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#1 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:22 pm

OK. I learned some lessons from the first 2.

I will not inject myself and try and keep the discussion on topic. You guys are episodic and seem to have a limited attention span. Continuity and focus doesn't seem to be a strong point for some of you. So I will limit any personal or introductory comments I have to this initial post, then I will shut up. Any trolling can be directed at the people in the videos. (But I'm confident it won't be). And I may be sarcastic, as that is my New Jersey birthright, but I will try not be over the top snarky.

Some of you have objections to even exposing yourselves to other people's perspectives, like you will get dirty or something. Or because the website is lying about being an accredited learning institution and you don't want them to make the 1/1000000 of a penny they might get from you clicking on the link. Or just because you know everything there is to know about the subject already and don't want to waste your time. That's fine. There is no reading, writing or quizzes required. You are free not to see what other people think and believe if that comforts you. Willful ignorance is accepted, but it will show through eventually.

One of our expert-on everything's main contention is that either conservatives or republicans (maybe both) are congenitally racists. Trying to keep the conversation on topic, I pointed out that a discussion on that point was a whole nuther topic. Well, here it is. I have been called a racist here on this bored, specifically and implied, many times. My avatar was brought up as proof. That avatar came from one of our bored's part time trollers as a pointy stick at me. I decided to adopt it as my avatar as a badge of honor, since I think it was totally ridiculous and hoped it would remind him of his stupidity, rudeness and childishness every time he saw it. No one apparently objects to the equally stupid juvenile and inflammatory avatar he has adopted, but there you go.

Anyway, here are some perspectives on the current state of 'racism' in our country. My personal view is that we have made incredible strides in our country from where we were when I was born and grew up. I came of age in the era of Civil Rights and Martin Luther King Jr. It was one of the main social and cultural causes of people in my generation. I believe that when one time 'hippies' started aging, and many of them replaced the 'establishment' that they once assailed, they started feeling empty and yearned for the days when they felt they were part of a movement that changed America. So, ignoring the obvious progress that has been made since their youth, they brought back this issue and made it their cause again. And since many of them became attached to the colleges they once occupied, they decided to teach this to their students, so they too, would have a cause to rally behind. Many of them drifted into politics, and also needed a moral cause to get people outraged. So racism, which still exists, but is a small fraction of what it was in the 1960's when I grew up, was revived as a major issue, even though we have elected a minority President, not once, but twice. Just my opinion.

Here are examples of what other people believe.
1. One of our Experts in Everything told me that minorities should be wary of the history of the republicans. I told him he needed to research the history of his own party. Here it is in a nutshell. Dispute it. (you can't). Then apply it to how they use history on other subjects when it suits them.
https://www.prageru.com/video/the-incon ... atic-party

2. Requiring Voters to have an ID is racist? Here's one person who believes the opposite.
https://www.prageru.com/video/who-are-the-racists

3. Here's one very accomplished woman's view on 'Systematic Racism'.
https://www.prageru.com/video/what-i-ca ... out-racism

4. Does racism still exist in our country? Anybody with any sense would say yes. But how much of a problem is it, really? (You might want to be careful with this one. The messenger has been called 'The black face of white supremacy' (among other things) by the major media. Probably because he ran for Governor of California and he had a chance of winning. So they had to smear him any way they could.)
https://www.prageru.com/video/is-america-racist

5. In the previous Sports thread, I mentioned the outright advertising and promotion of the BLM organization as one of the reasons I will not 'click' on any of the major sporting leagues any more. This guy has the same concerns and questions I do.
https://www.prageru.com/video/a-fathers ... ves-matter

6. I also stated that 'wokeness' has been taken too far and now is more harmful than beneficial. This guy expresses why he thinks so too.
https://www.prageru.com/video/how-to-en ... -privilege

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#2 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:41 pm

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#3 Post by jarnon » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:44 pm

I watched the video on systemic racism, a topic I have interest in. Dr. Swain frames the issue as black and white (sorry for the play on words): either America is a land of equal opportunity, or Blacks are destined to fail in life because of the obstacles put in their way by a racist society. IMHO the truth is somewhere in between: most Blacks have a more difficult road to success due to the heritage of centuries of racism and the residue of racism in the modern world. Yet many of them are able to overcome those obstacles. Martin Luther King and the other civil rights leaders didn't declare "mission accomplished" when the civil rights and voting rights laws were passed. Their struggle continued, and continues today, to make America a land of true equality.
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Re: Perspectives #3

