2021 Baseball HoF Ballot

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2021 Baseball HoF Ballot

#1 Post by Vandal » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:32 pm

First-timers:
Mark Buehrle
AJ Burnett
Michael Cuddyer
Dan Haren
LaTroy Hawkins
Tim Hudson
Torii Hunter
Aramis Ramirez
Nick Swisher
Shane Victorino
Barry Zito

Returners (Ballot#):
Bobby Abreu (2nd)
Barry Bonds (9th)
Roger Clemens (9th)
Andruw Jones (4th)
Todd Helton (3rd)
Jeff Kent (8th)
Andy Pettitte (3rd)
Manny Ramirez (5th)
Curt Schilling (9th)
Scott Rolen (4th)
Gary Sheffield (7th)
Sammy Sosa (9th)
Billy Wagner (6th)
Omar Vizquel (4th)
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#2 Post by Bob78164 » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:39 pm

I'm guessing that maybe three of the first-timers survive to see a second year on the ballot: Buehrle, Burnett, and Hunter. Except for Bonds and Clemens, who won't get in, there are no obvious candidates to make the Hall this year. Schilling, Kent, and Jones maybe. --Bob
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#3 Post by Vandal » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:07 am

Given the weak rookie field, this may be the year Schilling gets past his post-retirement wackiness and gets in. Postseason success counts more now than in previous decades.
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#4 Post by T_Bone0806 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:39 am

Tim Hudson may survive his first year on the ballot as well.

Career record: 222-133, 3.49 ERA.

Maybe not quite worthy of anything past a "Hall of Very Good", but certainly, in my opinion, worthy of getting enough votes to stick around for at least another year.
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#5 Post by littlebeast13 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:47 pm

T_Bone0806 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:39 am
Tim Hudson may survive his first year on the ballot as well.

Career record: 222-133, 3.49 ERA.

Maybe not quite worthy of anything past a "Hall of Very Good", but certainly, in my opinion, worthy of getting enough votes to stick around for at least another year.

Semi-major pet peeve of mine, and nothing to do with TBone, because a LOT of baseball people use the term, but.....

How does one get "Hall of Very Good" out of "Hall of Fame?" I think people confuse the name of the institution as the Hall of Great, and it's not. The analytics nerds love to throw that term around when they're using something like WAR as an end-all for evaluation a player's worthiness of being in the Hall....

Remember that.... it's the Hall of FAME!

(Bonus non-peeve fun fact: Tim Hudson is a day younger than me)

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Re: 2021 Baseball HoF Ballot

#6 Post by T_Bone0806 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:38 pm

littlebeast13 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:47 pm
T_Bone0806 wrote:
Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:39 am
Tim Hudson may survive his first year on the ballot as well.

Career record: 222-133, 3.49 ERA.

Maybe not quite worthy of anything past a "Hall of Very Good", but certainly, in my opinion, worthy of getting enough votes to stick around for at least another year.

Semi-major pet peeve of mine, and nothing to do with TBone, because a LOT of baseball people use the term, but.....

How does one get "Hall of Very Good" out of "Hall of Fame?" I think people confuse the name of the institution as the Hall of Great, and it's not. The analytics nerds love to throw that term around when they're using something like WAR as an end-all for evaluation a player's worthiness of being in the Hall....

Remember that.... it's the Hall of FAME!

(Bonus non-peeve fun fact: Tim Hudson is a day younger than me)

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Yeah, it's just a shortcut term, for lack of a better one, for someone you want to give respect to as a really solid player in his day, but who doesn't belong with the elite ones.

And for the record, I hate the analytics crap. I still don't quite get WAR and don't care...and I certainly don't care about the difference in performance when a guy has Wheaties for breakfast as opposed to a bowl of Frosted Flakes.

We are just a couple of steps away from releasing all the players and having teams represented by a couple of folks looking like Robert Carradine in Revenge of the Nerds playing Strat-o-Matic.
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