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Be Prepared for Bad News Out of Ukraine

#1 Post by Spock » Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:48 am

I have been wondering about stuff like this as we have basically only heard Ukrainian propaganda-but the narrative is starting to shift hard that things are not going well for Ukraine.

Just warning those here that might be big Ukraine partisans to be prepared for bad news.

Last night, on NPR a story which I found through channel scanning-they were talking about the war turning against Ukraine.

Plus this recent report.

https://news.yahoo.com/intelligence-rep ... 36886.html

Oh, and BTW-A major theme of the NPR reporting was that we really only hear Ukrainian propaganda-so it is not just me saying that.

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#2 Post by silverscreenselect » Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:12 am

Spock wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:48 am
Oh, and BTW-A major theme of the NPR reporting was that we really only hear Ukrainian propaganda-so it is not just me saying that.
There have been doom-and-gloom reports coming out of Ukraine since day one, and almost every day CNN has reported on the big new Russian offensives. The fact is that almost no territory has changed hands in a couple of weeks now. The Ukrainians are pushing the West to get as much weaponry as they can, so your point is actually 180 degrees off. Releasing reports about how great the war is going aren't going to lead to more arms shipments.
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#3 Post by Bob Juch » Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:46 am

Ukraine is running low on artillery shells. More are coming from the West.
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#4 Post by BackInTex » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:16 am

Bob Juch wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:46 am
Ukraine is running low on artillery shells. More are coming from the West.
Source?
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#5 Post by Bob Juch » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:24 am

BackInTex wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:16 am
Bob Juch wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:46 am
Ukraine is running low on artillery shells. More are coming from the West.
Source?
Many print and video sources, here's one: https://www.newsweek.com/we-are-out-amm ... wn-1715060
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#6 Post by Bob Juch » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:40 pm

If you want to really know what's going on, follow the link.

Since the start of Russia's invasion, the Institute for the Study of War has provided daily updates about the situation on the front. The assessments from the Washington-based research group have become required reading for those of us following the war.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... 1bf5005b9b
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#7 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:17 pm

Bob Juch wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:40 pm
If you want to really know what's going on, follow the link.

Since the start of Russia's invasion, the Institute for the Study of War has provided daily updates about the situation on the front. The assessments from the Washington-based research group have become required reading for those of us following the war.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... 1bf5005b9b
I would guess they ain't down by the riverside. Otherwise they wouldn't be studyin' war no more.
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#8 Post by Weyoun » Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:20 pm

Yes, the situation in the Donbas is going poorly, but folks who have been paying by attention could have told you that.

Btw does the Russian success make you horny?

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#9 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:04 pm

Weyoun wrote:
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Yes, the situation in the Donbas is going poorly, but folks who have been paying by attention could have told you that.

Btw does the Russian success make you horny?
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#10 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:07 am

While most of the media attention is focused on a small part of the Donbas region, Ukraine has been making substantial progress in its efforts to retake Kherson, the largest Ukrainian city currently under Russian control. There are unconfirmed reports that their forces are within 18 kilometers (about 11 miles) of Kherson. Recapturing Kherson would be an enormous strategic and propaganda win for Ukraine. The Russians have been making plans to annex Kherson for the last month, and are even having school classes taught in Russian with Russian textbooks.

In recent weeks, there were reports that the Russians were sending Vietnam War era tanks to the Kherson area, and the troops they have stationed there aren't their best either. Ukraine can sense weakness in an area and exploit it, as they have done with their other counterattacks to date.
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#11 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:55 am

Bob Juch wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:46 am
Ukraine is running low on artillery shells. More are coming from the West.
Technically, they are running out of shells for the older Russian/Soviet style artillery they had when the war began. Not surprisingly, the US and many other Western nations don't stock those shells. We have been sending shells for the new howitzers we've been sending, and as those come on line, the problem with the old artillery will be less of an issue.
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#12 Post by jarnon » Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:58 am

Ukraine said Wednesday that nine Russian warplanes were destroyed in a deadly string of explosions at an air base in Crimea that appeared to be the result of a Ukrainian attack, which would represent a significant escalation in the war.

Russia denied any aircraft were damaged in Tuesday's blasts — or that any attack took place. But satellite photos clearly showed at least seven fighter planes at the base had been blown up and others probably damaged.

Ukrainian officials stopped short of publicly claiming responsibility for the explosions, while mocking Russia’s explanation that a careless smoker might have caused ammunition at the Saki air base to catch fire and blow up.

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#13 Post by silverscreenselect » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:09 pm

Spock wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:48 am
I have been wondering about stuff like this as we have basically only heard Ukrainian propaganda-but the narrative is starting to shift hard that things are not going well for Ukraine.

Just warning those here that might be big Ukraine partisans to be prepared for bad news.

Last night, on NPR a story which I found through channel scanning-they were talking about the war turning against Ukraine.

Plus this recent report.

https://news.yahoo.com/intelligence-rep ... 36886.html

Oh, and BTW-A major theme of the NPR reporting was that we really only hear Ukrainian propaganda-so it is not just me saying that.
Just thought I'd bring up another one of Spock's threads that hasn't aged too well. Over the summer, the Russian offensive ground to a halt while the Ukrainians began using the advanced weaponry we've been sending them. They then began announcing that they would begin a major offensive in the Kherson region in the south of the country "soon." Kherson is the largest city that the Russians captured since the beginning of the war. The Russians took the bait and moved a lot of troops south. In the last week, the Ukrainians began their counteroffensive and attacked heavily in the north and central parts of the country. Essentially, the Russian units have broken down and many are fleeing, deserting, or surrendering, leaving lots of weaponry and ammunition behind. Ukrainian forces are on the outskirts of Donetsk, which was occupied by pro-Russian forces in 2014 and the capital of the so-called Donetsk People's Republic. Several other sizable cities have also been recaptured in the last week.

This hasn't gotten much press in the US because of the Trump and Queen Elizabeth stories, but this is a massive breakthrough by the Ukrainians. (The Russians are once again claiming they are repositioning their forces like they did when they retreated from Kyiv.)
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#14 Post by Weyoun » Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:47 am

Spock may want to consider taking that picture of a shirtless Putin riding a horse off his bedroom wall

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#15 Post by jarnon » Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:59 am

Remarks as Russia “annexes” four areas of Ukraine:
Vladimir Putin wrote:Do we really want, here, in our country, in Russia, instead of “mum” and “dad”, to have “parent No. 1”, “parent No. 2”, “No. 3”? Have they gone completely insane? Do we really want ... it drilled into children in our schools ... that there are supposedly genders besides women and men, and [children to be] offered the chance to undergo sex change operations? ... We have a different future, our own future.
Andriy Yermak (Zelenskyy chief of staff) wrote:We continue to work and liberate Ukrainian territories. And we don’t pay attention to those whose time to take pills has come. The army is working, Ukraine is united. Only moving forward.
Denis Pushilin (leader of Donetsk) wrote:Ukraine’s armed formations are trying very hard to spoil our celebration.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy wrote:Today Ukraine is submitting its application for NATO Membership.

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