#4 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:00 pm

jarnon wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:44 pm
I watched the video on systemic racism, a topic I have interest in. Dr. Swain frames the issue as black and white (sorry for the play on words): either America is a land of equal opportunity, or Blacks are destined to fail in life because of the obstacles put in their way by a racist society. IMHO the truth is somewhere in between: most Blacks have a more difficult road to success due to the heritage of centuries of racism and the residue of racism in the modern world. Yet many of them are able to overcome those obstacles. Martin Luther King and the other civil rights leaders didn't declare "mission accomplished" when the civil rights and voting rights laws were passed. Their struggle continued, and continues today, to make America a land of true equality.
https://www.prageru.com/video/playing-the-black-card

https://www.prageru.com/video/where-are ... uther-king
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#5 Post by kroxquo » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:37 pm

I will agree with you that we have made strides toward ending racism in this country. African-Americans are not openly lynched anymore;pernicious, racist voting policies such as poll taxes and literacy tests have been outlawed. And I think that you would agree with me that racism still exists in our country. Where we differ, I think, is how far we have progressed since the days of MLK. When you look at statistics such as incarceration, literacy, infant mortality or affordable housing comparing white and black, the advantage of being white becomes clear.

I'll offer a deal for you. I will watch and comment on your Prager videos if you watch and comment on these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHIQIO_bdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2roWLzrqOjQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o-yD0wGxAc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JZYxOYqm38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJK9cL0BE4Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCTzpveLfLw
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#6 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:51 pm

kroxquo wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:37 pm
I will agree with you that we have made strides toward ending racism in this country. African-Americans are not openly lynched anymore;pernicious, racist voting policies such as poll taxes and literacy tests have been outlawed. And I think that you would agree with me that racism still exists in our country. Where we differ, I think, is how far we have progressed since the days of MLK. When you look at statistics such as incarceration, literacy, infant mortality or affordable housing comparing white and black, the advantage of being white becomes clear.

I'll offer a deal for you. I will watch and comment on your Prager videos if you watch and comment on these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHIQIO_bdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2roWLzrqOjQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o-yD0wGxAc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JZYxOYqm38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJK9cL0BE4Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCTzpveLfLw

That's the biggest problem I have expressed about Flock's new crusade on this Bored. I didn't spend over a half hour going through all the videos he listed in his first post in this thread and now he's added a couple more. What I've found is that the Prager videos that I have seen add nothing new to this debate. They are making the same points that every right winger has been making for years except in a somewhat less confrontational manner. Now these threads are devolving into a contest of who can search for online videos the best.

My point isn't with krox; I'm glad someone finally called Flock out on this. Flock, if you want to have a discussion, fine. But I've got better things to do than spend an hour of my time going through videos of the same stuff that I've seen and read many times before, when you probably spent about a minute searching for those videos in the first place.
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#7 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:55 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:51 pm
kroxquo wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:37 pm
I will agree with you that we have made strides toward ending racism in this country. African-Americans are not openly lynched anymore;pernicious, racist voting policies such as poll taxes and literacy tests have been outlawed. And I think that you would agree with me that racism still exists in our country. Where we differ, I think, is how far we have progressed since the days of MLK. When you look at statistics such as incarceration, literacy, infant mortality or affordable housing comparing white and black, the advantage of being white becomes clear.

I'll offer a deal for you. I will watch and comment on your Prager videos if you watch and comment on these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHIQIO_bdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2roWLzrqOjQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o-yD0wGxAc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JZYxOYqm38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJK9cL0BE4Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCTzpveLfLw
That's the biggest problem I have expressed about Flock's new crusade on this Bored. I didn't spend over a half hour going through all the videos he listed in his first post in this thread and now he's added a couple more. What I've found is that the Prager videos that I have seen add nothing new to this debate. They are making the same points that every right winger has been making for years except in a somewhat less confrontational manner. Now these threads are devolving into a contest of who can search for online videos the best.

