Re: Why is CPAC rooting for America to fail?
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:02 pm
People have (and wear) NRA badges?
Man, talk about a nerd!
Man, talk about a nerd!
A home for the weary.
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So, ignore the few terrible incidents of side effects to the vaccine, but pay attention to the few terrible side effects of COVID. Got it.
Why would I have to miss work? I work from home most of the time.
Not that it's any of your business, but no. I'm on zero medications. I take a fiber supplement, joint supplement, and vitamin D, when I remember. That's it.
If you're saying the frequencies are remotely comparable, then at best you're being deliberately obtuse. They're not remotely close to comparable. We're talking orders of magnitude in difference. --Bob
I would say that Weyoun has a far better understanding of the pandemic and vaccine from the emergency room than you do from your living room. And as those who have been around this Bored for a while know, he's not a died-in-the-wool liberal like me or the Bobs. But the current right wing tendency is to mock and belittle science and glorify nonsense that fits in with their political beliefs. I'm guessing that Mr. NRA felt the same way you did about the vaccine.
From what we’ve seen, the risk of heart inflammation from Covid is actually higher than from the vaccines.BackInTex wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:08 pmSo, ignore the few terrible incidents of side effects to the vaccine, but pay attention to the few terrible side effects of COVID. Got it.
Why would I have to miss work? I work from home most of the time.
Not that it's any of your business, but no. I'm on zero medications. I take a fiber supplement, joint supplement, and vitamin D, when I remember. That's it.
What do you take?
It makes me happy that you waste any portion of the time remaining to you in this life worrying about what conservative activists at CPAC are doing.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:15 amConservative activists cheered, literally cheered, America missing the Biden Administration's vaccination goal. Why are conservative activists rooting for America to fail? Why are Republican voters rewarding them (with endorsements and primary wins) for rooting against America? Patriotic Americans want to know. --Bob
Thanks to you and people like you, Spock, Los Angeles County is resuming a mask mandate starting Sunday. So your delusions, and those of people like you, are now directly affecting my life even though I've done the right thing.Spock wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:41 pmIt makes me happy that you waste any portion of the time remaining to you in this life worrying about what conservative activists at CPAC are doing.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:15 amConservative activists cheered, literally cheered, America missing the Biden Administration's vaccination goal. Why are conservative activists rooting for America to fail? Why are Republican voters rewarding them (with endorsements and primary wins) for rooting against America? Patriotic Americans want to know. --Bob
I LOL that they are living rent-free in your head.
One, Spock has nothing to do with you mask mandate. He is not even there.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:46 pmThanks to you and people like you, Spock, Los Angeles County is resuming a mask mandate starting Sunday. So your delusions, and those of people like you, are now directly affecting my life even though I've done the right thing.Spock wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:41 pmIt makes me happy that you waste any portion of the time remaining to you in this life worrying about what conservative activists at CPAC are doing.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:15 amConservative activists cheered, literally cheered, America missing the Biden Administration's vaccination goal. Why are conservative activists rooting for America to fail? Why are Republican voters rewarding them (with endorsements and primary wins) for rooting against America? Patriotic Americans want to know. --Bob
I LOL that they are living rent-free in your head.
So you can go fuck yourself. --Bob
California's hospitalization numbers have doubled in the last five weeks.BackInTex wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:26 amOne, Spock has nothing to do with you mask mandate. He is not even there.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:46 pmThanks to you and people like you, Spock, Los Angeles County is resuming a mask mandate starting Sunday. So your delusions, and those of people like you, are now directly affecting my life even though I've done the right thing.
So you can go fuck yourself. --Bob
Two, people like Spock are not responsible for the resumption of a mask mandate
Two.1 - Spock is not sick so he, nor people like him would cause any infections that might lead to the presumptive need for a mask mandate
Two2 - people like Spock would never resume a mask mandate. People like YOU Bob are the ones doing that
Three - people like you Bob, and their policies, have created the unhealthy environment of the homeless and the illegal immigrants (though CA is seeing less than TX so I don't think that has much to do with the presumptive need for a mask mandate)
Four - TX has more people like Spock than CA, and we are not resuming a mask mandate.
