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..of things the Biden regime is going to need to find a scapegoat for.

Iran is turning off all the cameras the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) uses to monitor their nuclear program. So, it would be an educated guess that Iran is proceeding to create nuclear weapons. And they have the technology to send them to Israel, as they've threatened to do for decades now.

https://freebeacon.com/columns/the-iran-crisis-is-here/

Darn, if we can only get them to sign a piece of paper!

How do you people justify this guy's utter failure at everything?

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:24 pm

So, it would be an educated guess that Iran is proceeding to create nuclear weapons.

Gee, if we only had a treaty in place with Iran...

Oh wait, we did. And a certain former President scuttled that.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:24 pm

..of things the Biden regime is going to need to find a scapegoat for.

Iran is turning off all the cameras the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) uses to monitor their nuclear program. So, it would be an educated guess that Iran is proceeding to create nuclear weapons. And they have the technology to send them to Israel, as they've threatened to do for decades now.

https://freebeacon.com/columns/the-iran-crisis-is-here/

Darn, if we can only get them to sign a piece of paper!

How do you people justify this guy's utter failure at everything?

We had an agreement with Iran regarding this, but the former administration scuttled it.

earendel wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:13 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:24 pm

..of things the Biden regime is going to need to find a scapegoat for.

Iran is turning off all the cameras the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) uses to monitor their nuclear program. So, it would be an educated guess that Iran is proceeding to create nuclear weapons. And they have the technology to send them to Israel, as they've threatened to do for decades now.

https://freebeacon.com/columns/the-iran-crisis-is-here/

Darn, if we can only get them to sign a piece of paper!

How do you people justify this guy's utter failure at everything?

We had an agreement with Iran regarding this, but the former administration scuttled it.

Right. You mean the deal where Obama unilaterally shipped $1.7 billion dollars in cash to Iran for a 10 year delay on Iran getting nukes?
Canceling that deal was one of the first things Trump did. And, he took out the worst terrorist in the world to boot. Iran did next to nothing.

Again, why did Iran wait so long to blatantly defy the IAEA? Why did Russia wait so long to invade Ukraine, even though he controlled Trump?
Could it be they know Biden's idiots won't do anything about it?

Try and recognize propaganda when it's being fed to you.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:17 am

Why did Russia wait so long to invade Ukraine, even though he controlled Trump?

Because he knew that if Trump were re-elected, he could get anything he wanted from Trump. The Russians began building up troops for the invasion in March 2021 (it takes quite a while to gather and arm an invasion force of that size).

Putin pushed Biden misinformation to Trump allies and media in 2020 election

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:17 am

earendel wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:13 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:24 pm

..of things the Biden regime is going to need to find a scapegoat for.

Iran is turning off all the cameras the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) uses to monitor their nuclear program. So, it would be an educated guess that Iran is proceeding to create nuclear weapons. And they have the technology to send them to Israel, as they've threatened to do for decades now.

https://freebeacon.com/columns/the-iran-crisis-is-here/

Darn, if we can only get them to sign a piece of paper!

How do you people justify this guy's utter failure at everything?

We had an agreement with Iran regarding this, but the former administration scuttled it.

Right. You mean the deal where Obama unilaterally shipped $1.7 billion dollars in cash to Iran for a 10 year delay on Iran getting nukes?
Canceling that deal was one of the first things Trump did. And, he took out the worst terrorist in the world to boot. Iran did next to nothing.

Again, why did Iran wait so long to blatantly defy the IAEA? Why did Russia wait so long to invade Ukraine, even though he controlled Trump?
Could it be they know Biden's idiots won't do anything about it?

Try and recognize propaganda when it's being fed to you.

Iran was complying with the terms of the agreement. When Trump cancelled it, Iran was under no obligation to continue to do so, but they did, in the hopes that the U.S. might return to the negotiating table. Moreover the Europeans, who were involved in the negotiations, urged Iran to continue to abide by the agreement.

I suspect the reason that Iran is acting now is that the attention of the world is on Ukraine. Don't forget that Russia was involved in the treaty as well.

And just what would you have the Biden administration do? Surely you don't think that the military option (bombing the enrichment sites, for instance) is a good idea.

earendel wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:17 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:17 am

earendel wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:13 am

We had an agreement with Iran regarding this, but the former administration scuttled it.

Right. You mean the deal where Obama unilaterally shipped $1.7 billion dollars in cash to Iran for a 10 year delay on Iran getting nukes?
Canceling that deal was one of the first things Trump did. And, he took out the worst terrorist in the world to boot. Iran did next to nothing.

Again, why did Iran wait so long to blatantly defy the IAEA? Why did Russia wait so long to invade Ukraine, even though he controlled Trump?
Could it be they know Biden's idiots won't do anything about it?

