Question for Weyoun RE: Omicron

[silverscreenselect]

COVID cases are spiking again and this new Omicron variant seems to be the driving force. I'm not sure what the dividing line is between panic and reasonable caution based on the reaction so far. I've heard that the new variant is more transmissible but less likely to cause serious problems.

For those of us who are vaccinated and had booster shots (Pfizer), how serious is this threat? We avoid big crowds but we do go to restaurants about twice a week (I make sure I seat myself as far away from other patrons as possible) and the movies (at the times we go, the theater is never crowded and we seat ourselves away from others as well).

[Bob Juch]

COVID cases are spiking again and this new Omicron variant seems to be the driving force. I'm not sure what the dividing line is between panic and reasonable caution based on the reaction so far. I've heard that the new variant is more transmissible but less likely to cause serious problems.

For those of us who are vaccinated and had booster shots (Pfizer), how serious is this threat? We avoid big crowds but we do go to restaurants about twice a week (I make sure I seat myself as far away from other patrons as possible) and the movies (at the times we go, the theater is never crowded and we seat ourselves away from others as well).

Don't panic and carry a towel.

On Thursday, I'm flying to Walt Disney World with my granddaughter Brittany and her three children, ages 11 to 14. None of them are vaccinated. I was able to get my booster yesterday.

Orange County, Florida, is the one hotspot in Florida. We will be taking rather extreme precautions.

[Bob78164]

COVID cases are spiking again and this new Omicron variant seems to be the driving force. I'm not sure what the dividing line is between panic and reasonable caution based on the reaction so far. I've heard that the new variant is more transmissible but less likely to cause serious problems.

For those of us who are vaccinated and had booster shots (Pfizer), how serious is this threat? We avoid big crowds but we do go to restaurants about twice a week (I make sure I seat myself as far away from other patrons as possible) and the movies (at the times we go, the theater is never crowded and we seat ourselves away from others as well).

One thing to be careful about is Simpson's paradox. It's important to separately compare omicron to other variants in vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. The apparently lower severity of omicron might be a data artifact, caused by the fact that many more people are vaccinated now than were vaccinated when death rates of earlier variants were studied. --Bob

[triviawayne]

COVID cases are spiking again and this new Omicron variant seems to be the driving force. I'm not sure what the dividing line is between panic and reasonable caution based on the reaction so far. I've heard that the new variant is more transmissible but less likely to cause serious problems.

For those of us who are vaccinated and had booster shots (Pfizer), how serious is this threat? We avoid big crowds but we do go to restaurants about twice a week (I make sure I seat myself as far away from other patrons as possible) and the movies (at the times we go, the theater is never crowded and we seat ourselves away from others as well).

Don't panic and carry a towel.

On Thursday, I'm flying to Walt Disney World with my granddaughter Brittany and her three children, ages 11 to 14. None of them are vaccinated. I was able to get my booster yesterday.

Orange County, Florida, is the one hotspot in Florida. We will be taking rather extreme precautions.

but not so extreme that the unvaxxed in your group will get vaxxed?

[BackInTex]

Just landed in Denver completing my final flight of the year. #42, since my first flight the last week of May.

Flu shmu. Omicron, nomicron.

[silverscreenselect]

Just landed in Denver completing my final flight of the year. #42, since my first flight the last week of May.

Flu shmu. Omicron, nomicron.

Spoken by someone who's had his vaccination.

[tlynn78]

Just landed in Denver completing my final flight of the year. #42, since my first flight the last week of May.

Flu shmu. Omicron, nomicron.

Spoken by someone who's had his vaccination.

Just like all those football players. Weird.

[Weyoun]

It doesn’t sound like those football players are symptomatic, either.

In fact, I don’t understand why they’re testing NFL players. Please understand. I think the vaccine works great. Because of that, testing people with mild symptoms who are vaccinated, or just testing for screening purposes, is stupid.

I realize that the tlynns of the world are going to tlynn, and they’re gonna not get vaccinated and talk their parents into not getting vaccinated, and then cough on mom, and get mom sick, and the mom winds up in the hospital, with infected daughter screaming by phone at some poor nurse because she’s not allowed to bring her contagious ass into the hospital.

Testing football players doesn’t really make a difference with that stuff, and it just makes the folks who are trying to develop a strategy to get this under control seem like a bunch of excessive worry worts and killjoys.

Likewise, shutting down venues, instead of requiring proof of vaccination, seems silly.

