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Question for Weyoun

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 9:20 am
by silverscreenselect
An article in today's Atlanta Journal:
The coronavirus that nearly killed Stephanie Schroeder in 2020 is still keeping her from working. She suffered cardiac arrest twice and was in the hospital for three months, then came home to more than a year of kidney problems and intermittent brain fog, tingling in her hands, numbness in her right foot and a need for oxygen after even modest exertion. Schroeder used to supervise nursing students. Lately the McDonough resident has been volunteering to run concessions at some high school track meets, trying to edge back toward the workplace.

She is among many people with lingering COVID-19 aftereffects who cannot work or can only work part-time. The condition has been given a name: post-acute sequelae SARS-CoV-2 infection, or PASC. But it is commonly called long COVID. It may be the missing piece in a pandemic puzzle: Why has the number of people in the labor force lagged? Why are there still so many unfilled job openings?

While more than 900,000 Americans have died from the coronavirus, the vast majority of people who contract it do survive. But many — between 10% and 30% of those who live, experts say — continue to struggle with symptoms. That is a lot of people: up to 23 million nationwide and nearly 800,000 people in Georgia, according to estimates by the American Academy of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation. Some don’t work. Some are still in the labor force, but at reduced hours.

Long COVID does not appear explicitly in the labor data. But there are clues. The labor force in Georgia is still 28,341 below its pre-pandemic level, and the real gap is larger. At the pace of pre-pandemic growth, the labor force would be about 184,000 larger than it is today.
The number of people with jobs but out sick averaged 50% higher last year nationally than in 2019.
The number of people nationally who usually work full-time but who are working part-time because of illness rose through last year. Since last summer, it has averaged 16% higher than pre-pandemic times.
The number of people who were out of the labor force with a disability is up 5.5%, or nearly 1.3 million, from the summer of 2020.
The Census Bureau’s most recent survey showed more than a quarter-million people in Georgia either sick or caring for someone with coronavirus symptoms.

Kathryn Bach, a research fellow at the Brookings Institution, who has studied the issue, calculated that long COVID accounts for about 1.6 million people missing from the U.S. labor force. That’s equivalent to at least 15% of the nation’s job openings. By her calculation, about 45,000 people in Georgia are missing from the labor force because of long COVID. https://www.brookings.edu/research/is-l ... -shortage/

Symptoms of long COVID include debilitating fatigue, shortness of breath, pain and a “brain fog” that makes it hard to focus. With most federal pandemic programs expired, a COVID “long-hauler” who cannot work can apply for disability. That challenging process is even tougher for a new disease, many of whose worst symptoms — like brain fog — are invisible.

Experts say early retirement is the biggest single reason for people leaving the labor force, and long COVID is part of that, Gaskin said. She estimates long COVID accounts for about a quarter of early retirements.
There's more in the article: https://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-news/m ... XTCA5AW64/ and I included a link to the Brookings study, which has gotten quite a bit of press coverage in the last month.

One of the problems I've had with the approach of people like Spock to the COVID crisis is the assumption that there are only two types of COVID cases: deaths and those that get "over it." Leaving aside the lengthy hospitalization costs of those who "get over it," long COVID seems to be a massive health care and insurance (including Social Security disability) problem down the line. A lot of people who don't go back to the workforce aren't entrepreneurs doing their own thing but people who can't go back, especially to physically demanding jobs like the hospitality industry. And we're seeing the effects at most two years into the pandemic. Smoking or asbestos related diseases don't manifest themselves until decades after initial exposure in some cases. I fear we could see COVID complications, even in those who brag about their natural immunity, for years down the line.

I wanted to get your thoughts on this matter. Thanks.

Re: Question for Weyoun

Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 11:48 pm
by Weyoun
I see evidence here and there of that.

Keep in mind I see people who are acutely ill, not chronically ill. If I see somebody with a comorbidity, it’s often because something else, like chest pain or cough, bring them in.

But yes, it’s a thing. when you’re in the hospital for 10 days, you’re not quite right.

And I can give a personal anecdote. I was visiting my parents. A friend of theirs is a retired doctor (he was a Covid minimizer who did primary care in South Dakota before retiring.)

He got Covid and wound up in the hospital for a week. of course, he wasn’t vaccinated.

Anyway, this was a couple months later. He offered to take us all out on his boat in the estuary.

You could tell something wasn’t right. Things just weren’t coming to them. Mentation was slow.

He promptly crashed his boat into a another boat, destroyed the outboard motor on that boat. Thankfully I was sitting toward the back. The other boat took the brunt of the damage - about a 25k Yamaha outboard destroyed.

I was more peeved at my father than anything, since I think he knew the guy wasn’t 100%. I was probably unfair of me. But my dad said, yeah, the guy had not been quite right ever since Covid. Even today his memory is not quite there.

Just an example.

Re: Question for Weyoun

Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 6:39 am
by kroxquo
And as another piece of anecdotal evidence, I have mentioned my daughter Janneke in the past. She is almost two years removed from her bout with covid and she still sometimes gets winded going up stairs. This is a young woman who is 31, with no co-morbidities, and was in excellent physical condition. She had summited Kilamanjaro less than a year before covid. At this point, it looks like she may never fully recover.