Try and recognize propaganda when it's being fed to you.

Iran was complying with the terms of the agreement. When Trump cancelled it, Iran was under no obligation to continue to do so, but they did, in the hopes that the U.S. might return to the negotiating table. Moreover the Europeans, who were involved in the negotiations, urged Iran to continue to abide by the agreement.

I suspect the reason that Iran is acting now is that the attention of the world is on Ukraine. Don't forget that Russia was involved in the treaty as well.

And just what would you have the Biden administration do? Surely you don't think that the military option (bombing the enrichment sites, for instance) is a good idea.

Y'all just continue to be utterly laughable in your attempts to shore up your complete failure of a president.

tlynn78 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:22 pm

earendel wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:17 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:17 am

Right. You mean the deal where Obama unilaterally shipped $1.7 billion dollars in cash to Iran for a 10 year delay on Iran getting nukes?
Canceling that deal was one of the first things Trump did. And, he took out the worst terrorist in the world to boot. Iran did next to nothing.

Again, why did Iran wait so long to blatantly defy the IAEA? Why did Russia wait so long to invade Ukraine, even though he controlled Trump?
Could it be they know Biden's idiots won't do anything about it?

Try and recognize propaganda when it's being fed to you.

Iran was complying with the terms of the agreement. When Trump cancelled it, Iran was under no obligation to continue to do so, but they did, in the hopes that the U.S. might return to the negotiating table. Moreover the Europeans, who were involved in the negotiations, urged Iran to continue to abide by the agreement.

I suspect the reason that Iran is acting now is that the attention of the world is on Ukraine. Don't forget that Russia was involved in the treaty as well.

And just what would you have the Biden administration do? Surely you don't think that the military option (bombing the enrichment sites, for instance) is a good idea.

Y'all just continue to be utterly laughable in your attempts to shore up your complete failure of a president.

Since you e-bigots can't seem to string anything together....

President Trump negotiated this thing called The Abraham Accords. Remember that from the distant past? The most significant strides towards REAL PEACE in the middle east since, and probably including, the Camp David Accords. One of the main drivers of these accords was fear of Iran. Trump's policies towards Iran gave these countries confidence that these accords would be of benefit to them. More countries were apparently forthcoming.

The Biden regime has, like everything else, disavowed and discontinued anything that had anything to do with Trump, no matter the cost and good to this country and/or the world. Hatred of Trump was the only criterion. Apparently, the Abraham Accords were a victim of TDS. A non-treaty with Iran, that they would cheat on anyway, was more important

Thanks for that.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:45 pm

tlynn78 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:22 pm

earendel wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:17 am

Iran was complying with the terms of the agreement. When Trump cancelled it, Iran was under no obligation to continue to do so, but they did, in the hopes that the U.S. might return to the negotiating table. Moreover the Europeans, who were involved in the negotiations, urged Iran to continue to abide by the agreement.

I suspect the reason that Iran is acting now is that the attention of the world is on Ukraine. Don't forget that Russia was involved in the treaty as well.

And just what would you have the Biden administration do? Surely you don't think that the military option (bombing the enrichment sites, for instance) is a good idea.

Y'all just continue to be utterly laughable in your attempts to shore up your complete failure of a president.

Since you e-bigots can't seem to string anything together....

President Trump negotiated this thing called The Abraham Accords. Remember that from the distant past? The most significant strides towards REAL PEACE in the middle east since, and probably including, the Camp David Accords. One of the main drivers of these accords was fear of Iran. Trump's policies towards Iran gave these countries confidence that these accords would be of benefit to them. More countries were apparently forthcoming.

The Biden regime has, like everything else, disavowed and discontinued anything that had anything to do with Trump, no matter the cost and good to this country and/or the world. Hatred of Trump was the only criterion. Apparently, the Abraham Accords were a victim of TDS. A non-treaty with Iran, that they would cheat on anyway, was more important

Thanks for that.

I'm sorry, but you apparently are confused with what TFG did with Obama's accomplishments.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:45 pm

One of the main drivers of these accords was fear of Iran. Trump's policies towards Iran gave these countries confidence that these accords would be of benefit to them.

Let me see if I've got this straight.

In order to get peace between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, Trump needed both of them to be afraid of a nuclear Iran. So, he backed out of our treaty with Iran so that Iran might again pursue nukes and by so doing scare Israel and the UAE into putting aside their differences.

Do you know how dumb that sounds?

Geez, stalker, I wasn't even done editing before you troll me.
Are you just waiting there, or do you get notifications any time I post something?

tlynn78 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:22 pm

earendel wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:17 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:17 am

Right. You mean the deal where Obama unilaterally shipped $1.7 billion dollars in cash to Iran for a 10 year delay on Iran getting nukes?
Canceling that deal was one of the first things Trump did. And, he took out the worst terrorist in the world to boot. Iran did next to nothing.

