Estonut wrote: ↑Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:45 am
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:34 am
Where the hell was this outrage when Donny unleashed an armed mob that ACTUALLY INVADED Congress to interfere with the transfer of power that the voters had determined?
Stop it with your "armed mob" bullshit! No one brought any actual arms. They picked up poles, posts, whatever. Constantly calling them an "armed mob" gives the impression that they were armed with guns while you know that is not true. Both the Congressional Baseball Game shooter alone and the intended assassin of Judge Kavanaugh alone were far better armed and well-planned than this "mob."
By your definition, the non-mobs ACTUALLY INVADING the neighborhoods of Supreme Court Justices to interfere with the judicial process are armed, too. Just that their "arms" are pre-meditated, not incidental.
Yep, that guy who had the poster of Brett Kavanaugh was certainly carrying a dangerous weapon. Someone might have had a heart attack laughing at how silly it looked.
A lot of the insurrectionists were carrying various types of sprays. They obviously brought those weapons with them. Some of them, including the guy taking the selfie on Nancy Pelosi's desk, had high voltage stun guns. Others carried baseball bats and hockey sticks. There are usually a lot of them lying around on the streets. And if I ever used one of them on somebody, I'd get charged with assault with a deadly weapon (and murder if they died). Lots of courts have said so. According to a government report, 114 police officers reported injuries from the attack, and 17 were still unable to work five months later. Those were reported injuries; other estimates are even higher.
From Newsweek, which is not exactly part of the liberal media:
Fact Check: Were There Armed Protesters at the Capitol on January 6?
Dozens of social media users have claimed or implied that protesters that stormed the Capitol on January 6 were unarmed. Those claims re-emerged on the back of the recent House Select committee hearings. [O]n June 11, 2022, shows a clip from Tucker Carlson Tonight in which Carlson says the events of Jan. 6 did not amount to an insurrection because none of the protesters were carrying guns. "An insurrection is when people with guns try to overthrow the government. Not a single person in the crowd on January 6th was found to be carrying firearm. Not one." However, not only is there substantial and clear evidence that there were protesters with guns, it's also not clear why Carlson and other commentators believe that guns are a defining character of an insurrection.
In April, 72-year-old Lonnie Coffman of Falkville, Alabama, was sentenced to four years in prison for bringing loaded guns, ammunition and Molotov cocktail ingredients to Washington on Jan. 6. The weapons were found in his truck—parked less than half a mile from the Capitol building—which he left to attend a rally at the National Mall. A statement by the Department of Justice said Coffman "also carried a loaded handgun and a loaded revolver as he walked around the area that day."
In March 2022, 49-year-old Texan Guy Reffitt, was convicted (among other charges) for being unlawfully present on Capitol grounds while possessing a firearm and transporting firearms during civil disorder. A Department of Justice indictment from January 2021 also states that Christopher Alberts, Maryland, was found carrying a Taurus G2C semi-automatic handgun on Capitol grounds on January 6. Off-duty Drug Enforcement Administration agent Mark Sami Ibrahim, 32, was also indicted by a grand jury for bringing a firearm within the United States Capitol and its grounds.
In an article for Newsweek, Nick Suplina and Justin Wagner of Everytown for Gun Safety said they had identified "12 individuals allegedly tied to the events of Jan. 6 who were arrested in Washington, D.C., and charged with firearms offenses." A U.S. Capitol Police intelligence division report also found posts on now defunct blog thedonald.win in the lead-up to Jan. 6, which, the report said, contained "several comments [that] promote confronting members of Congress and carrying firearms during the protest." Further comments on the site included "Bring guns. It's now or never" and "Don't cuck out. This is do or die. Bring your guns."
But while there is clear evidence showing that firearms were indeed brought into the January 6 march, the underlying claim itself is somewhat of a red herring, because it implies that possession of firearms is somehow a condition for an insurrection. American politics expert Professor Angelia Wilson of the University of Manchester, told Newsweek that insurrection is an act of violent resistance against a civil authority or government, that may involve any weapon or hand-to-hand combat. "On January 6th, the act of using a crowd-control railing to hit those charged with defending the Capitol building is an act of insurrection," Wilson said. "Had the protesters reached Vice President Pence, it would not have mattered if they used a gun or a noose, attacking the Vice-President is an act of insurrection.
"There is no doubt that protesters who violently attacked those defending the Capitol on January 6th were committing acts of insurrection."
On this count, there is also plenty of evidence that protesters were carrying other weapons and acted violently towards authorities. Among the more than 800 people charged in connection with the Jan. 6 riot, more than 85 have been accused of using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer. There were also the reports of pipe bombs found near the Capitol before January 6, though the investigation into who was behind them is still ongoing.