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Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:16 am
by flockofseagulls104
In favor of Dobbs.
Roe v Wade has been overturned.
Everybody will now have their own interpretations.
Here we go.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:26 am
by jarnon
Here is the Court's ruling, written by Alito, along with a dissent by 3 judges:
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/ ... 2_6j37.pdf
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:10 am
by BackInTex
Great. Also good news is now conservative New Yorkers can protect themselves without having to prove why they have to protect themselves.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:34 am
by earendel
I note with interest that Justice Thomas thinks that the rulings in Griswold v. Connecticut (prevents state restrictions on contraception), Obergefell v. Hodges (allows same-sex marriages), and Lawrence v. Texas (same-sex sexual relations) on the same basis, yet doesn't mention Loving v. Virginia, which overturned laws against interracial marriages. Hmmm...I wonder why he didn't mention that one. Oh, wait...
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:44 am
by flockofseagulls104
Biden's handlers just blamed everything on Trump.
So much for protecting and defending the Constitution.
His handlers will, no doubt, do everything they can to undermine the decision.
Dividing us again.
SURPRISE!!!
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:53 am
by flockofseagulls104
Well, I will give him credit for calling for peace (at long last), just like Trump did on 1/6.
If there's anyone left who actually listens to him.
It looks like he lost his place on the teleprompter, but made a decent recovery.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:56 am
by silverscreenselect
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:44 am
So much for protecting and defending the Constitution.
His handlers will, no doubt, do everything they can to undermine the decision.
Dividing us again.
The only thing I heard him do was to call for people to elect Senators and Representatives who would codify Roe. That's what the Supreme Court said was the appropriate remedy, legislative action.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:07 pm
by kroxquo
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:53 am
Well, I will give him credit for calling for peace (at long last), just like Trump did on 1/6.
The difference being is that Biden is calling for peace pre-emptively whereas the 45th President incited the violence and waited through several hours of it before calling for peace and telling the rioters that he loved them.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:33 pm
by kroxquo
So now that Republicans have gotten their wish, I will reiterate something I said in an earlier thread. I am assuming that Republicans will now mandate science-based sex education (abstinence-only is not it) to prevent unwanted pregnancies and expand medicaid coverage, Head Start, WIC, and school funding generally to help all the children who will now be born when unwanted pregnancies do occur. Since we've saved their lives, now how about making their lives livable.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:54 pm
by flockofseagulls104
kroxquo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:07 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:53 am
Well, I will give him credit for calling for peace (at long last), just like Trump did on 1/6.
The difference being is that Biden is calling for peace pre-emptively whereas the 45th President incited the violence and waited through several hours of it before calling for peace and telling the rioters that he loved them.
No, krox, that's not what happened. But I am pretty much convinced your mind is as closed as bob's and the stalkers. Too bad.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:46 pm
by BackInTex
Stolen from somewhere else but:
I haven't seen liberals this upset since the Republicans freed their slaves.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:04 pm
by tlynn78
BackInTex wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:46 pm
Stolen from somewhere else but:
I haven't seen liberals this upset since the Republicans freed their slaves.
Right? It'll be a little harder to kill those babies made 'by accident' so Republicans should have to foot the bill for them for life.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:30 pm
by kroxquo
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:54 pm
kroxquo wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:07 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:53 am
Well, I will give him credit for calling for peace (at long last), just like Trump did on 1/6.
The difference being is that Biden is calling for peace pre-emptively whereas the 45th President incited the violence and waited through several hours of it before calling for peace and telling the rioters that he loved them.
No, krox, that's not what happened. But I am pretty much convinced your mind is as closed as bob's and the stalkers. Too bad.
Words do not exist to express the extent of my consternation at your disapproval.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:52 pm
by Bob Juch
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:52 pm
by wbtravis007
BackInTex wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:46 pm
Stolen from somewhere else but:
I haven't seen liberals this upset since the Republicans freed their slaves.
Just some imaginary lady in New York, but:
So, we can’t make it illegal for that nut-job over there to have a gun hidden on himself somewhere but y’all can regulate the contents of my uterus as of right after I have sex?
[Hate to admit it, but NiT’s post was actually pretty funny.]
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:47 pm
by Bob Juch
Griswold is now in danger.
