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#1 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:51 pm

Major flooding, water treatment plant icky, infrastructure, etc. Yellowstone River, Billings enaht.
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#2 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:31 pm

The Yellowstone and Gallatin Rivers are flooding; the rest of Montana is safe.
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#3 Post by tlynn78 » Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:16 pm

The Yellowstone runs hundreds of miles across (mostly) Montana. My mom lives between the East Rosebud and the Stillwater, which flows into the Yellowstone. She's very blessed to be in a safe spot. Several family friends have flood damage, some have (had) cabins and/or vehicles that the rivers have taken. There are miners who've had to stay at the platinum/palladium mine since end of shift Monday, because the road washed out. So weird, I've traveled that road hundreds of times to go camping, hiking, or to a friend's cabin. Some Search & Rescue friends had to evacuate 65 or so campers by raft..that looked terrifying. The videos of the roads washed out in Yellowstone Park are just unbelievable. My city is in pretty good shape, except for the water treatment plant, but several smaller communities across the southern part of the state are getting hit pretty hard. I'm hearing reports of flooding in the northwest parts of the state, and as far to the east as Miles City. Temps in the 90s this weekend will cause significant snowmelt runoff, but at least the river here has reached its crest and begun to recede. Out west, Missoula is bracing, as they have a good sized river that bisects the city.
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#4 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Thu Jun 16, 2022 6:37 am

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The Yellowstone and Gallatin Rivers are flooding; the rest of Montana is safe.


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#6 Post by Bob Juch » Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:41 am

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#7 Post by tlynn78 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:39 am

The park is a mess, but they'll have all the funds they need. Billings will be fine (in general) - it's really all the smaller, outlying communities that are hardest hit. Missoula has the Clark Fork running right through the middle, so that might get dicey - but Montana peeps are among the most resilient; we'll be fine <mostly>.
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#8 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:16 pm

This is a serious comment and not snark or political commentary:

From what I've heard, Governor Greg Gianforte has been missing for several days and nobody seems to know where he is. Does t-girl or anyone else know what's happening?
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#9 Post by tlynn78 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:34 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:16 pm
This is a serious comment and not snark or political commentary:

From what I've heard, Governor Greg Gianforte has been missing for several days and nobody seems to know where he is. Does t-girl or anyone else know what's happening?
He's been out of town on a long-planned trip, which began before the rainstorms that precipitated the flooding. He's monitoring the situation, and having meetings remotely, and is on his way back, last I heard. He's most definitely not 'missing'.
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#10 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:59 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:16 pm
This is a serious comment and not snark or political commentary:

From what I've heard, Governor Greg Gianforte has been missing for several days and nobody seems to know where he is. Does t-girl or anyone else know what's happening?
He's been on vacation in Italy. Which I guess isn't quite as bad as hiking the Appalachian Trail, but it's still not a good look when your state's in crisis. --Bob
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#11 Post by Estonut » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:17 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:59 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:16 pm
This is a serious comment and not snark or political commentary:

From what I've heard, Governor Greg Gianforte has been missing for several days and nobody seems to know where he is. Does t-girl or anyone else know what's happening?
He's been on vacation in Italy. Which I guess isn't quite as bad as hiking the Appalachian Trail, but it's still not a good look when your state's in crisis.
Did your thorough research not indicate that he left well before the crisis? Or that he was handling this remotely while trying to return ASAP? What, exactly, do you think your beloved Gavin Newsom would have done to provide a better look in such a case?
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#12 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:54 am

Estonut wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:17 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:59 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:16 pm
This is a serious comment and not snark or political commentary:

From what I've heard, Governor Greg Gianforte has been missing for several days and nobody seems to know where he is. Does t-girl or anyone else know what's happening?
He's been on vacation in Italy. Which I guess isn't quite as bad as hiking the Appalachian Trail, but it's still not a good look when your state's in crisis.
Did your thorough research not indicate that he left well before the crisis? Or that he was handling this remotely while trying to return ASAP? What, exactly, do you think your beloved Gavin Newsom would have done to provide a better look in such a case?
I doubt Newsom would instruct his office to refuse to say where he was.
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#13 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:33 am

Estonut wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:17 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:59 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:16 pm
This is a serious comment and not snark or political commentary:

From what I've heard, Governor Greg Gianforte has been missing for several days and nobody seems to know where he is. Does t-girl or anyone else know what's happening?
He's been on vacation in Italy. Which I guess isn't quite as bad as hiking the Appalachian Trail, but it's still not a good look when your state's in crisis.
Did your thorough research not indicate that he left well before the crisis? Or that he was handling this remotely while trying to return ASAP? What, exactly, do you think your beloved Gavin Newsom would have done to provide a better look in such a case?
He made the choice not to end his vacation early while his state was dealing with a 500-year flood. Just as Ted Cruz made a choice to leave for Mexico while his state was dealing with a crisis. People can make their own judgments about what that choice says about his leadership and character. Just as they did when he criminally assaulted a reporter.

