A Thought on Weyoun

[Spock]

You know, I have seen a lot of Arrogant Asses in my time but he just might take the cake.

He is acting just like a spoiled child.

His whole life-everybody has kissed his ass-"You are so smart"-etc etc

The first time somebody doesn't kiss his ass he lashes out like a bratty teen.

He might be smart, but he isn't wise.

Oh, and BTW-I thought he was an arrogant ass years ago on the Bored.

[franktangredi]

I'm just outraged. I don't care what this is all about. I don't care who's right or wrong. You don't start a thread with the express purpose of personally attacking someone.

I speak as someone who had my share of run-ins with him in the old days.

Can we all cut the crap that has driven a lot of people away from here?

[Spock]

"Smart" People got their kids the vaccine to prove how smart they are.

"Wise" people held back before giving their kids an untested vaccine for a disease that barely affects children.

[Weyoun]

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus ... ctor-says/

I happen to know the doctor, Dr. Faust, referenced in this article. He is both smart and wise. Whether or not he made a deal with Mephistopheles for those things, I don’t know, but he is someone I listen to.

[Estonut]

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus ... ctor-says/

I happen to know the doctor, Dr. Faust, referenced in this article. He is both smart and wise. Whether or not he made a deal with Mephistopheles for those things, I don’t know, but he is someone I listen to.

His numbers don't work.

Dr. Jeremy Faust, an emergency physician at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, wrote in an Inside Medicine post on Monday that at the peak of the omicron wave, COVID-19 killed more children per month than flu does on average each year.

In 2021, coronavirus killed about 600 children (an average of 50 per month), compared to the 10-year average of 120 children dying of the flu per year.

[Bob78164]

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus ... ctor-says/

I happen to know the doctor, Dr. Faust, referenced in this article. He is both smart and wise. Whether or not he made a deal with Mephistopheles for those things, I don’t know, but he is someone I listen to.

His numbers don't work.

Dr. Jeremy Faust, an emergency physician at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, wrote in an Inside Medicine post on Monday that at the peak of the omicron wave, COVID-19 killed more children per month than flu does on average each year.

In 2021, coronavirus killed about 600 children (an average of 50 per month), compared to the 10-year average of 120 children dying of the flu per year.

Yes, they do, as you'd have seen if you clicked through to Dr. Faust's actual post. In the peak month, 156 children died. That is, indeed, more than the 10-year annual average of 120 deaths from pediatric cases of influenza, and that is all Dr. Faust claimed. --Bob

[BackInTex]

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus ... ctor-says/

I happen to know the doctor, Dr. Faust, referenced in this article. He is both smart and wise. Whether or not he made a deal with Mephistopheles for those things, I don’t know, but he is someone I listen to.

His numbers don't work.

Dr. Jeremy Faust, an emergency physician at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, wrote in an Inside Medicine post on Monday that at the peak of the omicron wave, COVID-19 killed more children per month than flu does on average each year.

In 2021, coronavirus killed about 600 children (an average of 50 per month), compared to the 10-year average of 120 children dying of the flu per year.

Yes, they do, as you'd have seen if you clicked through to Dr. Faust's actual post. In the peak month, 156 children died. That is, indeed, more than the 10-year annual average of 120 deaths from pediatric cases of influenza, and that is all Dr. Faust claimed. --Bob

Is that 120 deaths per year at the US level? If so, that is a BS number. Here are the stats right off the CDC website that shows (in the 10 years of data available 2010-2019) an average of 435 children per year dying of the flu (including 2011 with a reported ZERO which is suspect). That is over 3.6 times higher than this "smart" doctor is saying. I know he quotes "CDC" vs "NCHS" and "cause" vs "underlying cause", but if you believe every reported "Cause = Covid 19" reported was as accurate and honest as every "Cause = Influenza" over the past 10 years, your not really thinking.

Anyway, here are the CDC numbers showing the average childhood deaths (2010-2019, 2020 and 2021 are not reported) from the Flu (average 435/year) including that "miracle year" 2011 where zero died.

2019: 486
2018: 372
2017: 526
2016: 251
2015: 268
2014: 803
2013: 130
2012: 1161
2011: 0
2010: 352

According to this site, 1070 children have died from Covid-19 through May 25, 2020. That's 1070 in almost 2 1/2 years or about 40 per month. That's 480 per year vs 435 per year for the flu. Pretty close.

[silverscreenselect]

Is that 120 deaths per year at the US level? If so, that is a BS number. Here are the stats right off the CDC website that shows (in the 10 years of data available 2010-2019) an average of 435 children per year dying of the flu (including 2011 with a reported ZERO which is suspect).

This discrepancy can be explained by the definitions used. From the CDC Underlying Cause of Death figures, which Dr. Faust uses, the site says:

The Underlying Cause of Death database contains mortality and population counts for all U.S. counties. Data are based on death certificates for U.S. residents. Each death certificate identifies a single underlying cause of death and demographic data.

From the Estimated Flu Burden statistics that BiT cites:

What are seasonal flu-related deaths?

Seasonal flu-related deaths are deaths that occur in people for whom flu was likely a contributor to the cause of death, but not necessarily the primary cause of death.