My point isn't with krox; I'm glad someone finally called Flock out on this. Flock, if you want to have a discussion, fine. But I've got better things to do than spend an hour of my time going through videos of the same stuff that I've seen and read many times before, when you probably spent about a minute searching for those videos in the first place.
That's why I won't take the time to watch the videos. If flock (who presumably has already watched them) can't be bothered to draft a summary of what I can expect to see in each, I can't be bothered to spend my time watching them. --Bob
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Re: Perspectives #3

#8 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:54 pm

kroxquo wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:37 pm
I will agree with you that we have made strides toward ending racism in this country. African-Americans are not openly lynched anymore;pernicious, racist voting policies such as poll taxes and literacy tests have been outlawed. And I think that you would agree with me that racism still exists in our country. Where we differ, I think, is how far we have progressed since the days of MLK. When you look at statistics such as incarceration, literacy, infant mortality or affordable housing comparing white and black, the advantage of being white becomes clear.

I'll offer a deal for you. I will watch and comment on your Prager videos if you watch and comment on these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHIQIO_bdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2roWLzrqOjQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o-yD0wGxAc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JZYxOYqm38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJK9cL0BE4Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCTzpveLfLw
I will watch them, but I will not comment. If I do I will get trolled. Probably will anyway. Watch the videos I posted or don't. I don't care. Go ahead and do what the know-it-all-about-everything's tell you. They will tell you to stick with the same old points the left have been implementing over the years which haven't worked and made things worse for the people they claim to be helping. Your choice. Oh, and I believe I did summarize what each was about, but you actually have to read the post after the first three words. But that's a good try. Almost as good as the 'university' excuse.
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#9 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:02 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:54 pm
Oh, and I believe I did summarize what each was about, but you actually have to read the post after the first three words.
Flock wrote:
jarnon wrote:I watched the video on systemic racism, a topic I have interest in. Dr. Swain frames the issue as black and white (sorry for the play on words): either America is a land of equal opportunity, or Blacks are destined to fail in life because of the obstacles put in their way by a racist society. IMHO the truth is somewhere in between: most Blacks have a more difficult road to success due to the heritage of centuries of racism and the residue of racism in the modern world. Yet many of them are able to overcome those obstacles. Martin Luther King and the other civil rights leaders didn't declare "mission accomplished" when the civil rights and voting rights laws were passed. Their struggle continued, and continues today, to make America a land of true equality.
https://www.prageru.com/video/playing-the-black-card

https://www.prageru.com/video/where-are ... uther-king
I must have missed those first three words of yours here.
Missed them here too.
Flock wrote:https://www.prageru.com/video/are-men-a ... -different
And again
Flock wrote:https://www.prageru.com/video/gender-id ... -confusion
I sure am glad I had all those summaries of yours Flock. Otherwise I wouldn't have had any idea what those videos were about.
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#10 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:45 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:02 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:54 pm
Oh, and I believe I did summarize what each was about, but you actually have to read the post after the first three words.
Flock wrote:
jarnon wrote:I watched the video on systemic racism, a topic I have interest in. Dr. Swain frames the issue as black and white (sorry for the play on words): either America is a land of equal opportunity, or Blacks are destined to fail in life because of the obstacles put in their way by a racist society. IMHO the truth is somewhere in between: most Blacks have a more difficult road to success due to the heritage of centuries of racism and the residue of racism in the modern world. Yet many of them are able to overcome those obstacles. Martin Luther King and the other civil rights leaders didn't declare "mission accomplished" when the civil rights and voting rights laws were passed. Their struggle continued, and continues today, to make America a land of true equality.
https://www.prageru.com/video/playing-the-black-card

https://www.prageru.com/video/where-are ... uther-king
I must have missed those first three words of yours here.
Missed them here too.
Flock wrote:https://www.prageru.com/video/are-men-a ... -different
And again
Flock wrote:https://www.prageru.com/video/gender-id ... -confusion
I sure am glad I had all those summaries of yours Flock. Otherwise I wouldn't have had any idea what those videos were about.
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The first two on your list were specifically addressed to kroxquo's post. Try and keep it straight. I quoted the post that I was referring to. I didn't do any comments because I said I wouldn't. I am still not commenting or trying to lead the discussion. I am just letting the responses and excuses speak for themselves.

