If The Thomas Boy
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:20 am
decides he is not a girl anymore, and goes back to being a guy, does he get to keep his women's swimming records?
One does not "decide" their gender any more than they decide their skin color. There was a question posed to a friend of mine who is gay some time ago. He was asked, "When did you decide to be gay?" His reply to that person was, "I don't know, when did you decide not to be?"
FYI, the use of the pronoun "it" is deeply offensive to trans people. Not that I think you would, but I would call you out for using n***** to describe an African-American so I am calling you out on this.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:28 amWhat if it finally decides it's gender-neutral? Or one of the other categories in 'queer theory'. Does that make it's championships null and void?
Well, sorry.kroxquo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:25 amFYI, the use of the pronoun "it" is deeply offensive to trans people. Not that I think you would, but I would call you out for using n***** to describe an African-American so I am calling you out on this.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:28 amWhat if it finally decides it's gender-neutral? Or one of the other categories in 'queer theory'. Does that make it's championships null and void?
You are incorrect in that the English has always done this. There has been discussion on gender-neutral pronouns for more than 200 years. This has not originated with "queer theory".flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:42 amWell, sorry.kroxquo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:25 amFYI, the use of the pronoun "it" is deeply offensive to trans people. Not that I think you would, but I would call you out for using n***** to describe an African-American so I am calling you out on this.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:28 amWhat if it finally decides it's gender-neutral? Or one of the other categories in 'queer theory'. Does that make it's championships null and void?
I am not subscribing to queer theory, so I don't really know, seriously. And since I don't subscribe to it, I don't care. I'd rather just go on doing what the english language has done since its inception until these people concocted their queer theory. They are free to do anything they want. But so am I.
I call bullshit. If you want to avoid needlessly offending people based on their gender, just use their preferred pronouns. You obviously know how to do that. You just don't want to.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:42 amI am not offended by trans people and I do not want to needlessly offend them . . . .
You, sir, ARE bullshit personified.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 12:50 pmI call bullshit. If you want to avoid needlessly offending people based on their gender, just use their preferred pronouns. You obviously know how to do that. You just don't want to.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:42 amI am not offended by trans people and I do not want to needlessly offend them . . . .
Instead, you want to prioritize your own right to cause offense to make some ham-handed political point over the very real pain you are causing to people who are themselves very real, some of whom are undoubtedly loved ones of people on this very Bored. --Bob
Is it as offensive as having others think they need to speak for them? I would suppose trans people are as individual as anyone else; some may take offense while others couldn't care less. I would also suppose that for the most part, they are as capable of speaking up for themselves as any other person.kroxquo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:25 amFYI, the use of the pronoun "it" is deeply offensive to trans people. Not that I think you would, but I would call you out for using n***** to describe an African-American so I am calling you out on this.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:28 amWhat if it finally decides it's gender-neutral? Or one of the other categories in 'queer theory'. Does that make it's championships null and void?
The more that other people speak up for trans people (or any other marginalized group), the more difficult it is for people like Flock to claim it's just a handful of malcontents with an agenda.
And of course, like the poor minorities, they just aren't capable, right?silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:07 pmThe more that other people speak up for trans people (or any other marginalized group), the more difficult it is for people like Flock to claim it's just a handful of malcontents with an agenda.
That's a good name for you folks. A handful of malcontents with an agenda. I wish I had thought of that!tlynn78 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:52 pmAnd of course, like the poor minorities, they just aren't capable, right?silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:07 pmThe more that other people speak up for trans people (or any other marginalized group), the more difficult it is for people like Flock to claim it's just a handful of malcontents with an agenda.
So you believe we should just stand silent when we see conduct that is wrong, leaving those who are wronged to wonder whether they have any allies or whether, as they have for so long, they have to fight this battle themselves?tlynn78 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:52 pmAnd of course, like the poor minorities, they just aren't capable, right?silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:07 pmThe more that other people speak up for trans people (or any other marginalized group), the more difficult it is for people like Flock to claim it's just a handful of malcontents with an agenda.
OHHHHHH You are soooo virtuous. I can never hope to be as much of a frolicking crusader as you are.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:58 pmSo you believe we should just stand silent when we see conduct that is wrong, leaving those who are wronged to wonder whether they have any allies or whether, as they have for so long, they have to fight this battle themselves?tlynn78 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:52 pmAnd of course, like the poor minorities, they just aren't capable, right?silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:07 pmThe more that other people speak up for trans people (or any other marginalized group), the more difficult it is for people like Flock to claim it's just a handful of malcontents with an agenda.
Not gonna happen. I'll call out bigotry wherever I see it. And if the bigots are offended, I really don't care. --Bob
Ooh. Repub bigotry. All righty. You many times have "crushed" them as a group. Snort.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:58 pmSo you believe we should just stand silent when we see conduct that is wrong, leaving those who are wronged to wonder whether they have any allies or whether, as they have for so long, they have to fight this battle themselves?tlynn78 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:52 pmAnd of course, like the poor minorities, they just aren't capable, right?silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:07 pmThe more that other people speak up for trans people (or any other marginalized group), the more difficult it is for people like Flock to claim it's just a handful of malcontents with an agenda.
