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Re: Incompetence may have spread the virus

#101 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:31 pm

I see you've appointed SSS as Secretary of the Batphone.
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#102 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:49 pm

Mr President! Mr President!! ABC news is calling Sen Alexander a liar! Which one is lying, Mr President? Can you provide definite proof the Senator is lying?

Follow up! It's being reported the house bill for Wuhan virus relief is being held up because the speaker snuck in funding for abortions. Is that true? If so, what do abortions have to do with the Wuhan flu?
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Re: Incompetence may have spread the virus

#103 Post by Estonut » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:36 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:06 pm
Adopt the Biden plan:
Vice President Biden wrote:The full details are on JoeBiden.com laying out the immediate steps we must take to deliver: A decisive public health response to curb the spread of this disease and provide treatment to those in need; and a decisive economic response that delivers real relief to American workers, families, and small businesses -- and protects the economy as a whole.

Click here to read the plan on my website >>

I offer it as a roadmap, not for what I will do as president 10 months from now, but for the leadership I believe is required right now, at this moment. President Trump is welcome to adopt it today.

The core principle is simple: public health professionals must be the ones making our public health decisions and communicating with the American people.

It would be a step toward reclaiming public trust and confidence in the United States government.

And toward stopping the fear and chaos that can overtake communities faster than this pandemic.

And it’s critical to mounting an effective national response that will save lives, protect our front-line health workers, and slow the spread of this virus.

First, anyone who needs to be tested based on medical guidelines should be tested -- at no charge.

The Administration’s failure on testing is colossal. It is a failure of planning, leadership, and execution.

The White House should measure and report each day how many tests were ordered, how many tests have been completed, and how many have tested positive.

By next week, the number of tests should be in the millions, not the thousands.

We should make sure every person in a nursing home, a senior center, or a vulnerable population has easy access to a test.

We should establish hundreds of mobile testing sites – at least 10 per state – and drive-thru testing centers to speed testing and protect health care workers.

The CDC, private labs, universities, and manufacturers should be working in lock-step to get this done, and get it done right.

No effort should be spared. No excuses should be made.

Tests should be available to all who need them and the government should stop at nothing to make that happen.

We must know the true extent of this outbreak so we can map it, trace it, and contain it.

Nor should we hide the true number of infections in hopes of protecting political interests or the stock market.

The markets will respond to strong, steady, capable leadership that addresses the root of the problem, not efforts to cover it up.

Second, we need to surge our capability to both prevent and treat the coronavirus, and prepare our hospitals to deal with an influx of those needing care.

This means not just getting out the testing kits and processing them quickly, but making sure communities have the hospital beds, the staff, the medical supplies, and the personal protective equipment necessary to treat patients.

The president should order FEMA to prepare the capacity with local authorities to establish temporary hospitals with hundreds of beds on short notice.

The Department of Defense should prepare for the potential deployment of its resources to provide medical facility capacity and logistical support.

A week from now, a month from now, we could need an instant, 500-bed hospital to isolate and treat patients in any city in the country.

We can do that -- but we aren’t ready yet, and the clock is ticking.

As we take these steps, state, federal, and local authorities need to ensure that there is accurate, up-to-date information easily available to every American so everyone can make an informed decision about when to get tested, when to self-quarantine, and when to seek medical treatment.

And the federal government should provide states and municipalities with clear guidance about when to trigger more aggressive mitigation policies, such as closing schools.

Third, we need to accelerate the development of treatments and a vaccine.

Science takes time. It will still be many months before we have a vaccine that can be proven safe for public use and produced in sufficient quantity to make a difference.

Therapeutics can and should come sooner. That will save lives.

We passed the Cures Act in 2016 to accelerate work at the National Institutes of Health, but now it must have every available resource to speed the process along.

We must fast-track clinical trials within the NIH, while closely coordinating with the Food and Drug Administration on trial approvals, so that the science is not hindered by the bureaucracy.

And, when we do have a vaccine ready to go, it should also be made widely available, free of charge.

We should also immediately restore the White House National Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense -- with a full-time, dedicated coordinator to oversee the response.

Our Administration created that office to better respond to future global health threats after the Ebola crisis in 2014.

It was designed for exactly this scenario.

President Trump eliminated the office two years ago.

Here’s the bottom line -- we have to do what is necessary to beat this challenge sooner rather than later.

I assure you, if we wait for it to worsen then scramble to catch up, the human and economic toll will be far greater and last far longer.

Congress gave the Administration $8 billion last week to fight the virus.

We need to know exactly where that money is going -- how quickly it is going out the door, and how it is being spent.

This brings me to the second half of this challenge -- the economic dislocation the coronavirus will cause in our country.

We must do whatever it takes, spend whatever it takes, to deliver relief for our families and ensure the stability of our economy.

Taking immediate, bold measures to help Americans who are hurting economically right now.

It means we will need bigger and broader measures to shore up economic demand, protect jobs, keep credit flowing to our job creators, and make sure we have the economic firepower we need to weather this storm and get our people and this economy back to full strength as soon as possible.

This crisis will hit everyone, but it will hit folks who live paycheck-to-paycheck the hardest, including working people and seniors.

Another tax cut to Google or Goldman or millionaires won’t get the job done.

Indiscriminate corporate tax subsidies won’t effectively target those who really need help.

We need to place our focus on those who will struggle just to get by.