Again, why did Iran wait so long to blatantly defy the IAEA? Why did Russia wait so long to invade Ukraine, even though he controlled Trump?
Could it be they know Biden's idiots won't do anything about it?

Try and recognize propaganda when it's being fed to you.

Iran was complying with the terms of the agreement. When Trump cancelled it, Iran was under no obligation to continue to do so, but they did, in the hopes that the U.S. might return to the negotiating table. Moreover the Europeans, who were involved in the negotiations, urged Iran to continue to abide by the agreement.

I suspect the reason that Iran is acting now is that the attention of the world is on Ukraine. Don't forget that Russia was involved in the treaty as well.

And just what would you have the Biden administration do? Surely you don't think that the military option (bombing the enrichment sites, for instance) is a good idea.

Y'all just continue to be utterly laughable in your attempts to shore up your complete failure of a president.

That's not an answer to my question. What should the Biden administration do about this?

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:45 pm

Since you e-bigots can't seem to string anything together....

President Trump negotiated this thing called The Abraham Accords. Remember that from the distant past? The most significant strides towards REAL PEACE in the middle east since, and probably including, the Camp David Accords. One of the main drivers of these accords was fear of Iran. Trump's policies towards Iran gave these countries confidence that these accords would be of benefit to them. More countries were apparently forthcoming.

The Biden regime has, like everything else, disavowed and discontinued anything that had anything to do with Trump, no matter the cost and good to this country and/or the world. Hatred of Trump was the only criterion. Apparently, the Abraham Accords were a victim of TDS. A non-treaty with Iran, that they would cheat on anyway, was more important

Thanks for that.

I don't consider myself an e-bigot, but this still doesn't answer the question about what the Biden administration should do to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons. As for the Abraham Accords, as far as I know they are still in place.

earendel wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:36 pm

tlynn78 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:22 pm

earendel wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:17 am

Iran was complying with the terms of the agreement. When Trump cancelled it, Iran was under no obligation to continue to do so, but they did, in the hopes that the U.S. might return to the negotiating table. Moreover the Europeans, who were involved in the negotiations, urged Iran to continue to abide by the agreement.

I suspect the reason that Iran is acting now is that the attention of the world is on Ukraine. Don't forget that Russia was involved in the treaty as well.

And just what would you have the Biden administration do? Surely you don't think that the military option (bombing the enrichment sites, for instance) is a good idea.

Y'all just continue to be utterly laughable in your attempts to shore up your complete failure of a president.

That's not an answer to my question. What should the Biden administration do about this?

Well, ear, I am pretty confident that if either of these things, Ukraine or Iran, had happened during the Trump admin, you would not be asking that question.

You are free to voice what you suspect, as am I. Neither one of us can prove our suspicions are correct. So for what it is worth, I believe what you suspect is completely wrong.

The answer to your question is moot, I'm afraid. I know you don't believe it, but in our world, as it is, the only way to enforce peace is through strength. Trump believed that and he proved it to Iran by taking out Solemani. Iran's response to that was feeble because they knew they did not want to provoke any retaliation.

The Biden regime won't and now can't project strength and resolve. They are apparently beseeching Iran to go back to the 'deal' Obama made. WITH RUSSIA AS THE MIDDLE MAN? Iran's leaders are of a totally different mindset. They sponsor acts of terror all over the world. Do you really think they are interested in 'peace and love''?

It was not a treaty. It did not pass through Congress. And many people, including Trump, believed it did not stop Iran from building nuclear weapons. Just delayed it.

Iran is doing what they want because they see the weakness and lack of resolve in the Biden administration, just like Putin did.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:51 pm

Iran is doing what they want because they see the weakness and lack of resolve in the Biden administration, just like Putin did.

That's why Putin is hoping that Republicans take back control of Congress this year.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:45 pm

The Biden regime has, like everything else, disavowed and discontinued anything that had anything to do with Trump, no matter the cost and good to this country and/or the world. Hatred of Trump was the only criterion. Apparently, the Abraham Accords were a victim of TDS.

whitehouse.gov wrote:Readout of Vice President Harris’s Meeting with Crown Prince of Bahrain
They also discussed regional issues, such as the challenges posed by Iran, and the opportunities presented by the historic Abraham Accords.