Once again, your blame is misdirected. You need a mirror.
I would not be opposed to that. However, let’s go further. Charge premiums for those overweight, too. Especially those with Type II diabetes.
More importantly, people with diabetes didn't choose to get diabetes. And many severely overweight people would dearly love to lose the weight. For one reason or another, they just can't do it.Bob Juch wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:56 pmPeople with diabetes don't infect others.
Interesting. What is the concern? Why just teenage boys?
I'm mostly concerned with taking any medication that is not really needed. All medications have potential side effects. I'm a firm believer that one should let their body, when able, to do what it was designed to do. Most traditional vaccines do that, but the mRNA type vaccines are different, and (I hope) you know that.Weyoun wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:15 amMy point about the medication is that folks who will take pills for any number of things just because their doctor prescribes them, even if these pills do have real side effects (see the verbiage in ads) are suddenly VERY worried about side effects in vaccines and are fearful that companies might be trying to make MONEY with vaccines, which of course they don’t do with other medicines.
Once again, a medical professional assuming they are the only people with intelligence. I don't take anything without thinking.
More arrogance or do you not understand the difference in how various "medications" work? I assume arrogance, at least I hope so.
LOL. Not much of a defense. I too voted for Romney, or rather against Obama. I would never say I'm conservative because I voted for Romney.
Being critical of a behavior you are predicting by exhibiting that behavior yourself is hypocritical.
I'm curious about the thinking process that goes into determining whether to take any medications. It obviously doesn't include listening to the overwhelming weight of medical experts who have expressed opinions. Perhaps your medical training and education or your training in biochemistry are more advanced than Weyoun's and Fauci's and the rest of them.BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:52 amI'm mostly concerned with taking any medication that is not really needed. All medications have potential side effects. I'm a firm believer that one should let their body, when able, to do what it was designed to do. Most traditional vaccines do that, but the mRNA type vaccines are different, and (I hope) you know that. I don't take anything without thinking.
I guess we can disagree on what mRNA vaccines do is having the human body do what it was designed to do. My understanding, and most of the literature, says the mRNA vaccines "teach" the body how to make a specific protein (one it does not already do) that triggers the immune response. Our bodies are not designed to create something that itself wants to fight. That by definition, is autoimmune.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:38 pmI'm curious about the thinking process that goes into determining whether to take any medications. It obviously doesn't include listening to the overwhelming weight of medical experts who have expressed opinions. Perhaps your medical training and education or your training in biochemistry are more advanced than Weyoun's and Fauci's and the rest of them.BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:52 amI'm mostly concerned with taking any medication that is not really needed. All medications have potential side effects. I'm a firm believer that one should let their body, when able, to do what it was designed to do. Most traditional vaccines do that, but the mRNA type vaccines are different, and (I hope) you know that. I don't take anything without thinking.
Your statements show how little you know about how vaccines, either "traditional" or "mRNA" work. All vaccines work by introducing a foreign substance into the body in the hopes of triggering the creation of antibodies that will fight future infections. In the case of traditional vaccines, it's a related (cowpox), weakened, or deadened strain of the virus. For a couple of centuries, that's the only way we could make vaccines, and there were obvious risks involved. The mRNA vaccine introduces a modified version of RNA that instructs the body to create a spike protein that triggers the creation of antibodies. That spike protein is what causes the body to "sense" that the virus in present and start the antibody process. In both cases, the vaccine causes the body to "do what it was designed to do" more quickly and safely. The mRNA vaccine just starts the process one stage earlier. The mRNA doesn't enter the cell nucleus; it doesn't interact with or affect the body's DNA, so there's no "gene modification."
Now I happen to agree with you about taking certain medications, especially painkillers. After my surgery, I refused a couple of painkillers they wanted me to take and still wound up with a prescription for Oxy (that's joined my Oxy collection that I've been prescribed and never taken over the years. If I get desperate for cash someday, I can sell those to junkies for a couple of bucks apiece.) But I don't know where you're getting your information about the relative degree of risks involved and the potential danger of not getting the vaccine. It's not based on any medical evidence other than Tucker Carlson rants and anonymous Facebook posts. It's really like people's fear of flying because of the fear of dying in a crash. Flying 1,000 miles to a destination is much less risky than driving 1,000 miles to that same destination.