Understand that the tlynns are going to infect their moms because Tucker C said natural immunity was better. Let’s work on getting that 20% of the population Who can be persuaded into getting vaccinated, vaccinated. Doing a lot of silly theatrics does not help with that.

Now, about Omicron. It seems to be wildly, fantastically contagious.

At this point it does not seem to be causing serious illness, but I also don’t think we can say that it will not. If it hits a lot more people, the numbers may be the same.

I’ve been telling folks we really need to wait till mid January to know what it will be like.

My hope is that the numbers will be closer to a bad flu outbreak.

However, if Delta can coexist with it, that means we are still pretty much screwed. Especially since early studies are showing that getting infected with Delta doesn’t seem to really prime the immune system much against Omicron.

The best case scenario is that Omicron pushes Delta out altogether and gets a lot of people sick, but mainly just mild illness.

So, to actually address the initial question, I think if you are boosted, your chances of serious illness are very low.

The vaccine seems to be about 30% less effective, unless you have a booster. That means that you really should get your booster.

This is based on what we’re seeing in South Africa. It’s a combination of the vaccine having some effect, plus the disease being seemingly milder.

Hope that was helpful.

[silverscreenselect]

Hope that was helpful.

Thanks. I may disagree with you politically (although not as often as in past years), but I respect your medical expertise and I especially respect what you've gone through the last two years in the trenches trying to combat this disease.

[Bob Juch]

Hope that was helpful.

Thanks. I may disagree with you politically (although not as often as in past years), but I respect your medical expertise and I especially respect what you've gone through the last two years in the trenches trying to combat this disease.

I get an internal server error when trying to post my reply to triviawayne so here it is:

That's right. My granddaughter listened to the propaganda. Her children's father won't vaccinate them for unknown reasons, if there was any reasoning. My wife and her daughter finally got vaxed last summer.

[Weyoun]

Hope that was helpful.

Thanks. I may disagree with you politically (although not as often as in past years), but I respect your medical expertise and I especially respect what you've gone through the last two years in the trenches trying to combat this disease.

We live in strange times. Unfortunately, they are only going to get stranger.

To put it to you another way, we are planning on having friends over for Christmas Eve. Probably eight people. They will all be boosted.

[tlynn78]

It doesn’t sound like those football players are symptomatic, either.

In fact, I don’t understand why they’re testing NFL players. Please understand. I think the vaccine works great. Because of that, testing people with mild symptoms who are vaccinated, or just testing for screening purposes, is stupid.

I realize that the tlynns of the world are going to tlynn, and they’re gonna not get vaccinated and talk their parents into not getting vaccinated, and then cough on mom, and get mom sick, and the mom winds up in the hospital, with infected daughter screaming by phone at some poor nurse because she’s not allowed to bring her contagious ass into the hospital.

Testing football players doesn’t really make a difference with that stuff, and it just makes the folks who are trying to develop a strategy to get this under control seem like a bunch of excessive worry worts and killjoys.

Likewise, shutting down venues, instead of requiring proof of vaccination, seems silly.

Understand that the tlynns are going to infect their moms because Tucker C said natural immunity was better. Let’s work on getting that 20% of the population Who can be persuaded into getting vaccinated, vaccinated. Doing a lot of silly theatrics does not help with that.

Now, about Omicron. It seems to be wildly, fantastically contagious.

At this point it does not seem to be causing serious illness, but I also don’t think we can say that it will not. If it hits a lot more people, the numbers may be the same.

I’ve been telling folks we really need to wait till mid January to know what it will be like.

My hope is that the numbers will be closer to a bad flu outbreak.

However, if Delta can coexist with it, that means we are still pretty much screwed. Especially since early studies are showing that getting infected with Delta doesn’t seem to really prime the immune system much against Omicron.

The best case scenario is that Omicron pushes Delta out altogether and gets a lot of people sick, but mainly just mild illness.

So, to actually address the initial question, I think if you are boosted, your chances of serious illness are very low.

The vaccine seems to be about 30% less effective, unless you have a booster. That means that you really should get your booster.

This is based on what we’re seeing in South Africa. It’s a combination of the vaccine having some effect, plus the disease being seemingly milder.

Hope that was helpful.