The first one is about playing the 'Black Card' to use 'systematic racism' as a tool by someone who knows a lot more about it than you.
The second one is about the unfinished mission of MLK.
Or you could spend 5 minutes of your valuable time to look at it yourself instead of spending it posting kneejerk criticism.
The others were on the previous thread and they addressed the subject being discussed at the time.

Does that answer your nit-picking troll or do you wish to play more distraction games?
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#11 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:58 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:54 pm
kroxquo wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:37 pm
I will agree with you that we have made strides toward ending racism in this country. African-Americans are not openly lynched anymore;pernicious, racist voting policies such as poll taxes and literacy tests have been outlawed. And I think that you would agree with me that racism still exists in our country. Where we differ, I think, is how far we have progressed since the days of MLK. When you look at statistics such as incarceration, literacy, infant mortality or affordable housing comparing white and black, the advantage of being white becomes clear.

I'll offer a deal for you. I will watch and comment on your Prager videos if you watch and comment on these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrHIQIO_bdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2roWLzrqOjQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o-yD0wGxAc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JZYxOYqm38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJK9cL0BE4Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCTzpveLfLw
I will watch them, but I will not comment. If I do I will get trolled. Probably will anyway. Watch the videos I posted or don't. I don't care. Go ahead and do what the know-it-all-about-everything's tell you. They will tell you to stick with the same old points the left have been implementing over the years which haven't worked and made things worse for the people they claim to be helping. Your choice. Oh, and I believe I did summarize what each was about, but you actually have to read the post after the first three words. But that's a good try. Almost as good as the 'university' excuse.
I spent some of my valuable time watching all of your videos because you asked me to and because I know I don't know everything. I just know what I know. I can only learn more if I let myself do so.But I have promised I will not inject myself into this, so I won't. I see some truth in all of them, but I also see some fallacies. After you watch the ones I posted, maybe we can have a conversation about it in another thread, if you are really so inclined and if it's possible, without the designated distractors chiming in.
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Re: Perspectives #3

#12 Post by SportsFan68 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:16 am

Flock's comments are in italics.

Anyway, here are some perspectives on the current state of 'racism' in our country.

I rarely click on links, and this won't be an exception. I'll just reply to the statements in the opening paragraph.

My personal view is that we have made incredible strides in our country from where we were when I was born and grew up. I came of age in the era of Civil Rights and Martin Luther King Jr. It was one of the main social and cultural causes of people in my generation.

I agree with that.

I believe that when one time 'hippies' started aging, and many of them replaced the 'establishment' that they once assailed, they started feeling empty and yearned for the days when they felt they were part of a movement that changed America. So, ignoring the obvious progress that has been made since their youth, they brought back this issue and made it their cause again.

I believe that this assertion is guilty of one of the things that Flock takes Bob### to task for: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ANYONE'S INTENT IS. ONLY GOD AND THAT PERSON KNOWS. YOU CAN ONLY GUESS. AND YOU CAN ALWAYS BE WRONG!

And since many of them became attached to the colleges they once occupied, they decided to teach this to their students, so they too, would have a cause to rally behind. Many of them drifted into politics, and also needed a moral cause to get people outraged. So racism, which still exists, but is a small fraction of what it was in the 1960's when I grew up, was revived as a major issue, even though we have elected a minority President, not once, but twice. Just my opinion.

Incredible strides, yes. The idea of a Kamala Harris, Sonia Sotomayor, Barack Obama, or MLK Holiday would have been inconceivable in the 1960s. However, a number of recent racist acts do not constitute a small fraction of the racism of the 60s. They constitute a major issue: George Zimmerman was acquitted following his shooting of Trayvon Martin, Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd while taking him into custody on suspicion of counterfeiting, police killed Breonna Taylor in her apartment on suspicion of nothing, Gregory McMichael, Travis McMichael, and William “Roddie” Bryan Jr. killed Ahmaud Arbery while he was jogging near his home, and Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted of homicide and other charges after killing two BLM protestors and injuring a third. There are more; I'll cite those as the most egregious examples of a continuing major issue.
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Re: Perspectives #3

