"Our expectation is that someone may try to kill us."
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"Our expectation is that someone may try to kill us."
Evidence from Rep. Peter Meijer (R -- Mich.) that what's left of the Republican Party is morphing into a terrorist organization. --Bob
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Re: "Our expectation is that someone may try to kill us."
In the, say last 10 or so years, how many Democrat congresspersons have been shot of physically assaulted resulting in hospitalization by Republican supporters? How many Republicans by Democratic supporters?
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Re: "Our expectation is that someone may try to kill us."
Utterly false equivalence. We're not talking about random crazies here.
A number of Republican Members of the House who wanted to vote to impeach Donny did not do so because they feared for their lives and the lives of their families. Rep. Meijer adverted to this when he said that he refused to allow a terrorists' veto, an insurrectionists' veto, a hecklers' veto. He said that because some of his Republican colleagues were not so resolute. The threat of Republican mob violence affected a Congressional vote.
That's because of a mob generated and whipped to a frenzy by Donny and his enablers by lying to them.
And both Donny and some of his enablers are Republicans holding high political office, and they're using this mob for political ends.
It's time to choose. You either believe in democracy or you don't. --Bob
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Re: "Our expectation is that someone may try to kill us."
Not a false equivalence. It's actually fact based vs subjective kowtowing. I know that bothers you so I'm not surprised you try to deflect.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:49 pmUtterly false equivalence. We're not talking about random crazies here.
A number of Republican Members of the House who wanted to vote to impeach Donny did not do so because they feared for their lives and the lives of their families. Rep. Meijer adverted to this when he said that he refused to allow a terrorists' veto, an insurrectionists' veto, a hecklers' veto. He said that because some of his Republican colleagues were not so resolute. The threat of Republican mob violence affected a Congressional vote.
That's because of a mob generated and whipped to a frenzy by Donny and his enablers by lying to them.
And both Donny and some of his enablers are Republicans holding high political office, and they're using this mob for political ends.
It's time to choose. You either believe in democracy or you don't. --Bob
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Re: "Our expectation is that someone may try to kill us."
The relevant question would be: how many Democratic office holders are worried about being killed by Democratic supporters who disagree with positions they might take or votes they might cast.
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Re: "Our expectation is that someone may try to kill us."
Back in November, Buffacuse posted this:
Over and over again for the last few days, we've been hearing learned commentators say the same thing: Trump is refusing to accept the results. He can't believe he lost.
I think that misses the point.
Trump has lost a lot in his life...Trump U, the casinos, Trump Air, the USFL, real estate deals gone bad...the list is long. He was almost broke before Celebrity Apprentice--in fact, he could technically be considered broke now.
But what he's always managed to do is cheat his way out of losing--minimize the loss so it's a net break even or even a kind of win. See: taxes.
Trump's true pathology as a sociopath is his belief, drilled into him by his father, that cheating to win is still winning. In fact, in the words of the great Bobby the Brain Heenan, it's not illegal if you don't get caught. Trump knows he is cheating--he doesn't care, as long as he wins.
What Trump cannot believe, what we're asking him to accept for the first time in his life, is not that he lost--it's that he can't cheat his way out of it. And, under that kind of pathology, what is he capable of doing? Tlynn laughed it off, but I think we just found out. I hope we just found out.
Two things that aren't helpful: BiT dragging in off topic arguments, and Bob##### making inaccurate statements about what's left of the Republican Party morphing into a terrorist organization. Rep. Meijer himself demonstrates the contrary.
The whole issue is very troubling to me because of the far-reaching effects of Trump's last ditch (I hope) efforts to keep the presidency. As much as I disagree with Bob######'s exaggerated terrorist rhetoric, it's no exaggeration that lots of people do have an expectation that someone may try to kill us. I just got a call from a long time acquaintance urging me to use any influence I have with local Dems to keep them home on inauguration day. As far as I know, that is the plan, but I still put in an E-mail to some local activist leaders. Don't give them any oxygen, my caller said. Then he changed it to "don't give them any targets."
Over and over again for the last few days, we've been hearing learned commentators say the same thing: Trump is refusing to accept the results. He can't believe he lost.
I think that misses the point.
Trump has lost a lot in his life...Trump U, the casinos, Trump Air, the USFL, real estate deals gone bad...the list is long. He was almost broke before Celebrity Apprentice--in fact, he could technically be considered broke now.
But what he's always managed to do is cheat his way out of losing--minimize the loss so it's a net break even or even a kind of win. See: taxes.
Trump's true pathology as a sociopath is his belief, drilled into him by his father, that cheating to win is still winning. In fact, in the words of the great Bobby the Brain Heenan, it's not illegal if you don't get caught. Trump knows he is cheating--he doesn't care, as long as he wins.
What Trump cannot believe, what we're asking him to accept for the first time in his life, is not that he lost--it's that he can't cheat his way out of it. And, under that kind of pathology, what is he capable of doing? Tlynn laughed it off, but I think we just found out. I hope we just found out.
Two things that aren't helpful: BiT dragging in off topic arguments, and Bob##### making inaccurate statements about what's left of the Republican Party morphing into a terrorist organization. Rep. Meijer himself demonstrates the contrary.
The whole issue is very troubling to me because of the far-reaching effects of Trump's last ditch (I hope) efforts to keep the presidency. As much as I disagree with Bob######'s exaggerated terrorist rhetoric, it's no exaggeration that lots of people do have an expectation that someone may try to kill us. I just got a call from a long time acquaintance urging me to use any influence I have with local Dems to keep them home on inauguration day. As far as I know, that is the plan, but I still put in an E-mail to some local activist leaders. Don't give them any oxygen, my caller said. Then he changed it to "don't give them any targets."