Readout of President Biden’s Call with Prime Minister of Israel
The leaders discussed the importance of regional partnerships, as exemplified by the Abraham Accords

I think you're projecting Trump's obsession with his predecessor onto Biden.

jarnon wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:34 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:45 pm

The Biden regime has, like everything else, disavowed and discontinued anything that had anything to do with Trump, no matter the cost and good to this country and/or the world. Hatred of Trump was the only criterion. Apparently, the Abraham Accords were a victim of TDS.

whitehouse.gov wrote:Readout of Vice President Harris’s Meeting with Crown Prince of Bahrain
They also discussed regional issues, such as the challenges posed by Iran, and the opportunities presented by the historic Abraham Accords.

Oh, Harris went? The one who fixed the southern border? Did she giggle?

Readout of President Biden’s Call with Prime Minister of Israel
The leaders discussed the importance of regional partnerships, as exemplified by the Abraham Accords

I think you're projecting Trump's obsession with his predecessor onto Biden.

Great. Why have no others joined? Um, I don't recall seeing anything like the Abraham Accords during the Obama Administration. Only disrespect for Israel pretty much.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:51 pm

Well, ear, I am pretty confident that if either of these things, Ukraine or Iran, had happened during the Trump admin, you would not be asking that question.

Yes, I would have asked what the Trump administration should have done about them.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:51 pm

You are free to voice what you suspect, as am I. Neither one of us can prove our suspicions are correct. So for what it is worth, I believe what you suspect is completely wrong.

What is it that I suspect? Quite frankly I don't know what should be done about Iran. I don't believe that a military option (having Israel bomb the centrifuges, for instance) is viable.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:51 pm

The answer to your question is moot, I'm afraid. I know you don't believe it, but in our world, as it is, the only way to enforce peace is through strength. Trump believed that and he proved it to Iran by taking out Solemani. Iran's response to that was feeble because they knew they did not want to provoke any retaliation.

On the contrary, I do believe that peace is enforced through strength. But that doesn't necessarily mean killing someone. There are different kinds of strength.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:51 pm

It was not a treaty. It did not pass through Congress. And many people, including Trump, believed it did not stop Iran from building nuclear weapons. Just delayed it.

Agreed it wasn't a treaty, merely an agreement. And even the most optimistic among those involved didn't think that it would stop them, merely delay them. Again, I ask what the solution is, if there is one. Is there a way to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons?

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:51 pm

Iran is doing what they want because they see the weakness and lack of resolve in the Biden administration, just like Putin did.

Yes, and how's that working out for Putin in Ukraine?

Well, ear, I am pretty confident that if either of these things, Ukraine or Iran, had happened during the Trump admin, you would not be asking that question.
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Yes, I would have asked what the Trump administration should have done about them.

I am quite confident you would have been silent or you would have contributed to threads criticizing President Trump.

You are free to voice what you suspect, as am I. Neither one of us can prove our suspicions are correct. So for what it is worth, I believe what you suspect is completely wrong.
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What is it that I suspect? Quite frankly I don't know what should be done about Iran. I don't believe that a military option (having Israel bomb the centrifuges, for instance) is viable.

I suspect the reason that Iran is acting now is that the attention of the world is on Ukraine. Don't forget that Russia was involved in the treaty as well.
Neither one of us KNOWS why they are doing what they are doing. However, they have historically and vocally declared their ultimate goal. Trump was working to isolate them and the ayatollahs. Biden seems to think he can change their hearts. Good luck with that. Israel will do what it believes it needs to do, whether Biden or the world supports them or not. At least they would have known that Trump would have their back.

The answer to your question is moot, I'm afraid. I know you don't believe it, but in our world, as it is, the only way to enforce peace is through strength. Trump believed that and he proved it to Iran by taking out Solemani. Iran's response to that was feeble because they knew they did not want to provoke any retaliation.
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On the contrary, I do believe that peace is enforced through strength. But that doesn't necessarily mean killing someone. There are different kinds of strength.

What kind of strength has Biden displayed about anything?

It was not a treaty. It did not pass through Congress. And many people, including Trump, believed it did not stop Iran from building nuclear weapons. Just delayed it.
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Agreed it wasn't a treaty, merely an agreement. And even the most optimistic among those involved didn't think that it would stop them, merely delay them. Again, I ask what the solution is, if there is one. Is there a way to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons?

The LEADERSHIP of that country are the ones who are driving this. I believe the people of Iran do not want this. Obama had several opportunities to support uprisings by the Iranian people and did nothing. I believe Trump would have done what he could to isolate and help Iranians change their leadership, without doing it with our military. He was very vocal against using our military for regime changes. And the Abraham Accords were partially driven by fear of Iran's leadership in the region.

Iran is doing what they want because they see the weakness and lack of resolve in the Biden administration, just like Putin did.
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Yes, and how's that working out for Putin in Ukraine?

That remains to be seen. Putin may have overestimated his military capability and the passion of Ukrainian resistance. Let's hope Ukraine makes him realize he needs to pull back and reconsider his designs.