Personally, as someone who has had to interrupt vacations to deal with work emergencies, I prefer leaders like Zelensky, who placed his own personal safety at risk and refused offers to evacuate him in order to remain at his post. --Bob
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#14 Post by Beebs52 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:45 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:33 am
Estonut wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:17 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:59 pm
He's been on vacation in Italy. Which I guess isn't quite as bad as hiking the Appalachian Trail, but it's still not a good look when your state's in crisis.
Did your thorough research not indicate that he left well before the crisis? Or that he was handling this remotely while trying to return ASAP? What, exactly, do you think your beloved Gavin Newsom would have done to provide a better look in such a case?
He made the choice not to end his vacation early while his state was dealing with a 500-year flood. Just as Ted Cruz made a choice to leave for Mexico while his state was dealing with a crisis. People can make their own judgments about what that choice says about his leadership and character. Just as they did when he criminally assaulted a reporter.

Personally, as someone who has had to interrupt vacations to deal with work emergencies, I prefer leaders like Zelensky, who placed his own personal safety at risk and refused offers to evacuate him in order to remain at his post. --Bob
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#15 Post by tlynn78 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:50 am

Beebs52 wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:45 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 10:33 am
Estonut wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:17 am
Did your thorough research not indicate that he left well before the crisis? Or that he was handling this remotely while trying to return ASAP? What, exactly, do you think your beloved Gavin Newsom would have done to provide a better look in such a case?
He made the choice not to end his vacation early while his state was dealing with a 500-year flood. Just as Ted Cruz made a choice to leave for Mexico while his state was dealing with a crisis. People can make their own judgments about what that choice says about his leadership and character. Just as they did when he criminally assaulted a reporter.

Personally, as someone who has had to interrupt vacations to deal with work emergencies, I prefer leaders like Zelensky, who placed his own personal safety at risk and refused offers to evacuate him in order to remain at his post. --Bob
Do you ever dislocate your shoulder from back-patting?
Double jointed?
Gianforte should be more like Newsom when he hosted a mask-free indoor dinner party at the height of COVID. Maybe Gianforte will organize a water balloon fight in Red Lodge when he gets back.
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#16 Post by Spock » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:11 pm

Bob Juch wrote:
Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:31 pm
The Yellowstone and Gallatin Rivers are flooding; the rest of Montana is safe.
Said the obnoxious, blowhard, internet know-it-all who (given flooding concerns in other parts of the state) apparently could not be more wrong.

https://montanafreepress.org/2022/06/14 ... y-on-edge/

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#17 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:51 pm

Spock wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:11 pm
Bob Juch wrote:
Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:31 pm
The Yellowstone and Gallatin Rivers are flooding; the rest of Montana is safe.
Said the obnoxious, blowhard, internet know-it-all who (given flooding concerns in other parts of the state) apparently could not be more wrong.

https://montanafreepress.org/2022/06/14 ... y-on-edge/
At the time I wrote it, my statement was correct.
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#18 Post by Beebs52 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:08 pm

Bob Juch wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:51 pm
Spock wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:11 pm
Bob Juch wrote:
Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:31 pm
The Yellowstone and Gallatin Rivers are flooding; the rest of Montana is safe.
Said the obnoxious, blowhard, internet know-it-all who (given flooding concerns in other parts of the state) apparently could not be more wrong.

https://montanafreepress.org/2022/06/14 ... y-on-edge/
At the time I wrote it, my statement was correct.
You cited no source then. Afterwards, you posted a NY Times link. They'll certainly be on the case...
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#19 Post by tlynn78 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:50 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:08 pm
Bob Juch wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:51 pm
Spock wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:11 pm


Said the obnoxious, blowhard, internet know-it-all who (given flooding concerns in other parts of the state) apparently could not be more wrong.

https://montanafreepress.org/2022/06/14 ... y-on-edge/
At the time I wrote it, my statement was correct.
You cited no source then. Afterwards, you posted a NY Times link. They'll certainly be on the case...
And, actually, when I read that post, I'd already heard about issues with the Flathead, et al, but though eh, why bother?
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#20 Post by Estonut » Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:22 am

Bob Juch wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:54 am
Estonut wrote:
Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:17 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:59 pm
He's been on vacation in Italy. Which I guess isn't quite as bad as hiking the Appalachian Trail, but it's still not a good look when your state's in crisis.
Did your thorough research not indicate that he left well before the crisis? Or that he was handling this remotely while trying to return ASAP? What, exactly, do you think your beloved Gavin Newsom would have done to provide a better look in such a case?
I doubt Newsom would instruct his office to refuse to say where he was.
Based on what? His previous actions indicate otherwise.
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#21 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:19 am

I just got an email today from my friend Aaron Frale. He's one of the authors I've reviewed on Amazon (as well as two of our current Bored members). I appeared on his podcast a couple of years ago. He moved to Montana a while back and I asked him whether the flooding affected him:
Yeah, the flooding happened where we used to live. We literally missed it by a few days. Though Billings wasn't as bad as Red Lodge and the Yellowstone park. That road that was washed away, we had driven on many times. We'd go through Red Lodge over the Beartooth to Yellowstone, and out by Gardener, so it was crazy to see all these places we had frequented many times under water (an Airbnb we had stayed at was right in the worst of the flooding in Red Lodge).
His wife had just taken a new job in Butte, and they had moved there recently. It wasn't until I heard from him just how close he had come.
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