Jesus, you are laughable. Actually, my mom, 87, gave it to me, long before there was a vaccine. She got it a second time this summer, not quite as bad as the first time, after being fully vaxed. I've not been ill since first contracting it. My non-contagious ass was at the hospital with the hub for 8 or so hours, including several hours after he tested positive, before he got a room where I wasn't allowed. Sad to burst your bubble-head, but there was no screaming, or even pouting! I get it, they have rules, even if some of them know some of the rules are stupid.
My dad died pre-covid, but my f-i-l has been on the decline ever since he was vaxed.
Bless your heart.

[silverscreenselect]

I've not been ill since first contracting it. My non-contagious ass was at the hospital with the hub for 8 or so hours, including several hours after he tested positive, before he got a room where I wasn't allowed. Sad to burst your bubble-head, but there was no screaming, or even pouting! I get it, they have rules, even if some of them know some of the rules are stupid.

There are no guarantees with any medical treatment. It's all about percentages and increasing (or decreasing) your chances of survival or avoiding serious illness. There have been stories going around for years of lifelong smokers who lived to be over 100.

COVID has killed one out of every 100 people in this country over 65. As of now, people who have not been vaccinated are as much as 40 to 50 times as likely to die or have serious infections than those unvaccinated. And the booster shot makes those differences even greater. Further, the reason we have an Omicron variant is because people allowed the Delta variant to continue to spread and mutate. And the reason we have a Delta variant is because people allowed the original strains to spread and mutate. So far, the new strains appear to be manageable, if you call over 1,000 Americans a day continuing to die from this disease "manageable." But the next variant might not be.

People like Spock were big on spouting theories about herd immunity a year ago when there was no vaccine. They wanted to go around unmasked breathing in everyone's face to achieve this elusive herd immunity. Now that we actually have a way that can get us closer to that goal, you don't hear them talking about herd immunity anymore. It's about "personal freedom." Of course, it's never been about herd immunity or personal freedom. It's about making political points, no matter what the costs in human life and suffering.

The odds are that you won't die or suffer serious illness if you continue to avoid the vaccine. Just as the odds are that you won't die or suffer serious injury if you never wear a safety belt. But over 800,000 Americans have come up on the ultimate short end of those odds so far. And unlike refusing to wear a safety belt, you're not just putting yourself at greater risk, you're putting everyone else with whom you come in contact at greater risk. And I've yet to hear anyone cite any logical, fact-based reasons for the vast majority of those eligible NOT to be as fully immunized as possible.

[BackInTex]

And I've yet to hear anyone cite any logical, fact-based reasons for the vast majority of those eligible NOT to be as fully immunized as possible.

Here are 396 logical, fact-based reasons.

Most of these recalled drugs went through more testing and trials than did these vaccines.

[Spock]

SSS>>>"COVID has killed one out of every 100 people in this country over 65"<<<<

Ooh, a big scary number without any context. It is totally meaningless without some indication of how many of that 1 out of 100 would have died anyway in the last 21 months.

[silverscreenselect]

And I've yet to hear anyone cite any logical, fact-based reasons for the vast majority of those eligible NOT to be as fully immunized as possible.

Here are 396 logical, fact-based reasons.

Most of these recalled drugs went through more testing and trials than did these vaccines.

Among the recalled "drugs" on the first page of this report are Old Spice deodorant and Odor Eaters. Also, something called American Screening hand sanitizer that was recalled because it resembled a beverage bottle, and the company thought people might consume it. Here's the Odor Eater recall statement, issued by the company:

Odor-Eaters®, owned by Blistex Inc., is voluntarily recalling a total of forty-one lots of two Odor-Eaters® spray products to the consumer level due to the presence of benzene. Internal testing identified low levels of benzene contamination in specific lots of these aerosol products. Risk Statement: Benzene is classified as a human carcinogen. Exposure to benzene can occur by inhalation, orally, and through the skin and it can result in cancers including leukemia and blood cancer of the bone marrow and blood disorders which can be life-threatening. To date, Odor-Eaters® has not received any reports of adverse events related to this recall.

All 396 of these recalls were voluntary, by the company, and many of them appear to be out of concern of possible contamination of a particular batch or shipment, not the process in general. If we were to follow your logic, you wouldn't use any deodorants, soaps, shampoos, sanitizers, because they might get recalled some day. You didn't cite to it, but the FDA also has a page that lists 1799 food recalls, market withdrawals, and safety alerts. So, you better not eat anything because that might get recalled someday as well.

https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-mark ... ety-alerts

[silverscreenselect]

SSS>>>"COVID has killed one out of every 100 people in this country over 65"<<<<

Ooh, a big scary number without any context. It is totally meaningless without some indication of how many of that 1 out of 100 would have died anyway in the last 21 months.

