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About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:39 pm
by Spock
that said Russia meddled in the 2016 election in Trump's favor.
Are they the same agencies that said the Afghan Gov't would hold out for 90 days when it was more like 90 hours? Realistically, it was more like 90 seconds.
Gee, good thing we have the most expensive (and self-congratulating) intel complex in the world.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:10 pm
by Bob Juch
Spock wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:39 pm
that said Russia meddled in the 2016 election in Trump's favor.
Are they the same agencies that said the Afghan Gov't would hold out for 90 days when it was more like 90 hours? Realistically, it was more like 90 seconds.
Gee, good thing we have the most expensive (and self-congratulating) intel complex in the world.
They're the grandchildren of the agencies that said we could turn over the defense of South Vietnam to their army.
Don't forget it was your hero, Mad King Donald, who negotiated with his great friends the Taliban that we'd withdraw from Afganistan in May.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 5:59 pm
by silverscreenselect
Spock wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:39 pm
Are they the same agencies that said the Afghan Gov't would hold out for 90 days when it was more like 90 hours? Realistically, it was more like 90 seconds.
No, that was our military's assessment. Our military didn't weigh in on the 2016 election.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:06 pm
by Bob78164
That's like doubting the accuracy of a vote count because pre-election polling was off. Understanding the past is much easier and more certain than predicting the future. --Bob
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:11 pm
by Estonut
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:06 pm
Understanding the past is much easier and more certain than predicting the future.
Understanding the past is much more accurate when you cooperate with an audit.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:39 pm
by Bob78164
Estonut wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:11 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:06 pm
Understanding the past is much easier and more certain than predicting the future.
Understanding the past is much more accurate when you cooperate with an audit.
Not when the auditors (a) don't know what they're doing, and (b) have as their goal to obscure the facts. --Bob
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:44 pm
by Beebs52
What.the.fuck.in re original statement.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:27 am
by Estonut
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:39 pm
Estonut wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:11 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:06 pm
Understanding the past is much easier and more certain than predicting the future.
Understanding the past is much more accurate when you cooperate with an audit.
Not when the auditors (a) don't know what they're doing, and (b) have as their goal to obscure the facts.
Please cite any proof you have of either assertion.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:21 am
by Bob78164
Estonut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:27 am
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:39 pm
Estonut wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:11 pm
Understanding the past is much more accurate when you cooperate with an audit.
Not when the auditors (a) don't know what they're doing, and (b) have as their goal to obscure the facts.
Please cite any proof you have of either assertion.
Their complete lack of experience with respect to election audits has been all over the news. Hell, they allowed black and blue pens (which can be used to mark ballots) into the same room as ballots, contrary to state law, which we know only because a reporter managed to get herself credentialed as one of the counters. And the clown who runs "Cyber Ninjas" was a huge proponent of ludicrous conspiracy theories.
And that's not even getting into the comedy act involving examining the ballots under ultraviolet light. --Bob
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:58 am
by wbtravis007
Spock wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:39 pm
that said Russia meddled in the 2016 election in Trump's favor.
Are they the same agencies that said the Afghan Gov't would hold out for 90 days when it was more like 90 hours? Realistically, it was more like 90 seconds.
Gee, good thing we have the most expensive (and self-congratulating) intel complex in the world.
Can’t tell for sure whether you’re actually saying that you think that they didn’t. If so, you, like Trump, are either incredibly gullible when it comes to Putin or lying.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:17 am
by Estonut
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:21 am
Estonut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:27 am
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:39 pm
Not when the auditors (a) don't know what they're doing, and (b) have as their goal to obscure the facts.
Please cite any proof you have of either assertion.
Their complete lack of experience with respect to election audits has been all over the news. Hell, they allowed black and blue pens (which can be used to mark ballots) into the same room as ballots, contrary to state law, which we know only because a reporter managed to get herself credentialed as one of the counters. And the clown who runs "Cyber Ninjas" was a huge proponent of ludicrous conspiracy theories.
And that's not even getting into the comedy act involving examining the ballots under ultraviolet light. --Bob
None of those statements cite any proof. Are you aware that CNN and several prominent Democrats espoused similar "ludicrous conspiracy theories" prior to this election. The current VP is on video saying that she had a roomful of hackers and there was NO voting machine they were unable to hack. Is that also a "ludicrous conspiracy theory?"