Does CDC know the exact number of people who die from seasonal flu each year?

CDC does not know exactly how many people die from seasonal flu each year. There are several reasons for this. First, states are not required to report individual flu illnesses or deaths among people older than 18 years old to CDC. Second, flu is infrequently listed on death certificates of people who die from flu-related complications. Third, many flu-related deaths occur one or two weeks after a person’s initial infection, either because the person may develop a secondary bacterial co-infection (such as bacterial pneumonia) or because flu can aggravate an existing chronic illness (such as congestive heart failure or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease). Flu deaths in children are slightly different though because these are nationally notifiable, which means that individual flu deaths must be reported to CDC. States report flu-related child deaths in the United States through the Influenza Associated Pediatric Mortality Surveillance System. However, even deaths in children may be under-reported, for many of the same reasons listed above.

Why are estimated pediatric deaths in this report different from the number of pediatric deaths reported through the Influenza-Associated Pediatric Mortality Surveillance System?

Deaths associated with laboratory-confirmed flu in children less than 18 years old became nationally notifiable in 2004 and are reported to CDC through the Influenza-Associated Pediatric Mortality Surveillance System. The number of reported deaths is published each week in FluView. However, the number of reported deaths is likely an underestimate of the total number of flu-related pediatric deaths because not all children may be tested for flu or children may be tested later in their illness when seasonal flu can no longer be detected from respiratory samples.

CDC estimates the numbers of flu-related deaths using mathematical models to account for likely under-reporting. The estimates of deaths associated with flu that we report are from one such model. Previously published reports have found that the estimated numbers of flu-related deaths in children from statistical models may be two to three times higher than the number of reported deaths.

So Dr. Faust's figures are based on the cause of death listed on death certificates, while the CDC's higher number is based on its statistical models figuring in underreporting which are higher for the reasons described. Faust compares death certificates to death certificates. For the same reasons that estimated flu deaths are underreported, COVID deaths are also likely underreported but there's no way to effectively model them yet.

[Spock]

I'm just outraged. I don't care what this is all about. I don't care who's right or wrong. You don't start a thread with the express purpose of personally attacking someone.

I speak as someone who had my share of run-ins with him in the old days.

Can we all cut the crap that has driven a lot of people away from here?

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. I haven't seen you complain about the 50,000 times SSS has called me racist.

[franktangredi]

I'm just outraged. I don't care what this is all about. I don't care who's right or wrong. You don't start a thread with the express purpose of personally attacking someone.

I speak as someone who had my share of run-ins with him in the old days.

Can we all cut the crap that has driven a lot of people away from here?

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. I haven't seen you complain about the 50,000 times SSS has called me racist.

I don't read those threads. It was your subject line that caught my attention.

[wbtravis007]

I'm just outraged. I don't care what this is all about. I don't care who's right or wrong. You don't start a thread with the express purpose of personally attacking someone.

I speak as someone who had my share of run-ins with him in the old days.

Can we all cut the crap that has driven a lot of people away from here?

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. I haven't seen you complain about the 50,000 times SSS has called me racist.

I don't read those threads. It was your subject line that caught my attention.

Rec!

[tlynn78]

I'm just outraged. I don't care what this is all about. I don't care who's right or wrong. You don't start a thread with the express purpose of personally attacking someone.

I speak as someone who had my share of run-ins with him in the old days.

Can we all cut the crap that has driven a lot of people away from here?

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. I haven't seen you complain about the 50,000 times SSS has called me racist.

Selective outrage is selective

[Weyoun]

Someone more capable (or wise) could do a meme of the sweating guy in front if two red buttons:

Does Spock hit the button saying Covid kills quite a bit more than the flu?

Or does he say the extrapolated CDC numbers for flu are accurate, meaning the CDC could potentially extrapolate also higher Covid death numbers?

[franktangredi]

I'm just outraged. I don't care what this is all about. I don't care who's right or wrong. You don't start a thread with the express purpose of personally attacking someone.

I speak as someone who had my share of run-ins with him in the old days.

Can we all cut the crap that has driven a lot of people away from here?

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. I haven't seen you complain about the 50,000 times SSS has called me racist.

Selective outrage is selective

I don't know why I'm bothering, but let me clarify.

What people call each other in heated debates that I don't read is no concern of mine. Some people seem to get pleasure from baiting one another. Don't understand it, don't bother with it.

My objection was to starting a thread the declared, sole purpose of which was to attack the character of another member.

If that's happened before, I simply missed it.

[BackInTex]

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. I haven't seen you complain about the 50,000 times SSS has called me racist.

Selective outrage is selective

I don't know why I'm bothering, but let me clarify.

What people call each other in heated debates that I don't read is no concern of mine. Some people seem to get pleasure from baiting one another. Don't understand it, don't bother with it.

My objection was to starting a thread the declared, sole purpose of which was to attack the character of another member.

If that's happened before, I simply missed it.

I agree with Frank. I'll add to that the insulting and derogatory avitars. The two we all know of we just have to consider the persons involved and realize the futility of hoping for any semblance of civility.