Considering that the average number of deaths per year (all ages) in this country was three million from all causes, and it's increased over 15% due to COVID, the vast majority of them would not have died.

[BackInTex]

And I've yet to hear anyone cite any logical, fact-based reasons for the vast majority of those eligible NOT to be as fully immunized as possible.

Here are 396 logical, fact-based reasons.

Most of these recalled drugs went through more testing and trials than did these vaccines.

Among the recalled "drugs" on the first page of this report are Old Spice deodorant and Odor Eaters. Also, something called American Screening hand sanitizer that was recalled because it resembled a beverage bottle, and the company thought people might consume it. Here's the Odor Eater recall statement, issued by the company:

Odor-Eaters®, owned by Blistex Inc., is voluntarily recalling a total of forty-one lots of two Odor-Eaters® spray products to the consumer level due to the presence of benzene. Internal testing identified low levels of benzene contamination in specific lots of these aerosol products. Risk Statement: Benzene is classified as a human carcinogen. Exposure to benzene can occur by inhalation, orally, and through the skin and it can result in cancers including leukemia and blood cancer of the bone marrow and blood disorders which can be life-threatening. To date, Odor-Eaters® has not received any reports of adverse events related to this recall.

All 396 of these recalls were voluntary, by the company, and many of them appear to be out of concern of possible contamination of a particular batch or shipment, not the process in general. If we were to follow your logic, you wouldn't use any deodorants, soaps, shampoos, sanitizers, because they might get recalled some day. You didn't cite to it, but the FDA also has a page that lists 1799 food recalls, market withdrawals, and safety alerts. So, you better not eat anything because that might get recalled someday as well.

https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-mark ... ety-alerts

Don't like that list? Try this one:

Fenfluramine/phentermine (Fen-Phen)
Diethylstilbestrol (DES)
Cerivastatin (Baycol)
Rofecoxib (Vioxx)
Valdecoxib (Bextra)
Troglitazone (Rezulin)
Terfenadine (Seldane)
Phenylpropanolamine (PPA) - never formally approved by FDA, sort of like the vaccines
Mibefradil (Posicor)

Again, whether you agree with it or not, it is factual that putting stuff into your body poses risks. That is a fact. And a reason someone may not want to take the vaccine. Just like you were scared, er, cautious about going out in mid 2020. You saw facts that were relevant to you.

[Beebs52]

Y'all can stop the pissing contest about what is isn't efficacious, what is flawed, what is gonna make all our heads explode or not. My son makes vaccines. He's cool. And wants everyone vaxxed. But his bro may be allowed at Xmas. Oh no!!!

I don't care what you do re vaxxing. We're triple vaxxed. We've been around our other son who doesn't vax.

Just be common sensy, do your thing and stop passing fucking judgment.

[Weyoun]

It doesn’t sound like those football players are symptomatic, either.

In fact, I don’t understand why they’re testing NFL players. Please understand. I think the vaccine works great. Because of that, testing people with mild symptoms who are vaccinated, or just testing for screening purposes, is stupid.

I realize that the tlynns of the world are going to tlynn, and they’re gonna not get vaccinated and talk their parents into not getting vaccinated, and then cough on mom, and get mom sick, and the mom winds up in the hospital, with infected daughter screaming by phone at some poor nurse because she’s not allowed to bring her contagious ass into the hospital.

Testing football players doesn’t really make a difference with that stuff, and it just makes the folks who are trying to develop a strategy to get this under control seem like a bunch of excessive worry worts and killjoys.

Likewise, shutting down venues, instead of requiring proof of vaccination, seems silly.

Understand that the tlynns are going to infect their moms because Tucker C said natural immunity was better. Let’s work on getting that 20% of the population Who can be persuaded into getting vaccinated, vaccinated. Doing a lot of silly theatrics does not help with that.

Now, about Omicron. It seems to be wildly, fantastically contagious.

At this point it does not seem to be causing serious illness, but I also don’t think we can say that it will not. If it hits a lot more people, the numbers may be the same.

I’ve been telling folks we really need to wait till mid January to know what it will be like.

My hope is that the numbers will be closer to a bad flu outbreak.

However, if Delta can coexist with it, that means we are still pretty much screwed. Especially since early studies are showing that getting infected with Delta doesn’t seem to really prime the immune system much against Omicron.

The best case scenario is that Omicron pushes Delta out altogether and gets a lot of people sick, but mainly just mild illness.

