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#1 Post by Beebs52 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:24 pm

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#2 Post by Beebs52 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:29 pm

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#3 Post by Bob78164 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:54 pm

Here's the text of the actual bill. Unsurprisingly, most examples in the parade of horribles presented by the author (at least, those I could read before the firewall kicked in) are complete nonsense for the simple reason that the wealth tax doesn't kick in until someone's net worth reaches $30 million, exclusive of real property. So I'm not too worried about college students or teenage surfers getting an unexpected tax bill.

More importantly, though, this particular bill is dead, since it was introduced last year and didn't become law. In fact, it never even received a vote in committee. --Bob
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#4 Post by Beebs52 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:10 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:54 pm
Here's the text of the actual bill. Unsurprisingly, most examples in the parade of horribles presented by the author (at least, those I could read before the firewall kicked in) are complete nonsense for the simple reason that the wealth tax doesn't kick in until someone's net worth reaches $30 million, exclusive of real property. So I'm not too worried about college students or teenage surfers getting an unexpected tax bill.

More importantly, though, this particular bill is dead, since it was introduced last year and didn't become law. In fact, it never even received a vote in committee. --Bob
That's good to know. The second link had the whole article.
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#5 Post by BackInTex » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:23 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:54 pm
the wealth tax doesn't kick in until someone's net worth reaches $30 million, exclusive of real property. So I'm not too worried about college students or teenage surfers getting an unexpected tax bill.
That is the extent you you care about what such a tax might do? College students and teenage surfers?
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#6 Post by Bob78164 » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:36 pm

BackInTex wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:23 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:54 pm
the wealth tax doesn't kick in until someone's net worth reaches $30 million, exclusive of real property. So I'm not too worried about college students or teenage surfers getting an unexpected tax bill.
That is the extent you you care about what such a tax might do? College students and teenage surfers?
Just responding to the parade of horribles cited in the linked article (to the extent I could read it). --Bob
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#7 Post by Bob78164 » Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:10 am

This link is the same as the first. The article itself was journalistic malpractice because it failed to point out that the bill under discussion was already dead, since it was introduced in an expired session. --Bob
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#8 Post by Estonut » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:47 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:10 am
The article itself was journalistic malpractice because ...
If there were such a thing, the mainstream media would be broke and Donald Trump would have been re-elected outright.
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#9 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:28 am

Estonut wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:47 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:10 am
The article itself was journalistic malpractice because ...
If there were such a thing, the mainstream media would be broke and Donald Trump would have been re-elected outright.
If you think that under any circumstances a majority of Americans would have reelected an outright racist in thrall to Russia with the emotional maturity of a two-year-old (my apologies to the more gifted or well-raised two-year-olds), then you must not think much of our fellow citizens. --Bob
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#10 Post by tlynn78 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:11 am

Estonut wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:47 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:10 am
The article itself was journalistic malpractice because ...
If there were such a thing, the mainstream media would be broke and Donald Trump would have been re-elected outright.
Precisely.
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#11 Post by Estonut » Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:47 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:28 am
Estonut wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:47 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:10 am
The article itself was journalistic malpractice because ...
If there were such a thing, the mainstream media would be broke and Donald Trump would have been re-elected outright.
If you think that under any circumstances a majority of Americans would have reelected an outright racist in thrall to Russia with the emotional maturity of a two-year-old (my apologies to the more gifted or well-raised two-year-olds), then you must not think much of our fellow citizens.
Change "Russia" to "Ukraine and China" and "emotional maturity" to "intellectual ability," add a credible rape allegation, at least seven other credible #metoo complaints, years of filmed and photographed creepy behavior around non-related women and girls, support of decades of racist legislation, tons of evidence of abuse of power and influence-peddling and you describe your candidate exactly.

Are you unaware of the post-election polls indicating that of those who voted for Biden, a deciding percentage would have voted for Trump, had the mainstream media made them aware of any one of Biden's "issues," let alone all of them?
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#12 Post by Bob78164 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:06 am

Estonut wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:47 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:28 am
Estonut wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:47 am
If there were such a thing, the mainstream media would be broke and Donald Trump would have been re-elected outright.
If you think that under any circumstances a majority of Americans would have reelected an outright racist in thrall to Russia with the emotional maturity of a two-year-old (my apologies to the more gifted or well-raised two-year-olds), then you must not think much of our fellow citizens.
Change "Russia" to "Ukraine and China" and "emotional maturity" to "intellectual ability," add a credible rape allegation, at least seven other credible #metoo complaints, years of filmed and photographed creepy behavior around non-related women and girls, support of decades of racist legislation, tons of evidence of abuse of power and influence-peddling and you describe your candidate exactly.