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:34 am
by tlynn78
Estonut wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:17 am
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:21 am
Estonut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:27 am
Please cite any proof you have of either assertion.
Their complete lack of experience with respect to election audits has been all over the news. Hell, they allowed black and blue pens (which can be used to mark ballots) into the same room as ballots, contrary to state law, which we know only because a reporter managed to get herself credentialed as one of the counters. And the clown who runs "Cyber Ninjas" was a huge proponent of ludicrous conspiracy theories.
And that's not even getting into the comedy act involving examining the ballots under ultraviolet light. --Bob
None of those statements cite any proof. Are you aware that CNN and several prominent Democrats espoused similar "ludicrous conspiracy theories" prior to this election. The current VP is on video saying that she had a roomful of hackers and there was NO voting machine they were unable to hack. Is that also a "ludicrous conspiracy theory?"
Esto, don't be throwing facts around, ya big galoot.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:45 am
by Bob Juch
Estonut wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:17 am
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:21 am
Estonut wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:27 am
Please cite any proof you have of either assertion.
Their complete lack of experience with respect to election audits has been all over the news. Hell, they allowed black and blue pens (which can be used to mark ballots) into the same room as ballots, contrary to state law, which we know only because a reporter managed to get herself credentialed as one of the counters. And the clown who runs "Cyber Ninjas" was a huge proponent of ludicrous conspiracy theories.
And that's not even getting into the comedy act involving examining the ballots under ultraviolet light. --Bob
None of those statements cite any proof. Are you aware that CNN and several prominent Democrats espoused similar "ludicrous conspiracy theories" prior to this election. The current VP is on video saying that she had a roomful of hackers and there was NO voting machine they were unable to hack. Is that also a "ludicrous conspiracy theory?"
Um, how are you going to hack a voting machine that's air-gapped that you don't have physical access to?
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:59 am
by silverscreenselect
Estonut wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:17 am
Are you aware that CNN and several prominent Democrats espoused similar "ludicrous conspiracy theories" prior to this election.
There is a big difference between expressing concern
before an election about possible interference in an effort to get election officials to tighten security and expressing groundless conspiracy theories months
after the election when no evidence has been produced to support those theories.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:39 pm
by Estonut
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:59 am
Estonut wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:17 am
Are you aware that CNN and several prominent Democrats espoused similar "ludicrous conspiracy theories" prior to this election.
There is a big difference between expressing concern
before an election about possible interference in an effort to get election officials to tighten security and expressing groundless conspiracy theories months
after the election when no evidence has been produced to support those theories.
No shit. These were brought up after 2016, but before 2020. Are they still "ludicrous conspiracy theories" when they come from your side after losing an election?
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:28 pm
by silverscreenselect
Estonut wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:39 pm
These were brought up after 2016, but before 2020. Are they still "ludicrous conspiracy theories" when they come from your side after losing an election?
Please provide some citation for any conspiracy theories from mainstream Democrats or news media regarding the 2016 elections.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:51 am
by Estonut
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:28 pm
Estonut wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:39 pm
These were brought up after 2016, but before 2020. Are they still "ludicrous conspiracy theories" when they come from your side after losing an election?
Please provide some citation for any conspiracy theories from mainstream Democrats or news media regarding the 2016 elections.
Since these were all from Democrats, they were not called "conspiracy theories."
CNN 11/03/2006:
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0611/03/se.02.html
CNN 8/08/2016:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/201 ... nmoney.cnn
CNN 8/11/2017:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney/201 ... h.cnnmoney
CNN 8/10/2019:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/201 ... n-business
CNN 9/26/2019:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/26/politics ... index.html
Kamala Harris 6/12/2018:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4965162/ ... nes-hacked
Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Senator Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Senator Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Representative Mark Pocan (D-Wis.) 12/06/2019:
https://www.warren.senate.gov/oversight ... ate-equity (Text of actual letter on clickable link just below intro)
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:55 am
by Estonut
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:45 am
Estonut wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:17 am
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:21 am
Their complete lack of experience with respect to election audits has been all over the news. Hell, they allowed black and blue pens (which can be used to mark ballots) into the same room as ballots, contrary to state law, which we know only because a reporter managed to get herself credentialed as one of the counters. And the clown who runs "Cyber Ninjas" was a huge proponent of ludicrous conspiracy theories.