So, to actually address the initial question, I think if you are boosted, your chances of serious illness are very low.

The vaccine seems to be about 30% less effective, unless you have a booster. That means that you really should get your booster.

This is based on what we’re seeing in South Africa. It’s a combination of the vaccine having some effect, plus the disease being seemingly milder.

Hope that was helpful.

Jesus, you are laughable. Actually, my mom, 87, gave it to me, long before there was a vaccine. She got it a second time this summer, not quite as bad as the first time, after being fully vaxed. I've not been ill since first contracting it. My non-contagious ass was at the hospital with the hub for 8 or so hours, including several hours after he tested positive, before he got a room where I wasn't allowed. Sad to burst your bubble-head, but there was no screaming, or even pouting! I get it, they have rules, even if some of them know some of the rules are stupid.
My dad died pre-covid, but my f-i-l has been on the decline ever since he was vaxed.
Bless your heart.

I’m glad your mother got vaccinated. With Delta being so rough this summer, it quite possibly saved her life

[Weyoun]

Here are 396 logical, fact-based reasons.

Most of these recalled drugs went through more testing and trials than did these vaccines.

Among the recalled "drugs" on the first page of this report are Old Spice deodorant and Odor Eaters. Also, something called American Screening hand sanitizer that was recalled because it resembled a beverage bottle, and the company thought people might consume it. Here's the Odor Eater recall statement, issued by the company:

Odor-Eaters®, owned by Blistex Inc., is voluntarily recalling a total of forty-one lots of two Odor-Eaters® spray products to the consumer level due to the presence of benzene. Internal testing identified low levels of benzene contamination in specific lots of these aerosol products. Risk Statement: Benzene is classified as a human carcinogen. Exposure to benzene can occur by inhalation, orally, and through the skin and it can result in cancers including leukemia and blood cancer of the bone marrow and blood disorders which can be life-threatening. To date, Odor-Eaters® has not received any reports of adverse events related to this recall.

All 396 of these recalls were voluntary, by the company, and many of them appear to be out of concern of possible contamination of a particular batch or shipment, not the process in general. If we were to follow your logic, you wouldn't use any deodorants, soaps, shampoos, sanitizers, because they might get recalled some day. You didn't cite to it, but the FDA also has a page that lists 1799 food recalls, market withdrawals, and safety alerts. So, you better not eat anything because that might get recalled someday as well.

https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-mark ... ety-alerts

Don't like that list? Try this one:

Fenfluramine/phentermine (Fen-Phen)
Diethylstilbestrol (DES)
Cerivastatin (Baycol)
Rofecoxib (Vioxx)
Valdecoxib (Bextra)
Troglitazone (Rezulin)
Terfenadine (Seldane)
Phenylpropanolamine (PPA) - never formally approved by FDA, sort of like the vaccines
Mibefradil (Posicor)

Again, whether you agree with it or not, it is factual that putting stuff into your body poses risks. That is a fact. And a reason someone may not want to take the vaccine. Just like you were scared, er, cautious about going out in mid 2020. You saw facts that were relevant to you.

What’s your point? Folks would take those medications really without thinking twice. The FDA, being The watchdog, figured out the problem. Sounds to me like the FDA is the reliable one.

It’s a ridiculous argument to simply say that the FDA has messed up in the past, so there’s no way you’re going to take this one very specific medication now, but she will take the antibody infusion and 12 other things that may or may not help with Covid.

This is because millions upon millions of people have received these vaccines. The side effect profile is simply not there. Antibiotics are more dangerous.

[Weyoun]

SSS>>>"COVID has killed one out of every 100 people in this country over 65"<<<<

Ooh, a big scary number without any context. It is totally meaningless without some indication of how many of that 1 out of 100 would have died anyway in the last 21 months.

Last year was the first year since World War II that our life expectancy went down.

We are in general in decline. Rural America is leading the way.

Between unhealthy lifestyles, meth and heroin, and Covid, rural America is killing itself.

Talk about Philadelphia all day long. You’re just as likely to die of something preventable at this point if you live in North Dakota then you are if you live in Philadelphia.

[tlynn78]

It doesn’t sound like those football players are symptomatic, either.

In fact, I don’t understand why they’re testing NFL players. Please understand. I think the vaccine works great. Because of that, testing people with mild symptoms who are vaccinated, or just testing for screening purposes, is stupid.