#13 Post by kroxquo » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:52 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:45 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:02 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:54 pm
Oh, and I believe I did summarize what each was about, but you actually have to read the post after the first three words.
I must have missed those first three words of yours here.
Missed them here too.
Flock wrote:https://www.prageru.com/video/are-men-a ... -different
And again
Flock wrote:https://www.prageru.com/video/gender-id ... -confusion
I sure am glad I had all those summaries of yours Flock. Otherwise I wouldn't have had any idea what those videos were about.
Only by demand:
The first two on your list were specifically addressed to kroxquo's post. Try and keep it straight. I quoted the post that I was referring to. I didn't do any comments because I said I wouldn't. I am still not commenting or trying to lead the discussion. I am just letting the responses and excuses speak for themselves.
Just to clarify - they appear to be in response to Jarnon's post, not mine. It is OK, everyone makes mistakes
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Re: Perspectives #3

#14 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:57 am

CORRECTION
I think I was wrong about something I said.
I don't think PragerU will get ANY money if you access it. There are no ads that I can see anywhere on the site and they say they are entirely supported, as a 501c organization, from donations.
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Re: Perspectives #3

#15 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:58 am

kroxquo wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:52 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:45 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:02 pm




I must have missed those first three words of yours here.



Missed them here too.



And again



I sure am glad I had all those summaries of yours Flock. Otherwise I wouldn't have had any idea what those videos were about.
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The first two on your list were specifically addressed to kroxquo's post. Try and keep it straight. I quoted the post that I was referring to. I didn't do any comments because I said I wouldn't. I am still not commenting or trying to lead the discussion. I am just letting the responses and excuses speak for themselves.
Just to clarify - they appear to be in response to Jarnon's post, not mine. It is OK, everyone makes mistakes
You are correct. Sorry for the mistake.
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Re: Perspectives #3

#16 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:01 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:57 am
I don't think PragerU will get ANY money if you access it. There are no ads that I can see anywhere on the site and they say they are entirely supported, as a 501c organization, from donations.
There are no ads on the site, but they sell a whole bunch of merchandise, including Prager U sweatshirts that look a lot like generic college sweatshirts. They even have their own mascot, Otto the Bulldog, and they sell Otto T-shirts as well.

They may not get money directly, but the number of views they get has an indirect effect on the amount of donations they receive from their big contributors. And Dennis Prager has done very, very well through his website. And by the way, the multiple links I cited in my post earlier in this thread represent multiple posts you made that comprised nothing but links to Prager U videos. That was in response to your comment about how you summarize what's in your links. I could have added several others in which there was no real summary but I limited myself to just the times when there was no response from you other than a link or two.

I think the reason that Prager U has been so successful is that they phrase their arguments in simple language with lots of illustrations so MAGA-ites can understand them a lot easier than the more academic articles in conservative publications like National Review and The Weekly Standard. Some of them may even think that by watching all these videos and documentaries that they are getting the equivalent of a college education.

Right-Wing PragerU Triples Revenue in Two Years
Known as a right-wing radio host on 500 stations, Dennis Prager also founded and is president of the Prager University Foundation, which churns out dozens of videos a year on right-wing topics. According to new filings reviewed by the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD), Prager University saw its revenue more than triple in the aftermath of Trump's election as president, increasing from $5.42 million in 2016 to $18.6 million in 2018.

The group's stated mission is to promote "the Judeo-Christian values on which America is founded: free speech, free enterprise, a moral foreign policy, and the rational case for God's existence," and counter what it sees as "the Leftist indoctrination imposed by schools and universities."

While Prager claims to not be a Trump promoter, PragerU's videos track many of his positions and his denunciation of mainstream media, and PragerU was invited to Trump's Social Media Summit last July.

Prager claims one billion video views per year from the unaccredited PragerU, as it is popularly known, and he describes the organization as hosting "the most viewed conservative site in the world."

The videos are produced with funding from an array of right-wing big donors, including more than a million dollars from the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation; DonorsTrust, the ATM of the Koch political network; Koch ally Lee Roy Mitchell; funders affiliated with Sheldon Adelson; and Dan and Farris Wilks, a pair of fundamentalist billionaires who made their money in hydraulic fracking; as well as 130,000 smaller donors.

Although organized legally as a charity, the Los Angeles Times found that "PragerU consistently spends more on Facebook advertising than major political campaigns and national advocacy groups. It ranks among the 10 biggest political spenders on the platform." Indeed, its 2018 tax filing shows that the group spent $1.2 million on Facebook, and another $612,000 on Google.