And that's not even getting into the comedy act involving examining the ballots under ultraviolet light. --Bob
None of those statements cite any proof. Are you aware that CNN and several prominent Democrats espoused similar "ludicrous conspiracy theories" prior to this election. The current VP is on video saying that she had a roomful of hackers and there was NO voting machine they were unable to hack. Is that also a "ludicrous conspiracy theory?"
Um, how are you going to hack a voting machine that's air-gapped that you don't have physical access to?
I understand that many machines were not air-gapped as recommended.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:49 am
by silverscreenselect
Do you understand the difference between warning that elections could be hacked in an effort to improve security and filing dozens of baseless lawsuits without any evidence that the 2020 election was hacked and continuing to claim the election was rigged without any evidence? How many lawsuits did Hillary supporters file after the 2016 election? How many times did she or any prominent Democrats claim she really won the election but it was rigged? Zero. Because in the real world, as opposed to the Donald Trump conspiracy world, you need evidence to make such claims, especially if you're going to file a lawsuit challenging election results.
It's more accurate to say that the increased scrutiny resulting from the various stories you cited here resulted in increased security measures that every independent election observer states resulted in the most secure elections in our history.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:20 pm
by Bob Juch
Estonut wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:55 am
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:45 am
Estonut wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:17 am
None of those statements cite any proof. Are you aware that CNN and several prominent Democrats espoused similar "ludicrous conspiracy theories" prior to this election. The current VP is on video saying that she had a roomful of hackers and there was NO voting machine they were unable to hack. Is that also a "ludicrous conspiracy theory?"
Um, how are you going to hack a voting machine that's air-gapped that you don't have physical access to?
I understand that many machines were not air-gapped as recommended.
We all know your understanding is defective.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:02 pm
by BackInTex
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:20 pm
Estonut wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:55 am
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:45 am
Um, how are you going to hack a voting machine that's air-gapped that you don't have physical access to?
I understand that many machines were not air-gapped as recommended.
We all know your understanding is defective.
Well, so is yours. An air-gapped machine can be hacked. At some point it, or the machines that loaded the software were connected or will be connected. Or someone plugged in a USB device temporarily. How the heck would they be able to get the results out of the machine onto the machines that total all the machines?
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:27 pm
by Bob Juch
BackInTex wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:02 pm
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:20 pm
Estonut wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:55 am
I understand that many machines were not air-gapped as recommended.
We all know your understanding is defective.
Well, so is yours. An air-gapped machine can be hacked. At some point it, or the machines that loaded the software were connected or will be connected. Or someone plugged in a USB device temporarily. How the heck would they be able to get the results out of the machine onto the machines that total all the machines?
Possibly on a LAN that's not Internet-connected?
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:44 am
by BackInTex
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:27 pm
BackInTex wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:02 pm
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:20 pm
We all know your understanding is defective.
Well, so is yours. An air-gapped machine can be hacked. At some point it, or the machines that loaded the software were connected or will be connected. Or someone plugged in a USB device temporarily. How the heck would they be able to get the results out of the machine onto the machines that total all the machines?
Possibly on a LAN that's not Internet-connected?
That doesn't prevent a USB device from being used and as I implied, prior to it being air-gapped it was either connected to the internet or a network that some other machine was or had been connected to the internet is on. Nothing is safe but a Big Chief tablet.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:29 am
by silverscreenselect
BackInTex wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:44 am
That doesn't prevent a USB device from being used and as I implied, prior to it being air-gapped it was either connected to the internet or a network that some other machine was or had been connected to the internet is on. Nothing is safe but a Big Chief tablet.
For what it's worth, when I was still working at the Georgia Lottery, one of the scams they warned us about was accepting "free" flash drives from unknown sources at trade shows, etc. and plugging them into various devices on our network. That's one big way that ransomware and other malware gets onto systems.
Re: About Those 17 Intel Agencies
Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:23 pm
by BackInTex
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:29 am
BackInTex wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:44 am
That doesn't prevent a USB device from being used and as I implied, prior to it being air-gapped it was either connected to the internet or a network that some other machine was or had been connected to the internet is on. Nothing is safe but a Big Chief tablet.
For what it's worth, when I was still working at the Georgia Lottery, one of the scams they warned us about was accepting "free" flash drives from unknown sources at trade shows, etc. and plugging them into various devices on our network. That's one big way that ransomware and other malware gets onto systems.
Yep, seen it happen.