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When only ten members of the caucus are willing to cast that vote, I think it's necessary to conclude that the other two hundred-some Members are more representative of the Party. I will bet you that the Party takes no formal action against any of Donny's Congressional enablers, but turns ferociously on the ten Members who voted to impeach. --BobSportsFan68 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:13 pmTwo things that aren't helpful: BiT dragging in off topic arguments, and Bob##### making inaccurate statements about what's left of the Republican Party morphing into a terrorist organization. Rep. Meijer himself demonstrates the contrary.
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How many people have been arrested for conspiring to kidnap Republican governors and put them on trial for treason?
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Just to add fuel to the fire, Mark Thiessen has an editorial in the Washington Post mentioning an occupation of the capital building in Madison, WI, a decade ago - by pro-union activists. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi "praised the occupiers for an 'impressive show of democracy in action...'"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... gainst-it/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... gainst-it/
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That's in line with post-riot polls that have been taken. As shown here, 65% of Republicans don't trust the electoral process, 73% believe there is widespread voter fraud (despite no evidence to the contrary shown in all the lawsuits), 49% still oppose Biden's inauguration due to "voter fraud." Only 32% of Republicans blame Trump for inciting the riots, and only 17% support impeachment.Bob78164 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:33 pmI think it's necessary to conclude that the other two hundred-some Members are more representative of the Party. I will bet you that the Party takes no formal action against any of Donny's Congressional enablers, but turns ferociously on the ten Members who voted to impeach. --Bob
With numbers like these, from a coldly political perspective, it makes sense for the Hawleys and Cruzes to keep pushing their narratives among Republicans. The only thing that's going to stop them will be evidence that it doesn't work. The 2022 elections will be key in that regard. The party in power traditionally loses big in mid-term elections and under that scenario, it's easy to envision the Democrats losing the House in 2022. But if the 2022 elections more closely track the Georgia runoffs then you may see a more reasonable attitude.
I would point out that things in Georgia aren't quite playing out that way, although there are a number of bills pending that would significantly restrict absentee voting in future elections. Several Republican state legislators were stripped of their committee chairmanships for supporting Trump's claims of election fraud in the last election. Many of those claims, of course, were directed at Governor Kemp and Sec of State Raffensparger. I do expect ex-Congressman Doug Collins to either run against Raphael Warnock in 2022 or take Kemp on in a primary for governor (Stacey Abrams will likely be the Democratic candidate for Governor).
One thing that I fear is going to happen very soon is that, with a few exceptions like Murkowski and Romney, you'll see Republicans circling the wagons even more on anything that Biden proposes.
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Marjorie Taylor-Greene, possibly the wackiest member of Congress, said that she will file articles of impeachment against Joe Biden the day after his inauguration. Since even she realizes she can't manufacture any impeachable actions out of Biden's attending a day's worth of inauguration festivities (most of them virtual), she says that it has to do with unspecified crimes that occurred while he was vice-president. These will apparently relate in some way to Hunter Biden's laptop, but I'm not sure if they'll have anything to do with Biden's involvement in child sex-trafficking rings.
It will be interesting to see how many other Republicans sign on to this.
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She's the reason Mad King Donald had a rally in Dalton.silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:33 pmMarjorie Taylor-Greene, possibly the wackiest member of Congress, said that she will file articles of impeachment against Joe Biden the day after his inauguration. Since even she realizes she can't manufacture any impeachable actions out of Biden's attending a day's worth of inauguration festivities (most of them virtual), she says that it has to do with unspecified crimes that occurred while he was vice-president. These will apparently relate in some way to Hunter Biden's laptop, but I'm not sure if they'll have anything to do with Biden's involvement in child sex-trafficking rings.
It will be interesting to see how many other Republicans sign on to this.
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I wonder if she's thought it through far enough to realize that if she is successful then Harris would become President.
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Re: "Our expectation is that someone may try to kill us."
SportsFan68 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:13 pmBack in November, Buffacuse posted this:
Over and over again for the last few days, we've been hearing learned commentators say the same thing: Trump is refusing to accept the results. He can't believe he lost.
I think that misses the point.
Trump has lost a lot in his life...Trump U, the casinos, Trump Air, the USFL, real estate deals gone bad...the list is long. He was almost broke before Celebrity Apprentice--in fact, he could technically be considered broke now.
But what he's always managed to do is cheat his way out of losing--minimize the loss so it's a net break even or even a kind of win. See: taxes.
Trump's true pathology as a sociopath is his belief, drilled into him by his father, that cheating to win is still winning. In fact, in the words of the great Bobby the Brain Heenan, it's not illegal if you don't get caught. Trump knows he is cheating--he doesn't care, as long as he wins.
What Trump cannot believe, what we're asking him to accept for the first time in his life, is not that he lost--it's that he can't cheat his way out of it. And, under that kind of pathology, what is he capable of doing? Tlynn laughed it off, but I think we just found out. I hope we just found out.
Two things that aren't helpful: BiT dragging in off topic arguments, and Bob##### making inaccurate statements about what's left of the Republican Party morphing into a terrorist organization. Rep. Meijer himself demonstrates the contrary.
The whole issue is very troubling to me because of the far-reaching effects of Trump's last ditch (I hope) efforts to keep the presidency. As much as I disagree with Bob######'s exaggerated terrorist rhetoric, it's no exaggeration that lots of people do have an expectation that someone may try to kill us. I just got a call from a long time acquaintance urging me to use any influence I have with local Dems to keep them home on inauguration day. As far as I know, that is the plan, but I still put in an E-mail to some local activist leaders. Don't give them any oxygen, my caller said. Then he changed it to "don't give them any targets."
Rec! Rec! Rec!
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