Of course, Loving isn't.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:27 am
by kroxquo
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:47 pm
Griswold is now in danger.
Of course,
Loving isn't.
Obergefell has also got to be in their sights.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:28 am
by silverscreenselect
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:47 pm
Griswold is now in danger.
Of course,
Loving isn't.
Of course. You won't find the word "contraceptives" anywhere in the Constitution. Then again, you also won't find "marriage."
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:13 pm
by Bob Juch
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:31 pm
by flockofseagulls104
Nice picture. Too big though.
Yes, it WAS the precedent. It WAS the law of the land. Until this case came to them. Then they ruled on it.
It is the comment at the bottom of your picture that is the lie.
But I guess you, like good ol' Maxine, only accept SCOTUS rulings when they are in your favor.
Take it up in your state. Or get enough states to ratify a new Constitutional Amendment.
Roe v Wade is now NOT the law of the land.
And Joe Biden is the President of the US.
Just like I have to... Deal with it.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:49 am
by silverscreenselect
I guess a fetus isn't always considered a life, even in Texas:
Pregnant woman says her fetus should count as a passenger in HOV lanes. She got a ticket
On June 29 [Brandy Bottone, a woman who was 34 weeks pregnant] was driving on U.S. Highway 75 South and headed to the Interstate 635 West interchange.
“I was driving to pick up my son. I knew I couldn’t be a minute late, so I took the HOV [high-occupancy vehicle] lane. As I exited the HOV, there was a checkpoint at the end of the exit. I slammed on my brakes, and I was pulled over by police.
“An officer peeked in and asked, ‘Is there anybody else in the car?’ “I said, ‘Well, yes.’ He asked, ‘Where?’ I pointed to my stomach and said, ‘My baby girl is right here. She is a person.’ He said, ‘Oh, no. It’s got to be two people outside of the body.’"
“One officer kind of brushed me off when I mentioned this is a living child, according to everything that’s going on with the overturning of Roe v. Wade. ‘So I don’t know why you’re not seeing that,’ I said. “He was like, ‘I don’t want to deal with this.’ He said, ‘Ma’am, it means two persons outside of the body.’"
“He waved me on to the next cop who gave me a citation and said, ‘If you fight it, it will most likely get dropped.’ But they still gave me a ticket. So my $215 ticket was written to cause inconvenience? This has my blood boiling. How could this be fair? According to the new law, this is a life. I know this may fall on deaf ears, but as a woman, this was shocking.”
The sheriff’s department declined to comment on Bottone’s pregnancy argument. She says she doesn’t believe the state should have it both ways. If a fetus is considered a life before birth, then why doesn’t that count as a second passenger? I asked Amy O’Donnell, spokeswoman for Texas Alliance for Life, an anti-abortion group, what she thought of this unusual situation. She replied, “While the penal code in Texas recognizes an unborn child as a person in our state, the Texas Transportation Code does not specify the same. And a child residing in a mother’s womb is not taking up an extra seat. And with only one occupant taking up a seat, the car did not meet the criteria needed to drive in that lane.”
Translation: In Texas, whether or not a fetus is considered a living human being depends on which definition is needed to punish a pregnant woman.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:42 am
by kroxquo
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:49 am
I guess a fetus isn't always considered a life, even in Texas:
Pregnant woman says her fetus should count as a passenger in HOV lanes. She got a ticket
On June 29 [Brandy Bottone, a woman who was 34 weeks pregnant] was driving on U.S. Highway 75 South and headed to the Interstate 635 West interchange.
“I was driving to pick up my son. I knew I couldn’t be a minute late, so I took the HOV [high-occupancy vehicle] lane. As I exited the HOV, there was a checkpoint at the end of the exit. I slammed on my brakes, and I was pulled over by police.
“An officer peeked in and asked, ‘Is there anybody else in the car?’ “I said, ‘Well, yes.’ He asked, ‘Where?’ I pointed to my stomach and said, ‘My baby girl is right here. She is a person.’ He said, ‘Oh, no. It’s got to be two people outside of the body.’"
“One officer kind of brushed me off when I mentioned this is a living child, according to everything that’s going on with the overturning of Roe v. Wade. ‘So I don’t know why you’re not seeing that,’ I said. “He was like, ‘I don’t want to deal with this.’ He said, ‘Ma’am, it means two persons outside of the body.’"