Are you unaware of the post-election polls indicating that of those who voted for Biden, a deciding percentage would have voted for Trump, had the mainstream media made them aware of any one of Biden's "issues," let alone all of them?
If you're saying that throwing enough lies at a candidate with enough money behind them can swing the vote, the American people proved that was the case in 2016. And 2004.

Fortunately, this year the media did its job by declining to amplify factually unsupported bullshit. And the American people did their job by throwing a virulent racist in the pocket of a hostile foreign government out of the White House. And just enough Republican officeholders are going to do their jobs by refusing to allow Donny to subvert the expressed will of American voters.

Given how the American people reacted to, "But her e-mails," how do you think the American people would have responded if news of the massive Russian hack of government systems had surfaced before the election? --Bob
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#13 Post by Estonut » Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:23 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:06 am
Estonut wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:47 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:28 am
If you think that under any circumstances a majority of Americans would have reelected an outright racist in thrall to Russia with the emotional maturity of a two-year-old (my apologies to the more gifted or well-raised two-year-olds), then you must not think much of our fellow citizens.
Change "Russia" to "Ukraine and China" and "emotional maturity" to "intellectual ability," add a credible rape allegation, at least seven other credible #metoo complaints, years of filmed and photographed creepy behavior around non-related women and girls, support of decades of racist legislation, tons of evidence of abuse of power and influence-peddling and you describe your candidate exactly.

Are you unaware of the post-election polls indicating that of those who voted for Biden, a deciding percentage would have voted for Trump, had the mainstream media made them aware of any one of Biden's "issues," let alone all of them?
If you're saying that throwing enough lies at a candidate with enough money behind them can swing the vote, the American people proved that was the case in 2016. And 2004.

Fortunately, this year the media did its job by declining to amplify factually unsupported bullshit. And the American people did their job by throwing a virulent racist in the pocket of a hostile foreign government out of the White House. And just enough Republican officeholders are going to do their jobs by refusing to allow Donny to subvert the expressed will of American voters.

Given how the American people reacted to, "But her e-mails," how do you think the American people would have responded if news of the massive Russian hack of government systems had surfaced before the election?
Interesting that all those lies and "factually unsupported bullshit" are proving true, now that the election is over. Do you still think the laptop was Russian disinformation? Even before the election, the FBI said it was not. It was not concocted by Rudy and co. as the FBI had already had it for 11 months. The "letter from 54 former intelligence officials" that your media still refers to today? Had they read it, they would have seen that none of those "experts" had seen the evidence nor had any information about this case whatsoever. They simply felt the need to say that this story sounds as if it may have been Russian disinformation. Your media ran with "debunked by" since it appeared. It did no such thing.

Is stealing the election not subverting the expressed will of American voters? If the allegations are so ridiculous, they should be easily investigated and disproven. The evidence keeps coming in, yet no one wants to validate it.
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#14 Post by Bob78164 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:08 am

Estonut wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:23 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:06 am
Estonut wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:47 am
Change "Russia" to "Ukraine and China" and "emotional maturity" to "intellectual ability," add a credible rape allegation, at least seven other credible #metoo complaints, years of filmed and photographed creepy behavior around non-related women and girls, support of decades of racist legislation, tons of evidence of abuse of power and influence-peddling and you describe your candidate exactly.

Are you unaware of the post-election polls indicating that of those who voted for Biden, a deciding percentage would have voted for Trump, had the mainstream media made them aware of any one of Biden's "issues," let alone all of them?
If you're saying that throwing enough lies at a candidate with enough money behind them can swing the vote, the American people proved that was the case in 2016. And 2004.

Fortunately, this year the media did its job by declining to amplify factually unsupported bullshit. And the American people did their job by throwing a virulent racist in the pocket of a hostile foreign government out of the White House. And just enough Republican officeholders are going to do their jobs by refusing to allow Donny to subvert the expressed will of American voters.