The videos cover wide-ranging social and political topics from what distinguishes the "Left" (bad) to Liberals (capable of good), the need to rein in public employee unions, how voter suppression is a myth, all of the way to multiple videos on how men can regain their masculinity. Some of PragerU's more controversial videos, such as "Playing the Black Card," "The Suicide of Europe," and "Are Some Cultures Better than Others," have been criticized by the Southern Poverty Law Center as "dog whistles to the extreme right."

CMD's analysis of PragerU's 2018 tax filing reveals that the tax-exempt organization paid Dennis Prager and his son David close to $1 million between 2015 and 2018. In 2018, Dennis Prager is listed as the group's president for the first time, triggering an IRS requirement to disclose that Dennis had a personal interest in large payments to two consulting firms, one owned by him and one owned by his son. PragerU paid $237,500 that year for the consulting services of Dennis to Kansas & Brooklyn, which he owns, and $155,700 for the consulting services of David to his Palm Tree Consulting firm. PragerU made payments to Kansas & Brooklyn for the previous three years as well, without disclosing that the firm was owned by Dennis Prager. Dennis's firm received $250,000 from PragerU in 2017, $200,000 in 2016, and $150,000 in 2015.
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Re: Perspectives #3

#17 Post by tlynn78 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:56 am


I believe that when one time 'hippies' started aging, and many of them replaced the 'establishment' that they once assailed, they started feeling empty and yearned for the days when they felt they were part of a movement that changed America. So, ignoring the obvious progress that has been made since their youth, they brought back this issue and made it their cause again.

I believe that this assertion is guilty of one of the things that Flock takes Bob### to task for: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ANYONE'S INTENT IS. ONLY GOD AND THAT PERSON KNOWS. YOU CAN ONLY GUESS. AND YOU CAN ALWAYS BE WRONG!



The difference between Bob and Flock is that Flock begins his statement with "I believe..." while Bob states his beliefs as unquestionable facts.
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#18 Post by BackInTex » Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:55 am

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I believe that when one time 'hippies' started aging, and many of them replaced the 'establishment' that they once assailed, they started feeling empty and yearned for the days when they felt they were part of a movement that changed America. So, ignoring the obvious progress that has been made since their youth, they brought back this issue and made it their cause again.

I believe that this assertion is guilty of one of the things that Flock takes Bob### to task for: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT ANYONE'S INTENT IS. ONLY GOD AND THAT PERSON KNOWS. YOU CAN ONLY GUESS. AND YOU CAN ALWAYS BE WRONG!



The difference between Bob and Flock is that Flock begins his statement with "I believe..." while Bob states his beliefs as unquestionable facts.
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#19 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:47 pm

tlynn78 wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:56 am
The difference between Bob and Flock is that Flock begins his statement with "I believe..." while Bob states his beliefs as unquestionable facts.
Flock: I believe that the moon is made of green cheese.
Bob: The moon is made of volcanic rock.

Yep, that's the only difference between them.
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Re: Perspectives #3

#20 Post by tlynn78 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:09 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:47 pm
tlynn78 wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:56 am
The difference between Bob and Flock is that Flock begins his statement with "I believe..." while Bob states his beliefs as unquestionable facts.
Flock: I believe that the moon is made of green cheese.
Bob: The moon is made of volcanic rock.

Yep, that's the only difference between them.
LOL! Or, you could try actual quotes:

Bobbo: "Remember, until 1981, every single Justice who ever served was a white man." ( I mean - you just can't make this s*#t up! LMAO)
Flock: "I think I was wrong about something I said. I don't think PragerU will get ANY money if you access it."
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#21 Post by wbtravis007 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:02 pm

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OK. I learned some lessons from the first 2.

I will not inject myself and try and keep the discussion on topic. You guys are episodic and seem to have a limited attention span. Continuity and focus doesn't seem to be a strong point for some of you. So I will limit any personal or introductory comments I have to this initial post, then I will shut up. Any trolling can be directed at the people in the videos. (But I'm confident it won't be). And I may be sarcastic, as that is my New Jersey birthright, but I will try not be over the top snarky.

