Afganistan
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 11:44 am
Since the intelligence agencies thread has been hijacked to discuss the so-called audit of the Arizona election, I've started this one.
People are upset with Biden now, in some ways justifiable, in other ways Republican hypocritical posturing.
Well of course. He's doing so well there. Plus, the next mideast originated attack will just be attributed to...oops Pakistan or whateverBeauHunterburble....silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:05 pmPeople are upset with Biden now, in some ways justifiable, in other ways Republican hypocritical posturing.
But six months from now, nobody's going to care one way or another about Afghanistan. Biden will be measured by how we do with our COVID response and how the economy is doing (whether and in what form the infrastructure bills go through).
Americans will remember. Just like we remember Iran 40+ years later. The 15,000 Americans still in Afghanistan and their families will remember. I will remember.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:05 pmPeople are upset with Biden now, in some ways justifiable, in other ways Republican hypocritical posturing.
But six months from now, nobody's going to care one way or another about Afghanistan. Biden will be measured by how we do with our COVID response and how the economy is doing (whether and in what form the infrastructure bills go through).
Your information is a bit dated. We flew about 200 Americans out by helicopter in one mission yesterday and there will undoubtedly be more to come. It's not surprising that the Army said they didn't plan any rescues while they were pretty obviously planning this one. You don't tip off the enemy what you intend to do. The British and French have far fewer people to get out and don't have to worry as much about long term consequences.BackInTex wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 7:58 amAmericans will remember. Just like we remember Iran 40+ years later. The 15,000 Americans still in Afghanistan and their families will remember. I will remember.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:05 pmPeople are upset with Biden now, in some ways justifiable, in other ways Republican hypocritical posturing.
But six months from now, nobody's going to care one way or another about Afghanistan. Biden will be measured by how we do with our COVID response and how the economy is doing (whether and in what form the infrastructure bills go through).
We will also remember how Great Britain and France sent in their troops to rescue and bring their citizens out of harm's way, while our Commander in Chief and his minion generals priorities were making sure transgender soldiers are treated well and white male soldiers understood their privilege and micro-aggressions.
Don't you realize this snafu is a result of the failure of military "intelligence"? Do you really think Biden did anything other than to allow his generals to implement their plan? Just as JFK let the CIA's plans made under Eisenhower go though. Watch for some early retirements.BackInTex wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 7:58 amAmericans will remember. Just like we remember Iran 40+ years later. The 15,000 Americans still in Afghanistan and their families will remember. I will remember.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:05 pmPeople are upset with Biden now, in some ways justifiable, in other ways Republican hypocritical posturing.
But six months from now, nobody's going to care one way or another about Afghanistan. Biden will be measured by how we do with our COVID response and how the economy is doing (whether and in what form the infrastructure bills go through).
We will also remember how Great Britain and France sent in their troops to rescue and bring their citizens out of harm's way, while our Commander in Chief and his minion generals priorities were making sure transgender soldiers are treated well and white male soldiers understood their privilege and micro-aggressions.
Nicholas Kristof wrote:I'm afraid that Americans are retreating to their ideological camps about Afghanistan, sometimes suggesting that President Biden was absolutely right or absolutely wrong. It seems to be more nuanced.
As I see it, Biden was right to pull US troops out of Afghanistan and end the US presence there after 20 years. But there was a clear intelligence failure, and partly as a result, the withdrawal was not just poorly executed but conducted in a way that betrayed our Afghan partners and put them at grave risk.
Look, intelligence failures are inevitable. Good people screw up. But let's acknowledge that this was indeed a catastrophic screw-up that betrayed and endangered American citizens and Afghans alike. It's also fair to note that it reflected real policy failures in Afghanistan that go back to George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and Donald Trump. Biden inherited a failed policy there. I believe Biden, in other respects, has a sound foreign policy and may be a historic president on the domestic front, but it's also only fair to acknowledge that the withdrawal from Afghanistan, while I believe that was the right decision, was executed very poorly in a way that betrays and endangers our partners and allies.
The attackers were ISIS, not the Taliban.Officials: Several US Marines killed in Kabul airport attack
A U.S. official says several Marines were killed, and several other American military were wounded Thursday in an attack on Kabul’s airport.
Who gives a f**k which one it was. The blood is on Biden. What cluster this administration is.
What makes you think anyone could have done it better? What would you have done differently? Carping is easy. Solutions are hard. --Bob
Everything seems hard for Biden. Complete incompetence, domestically and abroad.
Not an answer to my question. How would you have managed the situation differently? --BobBackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:26 pmEverything seems hard for Biden. Complete incompetence, domestically and abroad.
He started his administration, heck all during his campaign, promising more to non-Americans than Americans. The pattern is holding.
For starters, get civilians, allies and weaponry out BEFORE the military.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:28 pmNot an answer to my question. How would you have managed the situation differently? --Bob
Oh jeez. That's too, you know, smart?tlynn78 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:17 pmFor starters, get civilians, allies and weaponry out BEFORE the military.
Forget stock in burquas - I'm buying stock in chiropractic practices. The gymnastics you peeps on the left will need to do to justify Sleepy Joe's 'presidency' will make that a bull market.
Do you have a clue how long that would take? Because just getting the people out, much less the equipment, is going to take months, and that's cramming thousands of people at a time into our largest planes.tlynn78 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:17 pmFor starters, get civilians, allies and weaponry out BEFORE the military.
Forget stock in burquas - I'm buying stock in chiropractic practices. The gymnastics you peeps on the left will need to do to justify Sleepy Joe's 'presidency' will make that a bull market.