I realize that the tlynns of the world are going to tlynn, and they’re gonna not get vaccinated and talk their parents into not getting vaccinated, and then cough on mom, and get mom sick, and the mom winds up in the hospital, with infected daughter screaming by phone at some poor nurse because she’s not allowed to bring her contagious ass into the hospital.

Testing football players doesn’t really make a difference with that stuff, and it just makes the folks who are trying to develop a strategy to get this under control seem like a bunch of excessive worry worts and killjoys.

Likewise, shutting down venues, instead of requiring proof of vaccination, seems silly.

Understand that the tlynns are going to infect their moms because Tucker C said natural immunity was better. Let’s work on getting that 20% of the population Who can be persuaded into getting vaccinated, vaccinated. Doing a lot of silly theatrics does not help with that.

Now, about Omicron. It seems to be wildly, fantastically contagious.

At this point it does not seem to be causing serious illness, but I also don’t think we can say that it will not. If it hits a lot more people, the numbers may be the same.

I’ve been telling folks we really need to wait till mid January to know what it will be like.

My hope is that the numbers will be closer to a bad flu outbreak.

However, if Delta can coexist with it, that means we are still pretty much screwed. Especially since early studies are showing that getting infected with Delta doesn’t seem to really prime the immune system much against Omicron.

The best case scenario is that Omicron pushes Delta out altogether and gets a lot of people sick, but mainly just mild illness.

So, to actually address the initial question, I think if you are boosted, your chances of serious illness are very low.

The vaccine seems to be about 30% less effective, unless you have a booster. That means that you really should get your booster.

This is based on what we’re seeing in South Africa. It’s a combination of the vaccine having some effect, plus the disease being seemingly milder.

Hope that was helpful.

Jesus, you are laughable. Actually, my mom, 87, gave it to me, long before there was a vaccine. She got it a second time this summer, not quite as bad as the first time, after being fully vaxed. I've not been ill since first contracting it. My non-contagious ass was at the hospital with the hub for 8 or so hours, including several hours after he tested positive, before he got a room where I wasn't allowed. Sad to burst your bubble-head, but there was no screaming, or even pouting! I get it, they have rules, even if some of them know some of the rules are stupid.
My dad died pre-covid, but my f-i-l has been on the decline ever since he was vaxed.
Bless your heart.

I’m glad your mother got vaccinated. With Delta being so rough this summer, it quite possibly saved her life

She was even able to attend, with me, the funeral of her fully vaxed friend (including booster).

[Weyoun]

Jesus, you are laughable. Actually, my mom, 87, gave it to me, long before there was a vaccine. She got it a second time this summer, not quite as bad as the first time, after being fully vaxed. I've not been ill since first contracting it. My non-contagious ass was at the hospital with the hub for 8 or so hours, including several hours after he tested positive, before he got a room where I wasn't allowed. Sad to burst your bubble-head, but there was no screaming, or even pouting! I get it, they have rules, even if some of them know some of the rules are stupid.
My dad died pre-covid, but my f-i-l has been on the decline ever since he was vaxed.
Bless your heart.

I’m glad your mother got vaccinated. With Delta being so rough this summer, it quite possibly saved her life

She was even able to attend, with me, the funeral of her fully vaxed friend (including booster).

Of course you realize your anecdote of one doesn’t prove anything, though I think you think it does.

The Cleveland newspaper had an ad yesterday from the Cleveland hospitals begging people to get vaccinated. Their ICUs are overflowing. Greater than 90% of the folks with Covid there are not vaccinated. Something like 97% of the intubated patients are not vaccinated.

This is being seen again and again across the country.

The vaccine does not make you bulletproof, but it is one thing we have seen that does wonders to keep people out of the hospital.

[tlynn78]

I’m glad your mother got vaccinated. With Delta being so rough this summer, it quite possibly saved her life

She was even able to attend, with me, the funeral of her fully vaxed friend (including booster).

Of course you realize your anecdote of one doesn’t prove anything, though I think you think it does.

The Cleveland newspaper had an ad yesterday from the Cleveland hospitals begging people to get vaccinated. Their ICUs are overflowing. Greater than 90% of the folks with Covid there are not vaccinated. Something like 97% of the intubated patients are not vaccinated.

This is being seen again and again across the country.

The vaccine does not make you bulletproof, but it is one thing we have seen that does wonders to keep people out of the hospital.

"...it does wonders to keep people out of the hospital." "Their ICUs are overflowing.."
Do you even hear yourself?
And, I'm not the one trying to prove anything, to anyone.