Some of you have objections to even exposing yourselves to other people's perspectives, like you will get dirty or something. Or because the website is lying about being an accredited learning institution and you don't want them to make the 1/1000000 of a penny they might get from you clicking on the link. Or just because you know everything there is to know about the subject already and don't want to waste your time. That's fine. There is no reading, writing or quizzes required. You are free not to see what other people think and believe if that comforts you. Willful ignorance is accepted, but it will show through eventually.

One of our expert-on everything's main contention is that either conservatives or republicans (maybe both) are congenitally racists. Trying to keep the conversation on topic, I pointed out that a discussion on that point was a whole nuther topic. Well, here it is. I have been called a racist here on this bored, specifically and implied, many times. My avatar was brought up as proof. That avatar came from one of our bored's part time trollers as a pointy stick at me. I decided to adopt it as my avatar as a badge of honor, since I think it was totally ridiculous and hoped it would remind him of his stupidity, rudeness and childishness every time he saw it. No one apparently objects to the equally stupid juvenile and inflammatory avatar he has adopted, but there you go.

Anyway, here are some perspectives on the current state of 'racism' in our country. My personal view is that we have made incredible strides in our country from where we were when I was born and grew up. I came of age in the era of Civil Rights and Martin Luther King Jr. It was one of the main social and cultural causes of people in my generation. I believe that when one time 'hippies' started aging, and many of them replaced the 'establishment' that they once assailed, they started feeling empty and yearned for the days when they felt they were part of a movement that changed America. So, ignoring the obvious progress that has been made since their youth, they brought back this issue and made it their cause again. And since many of them became attached to the colleges they once occupied, they decided to teach this to their students, so they too, would have a cause to rally behind. Many of them drifted into politics, and also needed a moral cause to get people outraged. So racism, which still exists, but is a small fraction of what it was in the 1960's when I grew up, was revived as a major issue, even though we have elected a minority President, not once, but twice. Just my opinion.

Here are examples of what other people believe.
1. One of our Experts in Everything told me that minorities should be wary of the history of the republicans. I told him he needed to research the history of his own party. Here it is in a nutshell. Dispute it. (you can't). Then apply it to how they use history on other subjects when it suits them.
https://www.prageru.com/video/the-incon ... atic-party

2. Requiring Voters to have an ID is racist? Here's one person who believes the opposite.
https://www.prageru.com/video/who-are-the-racists

3. Here's one very accomplished woman's view on 'Systematic Racism'.
https://www.prageru.com/video/what-i-ca ... out-racism

4. Does racism still exist in our country? Anybody with any sense would say yes. But how much of a problem is it, really? (You might want to be careful with this one. The messenger has been called 'The black face of white supremacy' (among other things) by the major media. Probably because he ran for Governor of California and he had a chance of winning. So they had to smear him any way they could.)
https://www.prageru.com/video/is-america-racist

5. In the previous Sports thread, I mentioned the outright advertising and promotion of the BLM organization as one of the reasons I will not 'click' on any of the major sporting leagues any more. This guy has the same concerns and questions I do.
https://www.prageru.com/video/a-fathers ... ves-matter

6. I also stated that 'wokeness' has been taken too far and now is more harmful than beneficial. This guy expresses why he thinks so too.
https://www.prageru.com/video/how-to-en ... -privilege

Enter at your own risk. You might learn something.

Here’s my perspective:

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#22 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:19 pm

tlynn78 wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:09 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:47 pm
tlynn78 wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:56 am
The difference between Bob and Flock is that Flock begins his statement with "I believe..." while Bob states his beliefs as unquestionable facts.
Flock: I believe that the moon is made of green cheese.
Bob: The moon is made of volcanic rock.

Yep, that's the only difference between them.
LOL! Or, you could try actual quotes:

Bobbo: "Remember, until 1981, every single Justice who ever served was a white man." ( I mean - you just can't make this s*#t up! LMAO)
Flock: "I think I was wrong about something I said. I don't think PragerU will get ANY money if you access it."
Yes, you're correct -- I overlooked Justice Marshall and should have said 1967 instead of 1981. Is that mistake in any way material to the point I was making or are you just looking to win a game of gotcha? Because a game of gotcha is incompatible with what flock said he was trying to accomplish. (I'll hasten to acknowledge that flock refrained from joining the "fun.")