So if I understand your thinking, injecting deadly viruses into the body (albeit weakened or dead versions of those viruses) to trigger antibody response is okay, but injecting a synthetic version of a substance (mRNA) that's already present in the body so that it can produce another harmless substance that will trigger the antibody response is not. And this is based on the teachings of Dr. Tucker Carlson and our own Bored's Doctor Spock. Got it.BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:53 pmI guess we can disagree on what mRNA vaccines do is having the human body do what it was designed to do. My understanding, and most of the literature, says the mRNA vaccines "teach" the body how to make a specific protein (one it does not already do) that triggers the immune response. Our bodies are not designed to create something that itself wants to fight. That is by definition, is autoimmune.
Do you not make decisions? Do you just do what people, whom you think are smarter than you, tell you to do? It would be foolish to always just "do what the doctor ordered" because you think he may be smarter. Of course you've admitted to just that, so I guess I have my answer.
I hadn't realized just how profoundly you don't know what you're talking about. That is literally how every virus you've ever contracted in your life works. It invades your body's cells, hijacks them, and gets the cell to replicate more copies of the virus. Think of the chestburster from Alien on a cellular level. Which your body's immune system then fights.BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:53 pmI guess we can disagree on what mRNA vaccines do is having the human body do what it was designed to do. My understanding, and most of the literature, says the mRNA vaccines "teach" the body how to make a specific protein (one it does not already do) that triggers the immune response. Our bodies are not designed to create something that itself wants to fight. That by definition, is autoimmune.
You'll need to be more specific on where I'm wrong and why. Start with what I said, because what you are saying does not invalidate what I said. Perhaps put your trial hat on and start with the evidence (what I said).Bob78164 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:42 pmI hadn't realized just how profoundly you don't know what you're talking about. That is literally how every virus you've ever contracted in your life works. It invades your body's cells, hijacks them, and gets the cell to replicate more copies of the virus. Think of the chestburster from Alien on a cellular level. Which your body's immune system then fights.BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:53 pmI guess we can disagree on what mRNA vaccines do is having the human body do what it was designed to do. My understanding, and most of the literature, says the mRNA vaccines "teach" the body how to make a specific protein (one it does not already do) that triggers the immune response. Our bodies are not designed to create something that itself wants to fight. That by definition, is autoimmune.
The difference is that the mRNA vaccine accomplishes this task without killing the cells it enters, and the proteins it manufactures are not capable of taking over further cells.
And yet there is wide spread panic, mask mandates, talk of forced vaccinations, HIPAA violating requirements for "passports",,,,, all for nothing worse than a common cold.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:42 pmAt this point, though, it's clear that the Delta variant is highly transmissible. Which means that within only a few months there will be only two types of people in this country. Those who have been vaccinated and those who have been infected. There will be some people in both groups, but virtually all of them will feel nothing worse than a cold. There will be virtually no one who is outside both groups.
So if you haven't yet been vaccinated and don't plan to be, I hope you survive your inevitable infection. You may be a PITA, but you're our PITA and I don't want to see you profoundly ill, especially from an avoidable cause. --Bob
No, what Bob said was that those who have been vaccinated and still contract COVID will have, at most, mild symptoms. Those who haven't been vaccinated are the reason why ICUs are filling up rapidly in red states. And the longer that COVID hangs around, the greater the chance of even worse variants springing up.
