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Re: Some folks learn too late

#26 Post by BackInTex » Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:07 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:57 pm
Bob Juch wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:08 pm
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer- ... t-covid-19

FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses).
The fact that the "FDA has not approved" is meaningless since most here got vaccinated before the vaccines were approved.
And I don't believe people pushing Ivermectin are saying it cures Covid. They say it helps with the side affect of the clogged lungs, which is what kills many if not most.

Aspirin does not cure a damn thing but it has saved many people because it reduces the deadly fever caused by many illnesses while the body fights the disease or the disease runs it course.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines
Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
Article also linked via the National Center for Biotechnical Information (NCBI)
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Re: Some folks learn too late

#27 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:23 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:07 pm
BackInTex wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:57 pm
Bob Juch wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:08 pm
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer- ... t-covid-19

FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses).
The fact that the "FDA has not approved" is meaningless since most here got vaccinated before the vaccines were approved.
And I don't believe people pushing Ivermectin are saying it cures Covid. They say it helps with the side affect of the clogged lungs, which is what kills many if not most.

Aspirin does not cure a damn thing but it has saved many people because it reduces the deadly fever caused by many illnesses while the body fights the disease or the disease runs it course.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines
Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
Article also linked via the National Center for Biotechnical Information (NCBI)
That meta-analysis relies heavily on at least one paper that proved to be bogus and has been withdrawn. --Bob
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Re: Some folks learn too late

#28 Post by BackInTex » Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:55 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:23 pm
BackInTex wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:07 pm
BackInTex wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:57 pm
The fact that the "FDA has not approved" is meaningless since most here got vaccinated before the vaccines were approved.
And I don't believe people pushing Ivermectin are saying it cures Covid. They say it helps with the side affect of the clogged lungs, which is what kills many if not most.

Aspirin does not cure a damn thing but it has saved many people because it reduces the deadly fever caused by many illnesses while the body fights the disease or the disease runs it course.
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines
Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
Article also linked via the National Center for Biotechnical Information (NCBI)
That meta-analysis relies heavily on at least one paper that proved to be bogus and has been withdrawn. --Bob
Please do us all a favor and support you assertions with references and links. Anyone can say what you did.
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Re: Some folks learn too late

#29 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:58 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:55 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:23 pm
BackInTex wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 7:07 pm
url=https://journals.lww.com/americantherap ... _of.7.aspx]Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines[/url]Article also linked via the National Center for Biotechnical Information (NCBI)
That meta-analysis relies heavily on at least one paper that proved to be bogus and has been withdrawn. --Bob
Please do us all a favor and support you assertions with references and links. Anyone can say what you did.
Here you go. --Bob
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#30 Post by earendel » Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:03 am

BackInTex wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:20 pm
earendel wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:01 pm
The number of deaths from COVID-19 has now surpassed the total number of deaths from the 1918 influenza pandemic.
Roughly 0.7% of the US population of 1917 died from the Spanish Flu.
Roughly 0.2% of the US population of 2019 has died with/of Covid.

Worldwide 1/3 of the population got infected with the Spanish Flu. So far only 3% has been diagnosed (officially deemed a case).

We've got a ways to go for comparable impact.
I'm sure that statistic is of great comfort to those who have lost loved ones.
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Re: Some folks learn too late

#31 Post by BackInTex » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:40 am

earendel wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:03 am
BackInTex wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:20 pm
earendel wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:01 pm
The number of deaths from COVID-19 has now surpassed the total number of deaths from the 1918 influenza pandemic.
Roughly 0.7% of the US population of 1917 died from the Spanish Flu.
Roughly 0.2% of the US population of 2019 has died with/of Covid.

Worldwide 1/3 of the population got infected with the Spanish Flu. So far only 3% has been diagnosed (officially deemed a case).

We've got a ways to go for comparable impact.
I'm sure that statistic is of great comfort to those who have lost loved ones.
It was not meant to be comforting. It was just meant to put your statistic in perspective.
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Re: Some folks learn too late

#32 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:54 am

BackInTex wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:40 am
It was not meant to be comforting. It was just meant to put your statistic in perspective.
Here's something to put in perspective. Roughly 1% of the US population dies every year. That figure increased by 20% in 2020. More people died in the State of Alabama in 2020 than were born. That's the first time this has occurred in 100 years, including World War II.
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#33 Post by BackInTex » Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:08 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:54 am
BackInTex wrote:
Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:40 am
It was not meant to be comforting. It was just meant to put your statistic in perspective.
Here's something to put in perspective. Roughly 1% of the US population dies every year. That figure increased by 20% in 2020. More people died in the State of Alabama in 2020 than were born. That's the first time this has occurred in 100 years, including World War II.

Without comparing birth rates (for Alabama) you can't really make a determination on whether that is good or bad. And you still can't even if you know the birth rates.

What would be a good metric is comparing the % of deaths under and above the average life expectancy. See if you can find that. The following is only for explanatory purposes.

Average life expectancy 2019: 76
2019 deaths under 76 years of age: 25%
2019 deaths at or over 76 years of age: 75%

2020 deaths under 76 years of age: 23%
2020 deaths at or over 76 years of age: 77%

If there is a significant swing to the younger it would be a legitimate cause for concern. I'm not saying it is or isn't, I don't know. Maybe you or the Bobs can find it.

Another good one would be % of those under 76 who died....2019 compared to 2020. Gross numbers are good for headlines but not for analysis.
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#34 Post by jarnon » Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:01 pm

This guy never learned:

Defiant to the end, prominent anti-vaxx activist dies of COVID
Shoulian said he believed that, “with God’s help,” he would recover in two-three weeks and railed at the government’s Green Pass system, which limits entry to many venues and events to those who are vaccinated, recovered from COVID, or who present a negative coronavirus test result.

“It has nothing to do with the coronavirus. It has nothing to do with vaccines. It has to do with coercion,” he said.

In a video last week, Shoulian claimed police tried to poison him after he was arrested during a recent protest against the Green Pass.

“I’m telling you, this is an attempt to wipe me out and if something happens to me know that’s exactly what happened,” he said.

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