If you were playing gotcha, congratulations. You win. If you think my error was material to my point, please elaborate because I'm not seeing it. --Bob
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#23 Post by tlynn78 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:23 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:19 pm
tlynn78 wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:09 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:47 pm
Flock: I believe that the moon is made of green cheese.
Bob: The moon is made of volcanic rock.

Yep, that's the only difference between them.
LOL! Or, you could try actual quotes:

Bobbo: "Remember, until 1981, every single Justice who ever served was a white man." ( I mean - you just can't make this s*#t up! LMAO)
Flock: "I think I was wrong about something I said. I don't think PragerU will get ANY money if you access it."
Yes, you're correct -- I overlooked Justice Marshall and should have said 1967 instead of 1981. Is that mistake in any way material to the point I was making or are you just looking to win a game of gotcha? Because a game of gotcha is incompatible with what flock said he was trying to accomplish. (I'll hasten to acknowledge that flock refrained from joining the "fun.")

If you were playing gotcha, congratulations. You win. If you think my error was material to my point, please elaborate because I'm not seeing it. --Bob
The point was being made to SSS; I have no idea what your point is, nor do I particularly care.
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#24 Post by kroxquo » Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:54 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:22 pm

Here are examples of what other people believe.
1. One of our Experts in Everything told me that minorities should be wary of the history of the republicans. I told him he needed to research the history of his own party. Here it is in a nutshell. Dispute it. (you can't). Then apply it to how they use history on other subjects when it suits them.
https://www.prageru.com/video/the-incon ... atic-party
I like to think that I am a man of my word so I will write my thoughts on each one individually.

Most of the historical information given here is true, but is not reflective of the current status of the political parties. The fact of the matter is that Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt, two Republican icons, would not be welcome in the current iteration of the Republican party. Since the 1960's, there has been a paradigm shift in the views of both parties that was really kicked off by LBJ's Great Society. The speaker also conveniently overlooks that it was FDR who provided most of the help for the poor - Black and White - during the Depression over Republican objections; that it was Harry Truman who integrated the military over Republican objections; and that it was JFK who first pushed for civil rights legislation culminating in the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

A few individual things jump out:

The Democrats started the Civil War? Certainly the vast majority of the people who led secession were Democrats, but it is misleading to say that the party itself started the war. In fact, many Democrats stayed loyal to the Union

McLean & Curtis, the Justices who dissented in the Dred Scott case were Whigs, not Republicans.

Why is the party of the writer relevant? Does this imply that a writer cannot be impartial? Although having read one of Bill O'Reilly's and one of Brian Kilmeade's "history" books, I can see where that assumption might come from.

"80% of Republicans supported [the Civil Rights Act] but less than 70% of Democrats did" This is an exact quote. So based on this statement, more than half of Democrats might have supported it. I did not look up the numbers but the statement is meaningless without something more exact.

What in the world is "politically correct policing"? And is that referring to current police practices where African Americans are overwhelmingly accused, charged, and convicted more than Whites?
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#25 Post by kroxquo » Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:22 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:22 pm

2. Requiring Voters to have an ID is racist? Here's one person who believes the opposite.
https://www.prageru.com/video/who-are-the-racists
This is a particular bugaboo that the Right likes to throw at the Left - that the Left thinks African-Americans and other minorities are not capable of achievement. This is simply not true. Affirmative Action is not about lowering expectations but about expanding opportunities. It is not that Blacks are incapable of succeeding but that they lack the opportunities to do so. Government policies - both Democratic and Republican - throughout history have combined to simply make it harder for the African-American community to succeed and have denied them the same opportunities that Whites have traditionally had. Voter I.D. is a good example. The speaker mentions that many other countries require voter I.D. He does not mention that many of these countries issue ID cards to all eligible voters with the voter not having to do anything. If access to ID was uniform in this country, I wouldn't have a problem with this. It is not that I think that minorities are incapable of getting an ID, simply that it is more difficult.

Nitpicks -

The statement that it was not until the Nixon administration is simply untrue. Both Kennedy and Johnson used the term in several Executive Orders but the concept, if not the exact phrasing goes back to the Franklin Roosevelt administration. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ ... 180959531/

I am always suspicious when a phrase like "Study after study shows..." What studies? Who conducted them? Where can we vet the results?
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