“He waved me on to the next cop who gave me a citation and said, ‘If you fight it, it will most likely get dropped.’ But they still gave me a ticket. So my $215 ticket was written to cause inconvenience? This has my blood boiling. How could this be fair? According to the new law, this is a life. I know this may fall on deaf ears, but as a woman, this was shocking.”
The sheriff’s department declined to comment on Bottone’s pregnancy argument. She says she doesn’t believe the state should have it both ways. If a fetus is considered a life before birth, then why doesn’t that count as a second passenger? I asked Amy O’Donnell, spokeswoman for Texas Alliance for Life, an anti-abortion group, what she thought of this unusual situation. She replied, “While the penal code in Texas recognizes an unborn child as a person in our state, the Texas Transportation Code does not specify the same. And a child residing in a mother’s womb is not taking up an extra seat. And with only one occupant taking up a seat, the car did not meet the criteria needed to drive in that lane.”
Translation: In Texas, whether or not a fetus is considered a living human being depends on which definition is needed to punish a pregnant woman.
I wonder if pregnant women will be able to deduct unborn children from their taxes next year?
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 5:30 am
by Estonut
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Sat Jul 09, 2022 3:49 am
I guess a fetus isn't always considered a life, even in Texas:
Pregnant woman says her fetus should count as a passenger in HOV lanes. She got a ticket
On June 29 [Brandy Bottone, a woman who was 34 weeks pregnant] was driving on U.S. Highway 75 South and headed to the Interstate 635 West interchange.
“I was driving to pick up my son. I knew I couldn’t be a minute late, so I took the HOV [high-occupancy vehicle] lane. As I exited the HOV, there was a checkpoint at the end of the exit. I slammed on my brakes, and I was pulled over by police.
“An officer peeked in and asked, ‘Is there anybody else in the car?’ “I said, ‘Well, yes.’ He asked, ‘Where?’ I pointed to my stomach and said, ‘My baby girl is right here. She is a person.’ He said, ‘Oh, no. It’s got to be two people outside of the body.’"
“One officer kind of brushed me off when I mentioned this is a living child, according to everything that’s going on with the overturning of Roe v. Wade. ‘So I don’t know why you’re not seeing that,’ I said. “He was like, ‘I don’t want to deal with this.’ He said, ‘Ma’am, it means two persons outside of the body.’"
“He waved me on to the next cop who gave me a citation and said, ‘If you fight it, it will most likely get dropped.’ But they still gave me a ticket. So my $215 ticket was written to cause inconvenience? This has my blood boiling. How could this be fair? According to the new law, this is a life. I know this may fall on deaf ears, but as a woman, this was shocking.”
The sheriff’s department declined to comment on Bottone’s pregnancy argument. She says she doesn’t believe the state should have it both ways. If a fetus is considered a life before birth, then why doesn’t that count as a second passenger? I asked Amy O’Donnell, spokeswoman for Texas Alliance for Life, an anti-abortion group, what she thought of this unusual situation. She replied, “While the penal code in Texas recognizes an unborn child as a person in our state, the Texas Transportation Code does not specify the same. And a child residing in a mother’s womb is not taking up an extra seat. And with only one occupant taking up a seat, the car did not meet the criteria needed to drive in that lane.”
Translation: In Texas, whether or not a fetus is considered a living human being depends on which definition is needed to punish a pregnant woman.
You're not a very skilled translator.
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:56 pm
by tlynn78
The rest of the story: turns out, the rapist was one of beneficiaries of Biden and Kamala's failed immigration 'plan'
"The story was eventually echoed by President Biden in a speech last week in announcing measures to protect abortion access in the wake of the recent Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v Wade.
"Ten years old. Raped, six weeks pregnant. Already traumatized. Was forced to travel to another state. Imagine being that little girl," Biden said."
Re: Dobbs comes down
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:46 pm
by silverscreenselect
tlynn78 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:56 pm
The rest of the story: turns out, the rapist was one of beneficiaries of Biden and Kamala's failed immigration 'plan'
Up until the arrest, right wing media was claiming the story was all a Democratic hoax. It's good that they are so adept at pivoting from one issue to another so quickly.
