 Committee presented the testimony of a big fat liar without attempting to corroborate her wild allegations beforehand.
So far, that's hearsay about an unsworn statement. The committee has extended an invitation to Secret Service agents to come in and testify under oath about what happened. Until they do, the only person on record is Cassidy Hutchinson.
Re: Another tragedy at the southern border.
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:57 pm
by wbtravis007
It sure doesn't help that, because it helps them politically, Trump and other Republicans disseminate the canard that Biden and the Democrats are in favor of and are allowing "open borders" in order to add more voters who would favor them.
As usual, politics trumps substance and policy for them.