Not gonna happen. I'll call out bigotry wherever I see it. And if the bigots are offended, I really don't care. --Bob
Would you expect the Bored to remain silent if someone used the n-word? Would you leave those targeted by the term to fend for themselves? Or would you expect all of us to call out the use of the word as unacceptable?Beebs52 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:12 pmOoh. Repub bigotry. All righty. You many times have "crushed" them as a group. Snort.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:58 pmSo you believe we should just stand silent when we see conduct that is wrong, leaving those who are wronged to wonder whether they have any allies or whether, as they have for so long, they have to fight this battle themselves?
Not gonna happen. I'll call out bigotry wherever I see it. And if the bigots are offended, I really don't care. --Bob
You may be right, but some folks, and I think you may be in the group, speak up just because of faux lib guilt, past transgressions, "old white man savior complex", etc, eh?silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:07 pmThe more that other people speak up for trans people (or any other marginalized group), the more difficult it is for people like Flock to claim it's just a handful of malcontents with an agenda.
Or, you know, no one else pays them any attention.Beebs52 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:15 pmYou may be right, but some folks, and I think you may be in the group, speak up just because of faux lib guilt, past transgressions, "old white man savior complex", etc, eh?silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:07 pmThe more that other people speak up for trans people (or any other marginalized group), the more difficult it is for people like Flock to claim it's just a handful of malcontents with an agenda.
Hate to disabuse you of false perceptions, but not all repubs do that. You deliberately didn't respond to my comment.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:15 pmWould you expect the Bored to remain silent if someone used the n-word? Would you leave those targeted by the term to fend for themselves? Or would you expect all of us to call out the use of the word as unacceptable?Beebs52 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:12 pmOoh. Repub bigotry. All righty. You many times have "crushed" them as a group. Snort.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:58 pmSo you believe we should just stand silent when we see conduct that is wrong, leaving those who are wronged to wonder whether they have any allies or whether, as they have for so long, they have to fight this battle themselves?
Not gonna happen. I'll call out bigotry wherever I see it. And if the bigots are offended, I really don't care. --Bob
Deliberately misgendering a trans person is likewise extremely offensive, and deserves the same response. --Bob
I didn't claim all Republicans do that. I called out flock and (in the past) BiT, who do.Beebs52 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:19 pmHate to disabuse you of false perceptions, but not all repubs do that. You deliberately didn't respond to my comment.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:15 pmWould you expect the Bored to remain silent if someone used the n-word? Would you leave those targeted by the term to fend for themselves? Or would you expect all of us to call out the use of the word as unacceptable?
Deliberately misgendering a trans person is likewise extremely offensive, and deserves the same response. --Bob
So by this same reasoning, flock shouldn't weigh in on Don't Say Gay because he has no kids in Florida K-3 classes and the parents of such kids are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves? --Bobtlynn78 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:05 pmIs it as offensive as having others think they need to speak for them? I would suppose trans people are as individual as anyone else; some may take offense while others couldn't care less. I would also suppose that for the most part, they are as capable of speaking up for themselves as any other person.kroxquo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:25 amFYI, the use of the pronoun "it" is deeply offensive to trans people. Not that I think you would, but I would call you out for using n***** to describe an African-American so I am calling you out on this.flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 9:28 amWhat if it finally decides it's gender-neutral? Or one of the other categories in 'queer theory'. Does that make it's championships null and void?
Not speaking for Flock, obviously, but "Don't Say Gay" wasn't part of the legislation. Just sayin.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:27 pmSo by this same reasoning, flock shouldn't weigh in on Don't Say Gay because he has no kids in Florida K-3 classes and the parents of such kids are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves? --Bobtlynn78 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 1:05 pmIs it as offensive as having others think they need to speak for them? I would suppose trans people are as individual as anyone else; some may take offense while others couldn't care less. I would also suppose that for the most part, they are as capable of speaking up for themselves as any other person.
You know what, bob. If I met a transgender person on the street and I spoke to that person, I would use whatever pronouns seemed appropriate as to what the appearance they are projecting was. If they wanted to correct me, I would honor their wishes. I will and have always judged people by the content of their character, not what they look like.Beebs52 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:19 pmHate to disabuse you of false perceptions, but not all repubs do that. You deliberately didn't respond to my comment.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:15 pmWould you expect the Bored to remain silent if someone used the n-word? Would you leave those targeted by the term to fend for themselves? Or would you expect all of us to call out the use of the word as unacceptable?
Deliberately misgendering a trans person is likewise extremely offensive, and deserves the same response. --Bob
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:22 pmI didn't claim all Republicans do that. I called out flock and (in the past) BiT, who do. You have expressed your desire to obliterate the party many times. Do I need to search the whole history here? And, I don't recall them, Flock or BiT,supporting your assertion.Beebs52 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:19 pmHate to disabuse you of false perceptions, but not all repubs do that. You deliberately didn't respond to my comment.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:15 pmWould you expect the Bored to remain silent if someone used the n-word? Would you leave those targeted by the term to fend for themselves? Or would you expect all of us to call out the use of the word as unacceptable?
Deliberately misgendering a trans person is likewise extremely offensive, and deserves the same response. --Bob