Given how the American people reacted to, "But her e-mails," how do you think the American people would have responded if news of the massive Russian hack of government systems had surfaced before the election?
Interesting that all those lies and "factually unsupported bullshit" are proving true, now that the election is over. Do you still think the laptop was Russian disinformation? Even before the election, the FBI said it was not. It was not concocted by Rudy and co. as the FBI had already had it for 11 months. The "letter from 54 former intelligence officials" that your media still refers to today? Had they read it, they would have seen that none of those "experts" had seen the evidence nor had any information about this case whatsoever. They simply felt the need to say that this story sounds as if it may have been Russian disinformation. Your media ran with "debunked by" since it appeared. It did no such thing.

Is stealing the election not subverting the expressed will of American voters? If the allegations are so ridiculous, they should be easily investigated and disproven. The evidence keeps coming in, yet no one wants to validate it.
The laptop was Russian disinformation. There is no actual evidence that President-elect Biden took, or even planned to take, the claimed meeting.

The only one trying to steal the election is Donny. He has had (at latest count) 57 opportunities to prove his case. He failed each and every one of those times. And you're simply wrong that no one wants to hear the evidence. Several of the decisions have been on the merits, and Donny's claims were rejected (including by judges that he himself appointed) because he had no evidence supporting his claims and because his claims were in any event legally inadequate. At least one of the lawsuits has resulted in a sanctions motion (still pending) against Donny's campaign and his lawyers.

You should be a little careful how you express yourself. Dominion has threatened lawsuits against "news" organizations that have falsely claimed its voting machines switched votes. The "news" organizations have responded by debunking their own stories. That is a very clear sign of a story that's made up from whole cloth -- if they actually had evidence supporting the stories, they'd have stuck to their guns. Making shit up, and amplifying made-up shit, has a potential cost. I'm glad to see people with skin in the game starting to exact that cost. --Bob
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#15 Post by silverscreenselect » Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:19 am

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Do you still think the laptop was Russian disinformation? Even before the election, the FBI said it was not. It was not concocted by Rudy and co. as the FBI had already had it for 11 months.
I'm still awaiting all those arrests that are coming out of the Durham investigation. Not even Bill Barr felt there was enough substance to merit a full-blown investigation of Hunter Biden. It's certainly possible that the IRS may turn up some tax irregularities regarding the younger Biden, but that's far from the huge scandal that the right wing claimed it was.
Are you unaware of the post-election polls indicating that of those who voted for Biden, a deciding percentage would have voted for Trump, had the mainstream media made them aware of any one of Biden's "issues," let alone all of them?
Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, News Max, and the like certainly weren't shy about "informing" the public of the issues regarding Biden. So, the general public had that information available to them. The reason that the mainstream media didn't "make the public aware" of those issues is because the evidence supporting them failed to pass the media's fact-checking standards.

These post-election lawsuits demonstrate just how flimsy these right-wing allegations are. They trumpet all the "evidence" of widespread voter fraud, but when the time comes to prove it in court, they can't even convince a single Trump-appointed judge that there's any merit to them.
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#16 Post by Bob78164 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:43 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:19 am
Estonut wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:23 am
Do you still think the laptop was Russian disinformation? Even before the election, the FBI said it was not. It was not concocted by Rudy and co. as the FBI had already had it for 11 months.
I'm still awaiting all those arrests that are coming out of the Durham investigation. Not even Bill Barr felt there was enough substance to merit a full-blown investigation of Hunter Biden. It's certainly possible that the IRS may turn up some tax irregularities regarding the younger Biden, but that's far from the huge scandal that the right wing claimed it was.
Are you unaware of the post-election polls indicating that of those who voted for Biden, a deciding percentage would have voted for Trump, had the mainstream media made them aware of any one of Biden's "issues," let alone all of them?
Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, News Max, and the like certainly weren't shy about "informing" the public of the issues regarding Biden. So, the general public had that information available to them. The reason that the mainstream media didn't "make the public aware" of those issues is because the evidence supporting them failed to pass the media's fact-checking standards.

These post-election lawsuits demonstrate just how flimsy these right-wing allegations are. They trumpet all the "evidence" of widespread voter fraud, but when the time comes to prove it in court, they can't even convince a single Trump-appointed judge that there's any merit to them.
You don't give the allegations quite as much credence as they deserve. There was a voter-fraud arrest in Pennsylvania. Some guy was so certain that his dead mother would have voted for Donny that he decided to cast her vote for her. --Bob
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