An antigen from a traditional vaccine is also a protein the body is not familiar with. Is that not "autoimmune" also?BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:53 pmI guess we can disagree on what mRNA vaccines do is having the human body do what it was designed to do. My understanding, and most of the literature, says the mRNA vaccines "teach" the body how to make a specific protein (one it does not already do) that triggers the immune response. Our bodies are not designed to create something that itself wants to fight. That by definition, is autoimmune.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:38 pmI'm curious about the thinking process that goes into determining whether to take any medications. It obviously doesn't include listening to the overwhelming weight of medical experts who have expressed opinions. Perhaps your medical training and education or your training in biochemistry are more advanced than Weyoun's and Fauci's and the rest of them.BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:52 amI'm mostly concerned with taking any medication that is not really needed. All medications have potential side effects. I'm a firm believer that one should let their body, when able, to do what it was designed to do. Most traditional vaccines do that, but the mRNA type vaccines are different, and (I hope) you know that. I don't take anything without thinking.
Your statements show how little you know about how vaccines, either "traditional" or "mRNA" work. All vaccines work by introducing a foreign substance into the body in the hopes of triggering the creation of antibodies that will fight future infections. In the case of traditional vaccines, it's a related (cowpox), weakened, or deadened strain of the virus. For a couple of centuries, that's the only way we could make vaccines, and there were obvious risks involved. The mRNA vaccine introduces a modified version of RNA that instructs the body to create a spike protein that triggers the creation of antibodies. That spike protein is what causes the body to "sense" that the virus in present and start the antibody process. In both cases, the vaccine causes the body to "do what it was designed to do" more quickly and safely. The mRNA vaccine just starts the process one stage earlier. The mRNA doesn't enter the cell nucleus; it doesn't interact with or affect the body's DNA, so there's no "gene modification."
Now I happen to agree with you about taking certain medications, especially painkillers. After my surgery, I refused a couple of painkillers they wanted me to take and still wound up with a prescription for Oxy (that's joined my Oxy collection that I've been prescribed and never taken over the years. If I get desperate for cash someday, I can sell those to junkies for a couple of bucks apiece.) But I don't know where you're getting your information about the relative degree of risks involved and the potential danger of not getting the vaccine. It's not based on any medical evidence other than Tucker Carlson rants and anonymous Facebook posts. It's really like people's fear of flying because of the fear of dying in a crash. Flying 1,000 miles to a destination is much less risky than driving 1,000 miles to that same destination.
Do you not make decisions? Do you just do what people, whom you think are smarter than you, tell you to do? It would be foolish to always just "do what the doctor ordered" because you think he may be smarter. Of course you've admitted to just that, so I guess I have my answer.
I think you would say you are conservative because culturally you are resistant to change and new ideas, and not because of actual political positions. You've made it abundantly clear your fears are psychologically grounded and not based in actual facts.BackInTex wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:52 amInteresting. What is the concern? Why just teenage boys?
I'm mostly concerned with taking any medication that is not really needed. All medications have potential side effects. I'm a firm believer that one should let their body, when able, to do what it was designed to do. Most traditional vaccines do that, but the mRNA type vaccines are different, and (I hope) you know that.Weyoun wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:15 amMy point about the medication is that folks who will take pills for any number of things just because their doctor prescribes them, even if these pills do have real side effects (see the verbiage in ads) are suddenly VERY worried about side effects in vaccines and are fearful that companies might be trying to make MONEY with vaccines, which of course they don’t do with other medicines.
Once again, a medical professional assuming they are the only people with intelligence. I don't take anything without thinking.
You seem to be a medical professional that wouldn't listen to patients because you assume they are stupid. I nearly died because of such arrogance. I will predict your arrogance will kill more people than any arrogance I may ever exhibit.
More arrogance or do you not understand the difference in how various "medications" work? I assume arrogance, at least I hope so.
There are different medicines that have different purposes and even when having the same purpose use completely different methods. Saying something is "just another medicine" is over simplifying, and dangerous.
Saying vaccines are just another medicine is like comparing a gun to a dead bolt lock as just another crime prevention tool. They are completely different in their purpose and methodology.
LOL. Not much of a defense. I too voted for Romney, or rather against Obama. I would never say I'm conservative because I voted for Romney.
No. In a traditional vaccine the body does not make the protein that it creates antibodies to destroy. Those proteins are foreign and from an external source (the vaccine).
Tell me why you would advise against giving the vaccine to teenage boys. But not girls? Why not pre-pubescent boys. I'm listening.