People are already losing jobs -- we need to replace their wages. That includes workers in the gig economy who lack unemployment insurance.

Parents who are already struggling with childcare costs -- we need to give them relief.

Children who rely on school lunches will need food. And schools will need help ensuring children who do not have easy access to computers can still learn if their schools close.

People who have difficulty paying their rent or mortgage because they’ve been laid off or had their hours cut back -- we need to help them stay in their homes.

Small businesses that will be devastated as customers stay home and events are canceled -- we need to make sure they have access to INTEREST-FREE loans.

It is a national disgrace that millions of our fellow citizens do not have a single day of paid sick leave.

We need -- both -- a permanent plan for paid sick leave and an emergency plan for everyone who needs it due to the outbreak.

Beyond these national measures, my plan also calls for the creation of a State and Local Emergency Fund to make sure governors, mayors, and local leaders who are battling coronavirus on the ground have the resources necessary to meet this crisis head-on.

These funds could be used at the discretion of local leaders for whatever they most need: expanding critical health infrastructure, hiring additional health care and emergency service personnel, or cushioning the wider economic blow this virus will cause our communities.

We need smart, bold, and compassionate leadership that will help contain the crisis, reduce hardship to our people, and help our economy rebound.

But let me be clear: this is just a start.

We must prepare now to take further decisive action, including direct relief, that will be large in scale and focused on the broader health and stability of our economy.

But we can only protect the health of our economy if we do everything in our power to protect the health of our people.

The last point I want to make today is this -- we will never fully solve this problem if we are unwilling to look beyond our own borders and engage fully with the world.

A disease that starts any place on the planet can be on a plane to any city on earth a few hours later. So we have to confront coronavirus everywhere.

We should be leading a coordinated, global response, just as we did for Ebola, that draws on the incredible capability of the U.S. Agency for International Development and our State Department to assist vulnerable nations in detecting and treating coronavirus wherever it is spreading.

We should be investing in rebuilding and strengthening the Global Health Security Agenda, which we launched during our Administration, specifically to mobilize the world against the threat of new infectious diseases.

It can be hard to see the concrete value of this work when everything seems well with the world.

But by cutting our investments in global health, this Administration has left us woefully ill-prepared for the exact crisis we now face.

No President can promise to prevent future outbreaks.

But I can promise you that when I’m president, we will prepare better, respond better, and recover better. We will lead with science.

We will listen to experts and heed their advice.

We will rebuild American leadership and rally the world to meet global threats.

And I will always, always tell you the truth. That is the responsibility of a president. That is what is owed to the American people. Now, and in the difficult days that still lie ahead, I know that this country will summon our spirit of empathy, decency, and unity.

Because, in times of crisis, Americans stand as one.

Volunteers raise their hands to help. Neighbors look out for neighbors. Businesses take care of their workers.

So we will meet this challenge -- together.
I'd bet that Joe couldn't recite even 10% of "his plan" from memory.
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Re: Incompetence may have spread the virus

#104 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:03 pm

Estonut wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:36 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:06 pm
Adopt the Biden plan:
Vice President Biden wrote:The full details are on JoeBiden.com laying out the immediate steps we must take to deliver: A decisive public health response to curb the spread of this disease and provide treatment to those in need; and a decisive economic response that delivers real relief to American workers, families, and small businesses -- and protects the economy as a whole.

Click here to read the plan on my website >>

I offer it as a roadmap, not for what I will do as president 10 months from now, but for the leadership I believe is required right now, at this moment. President Trump is welcome to adopt it today.

The core principle is simple: public health professionals must be the ones making our public health decisions and communicating with the American people.

It would be a step toward reclaiming public trust and confidence in the United States government.

And toward stopping the fear and chaos that can overtake communities faster than this pandemic.

And it’s critical to mounting an effective national response that will save lives, protect our front-line health workers, and slow the spread of this virus.

First, anyone who needs to be tested based on medical guidelines should be tested -- at no charge.

The Administration’s failure on testing is colossal. It is a failure of planning, leadership, and execution.

The White House should measure and report each day how many tests were ordered, how many tests have been completed, and how many have tested positive.

By next week, the number of tests should be in the millions, not the thousands.

We should make sure every person in a nursing home, a senior center, or a vulnerable population has easy access to a test.

We should establish hundreds of mobile testing sites – at least 10 per state – and drive-thru testing centers to speed testing and protect health care workers.

The CDC, private labs, universities, and manufacturers should be working in lock-step to get this done, and get it done right.

No effort should be spared. No excuses should be made.

Tests should be available to all who need them and the government should stop at nothing to make that happen.

We must know the true extent of this outbreak so we can map it, trace it, and contain it.

Nor should we hide the true number of infections in hopes of protecting political interests or the stock market.

The markets will respond to strong, steady, capable leadership that addresses the root of the problem, not efforts to cover it up.

Second, we need to surge our capability to both prevent and treat the coronavirus, and prepare our hospitals to deal with an influx of those needing care.

This means not just getting out the testing kits and processing them quickly, but making sure communities have the hospital beds, the staff, the medical supplies, and the personal protective equipment necessary to treat patients.

The president should order FEMA to prepare the capacity with local authorities to establish temporary hospitals with hundreds of beds on short notice.

The Department of Defense should prepare for the potential deployment of its resources to provide medical facility capacity and logistical support.

A week from now, a month from now, we could need an instant, 500-bed hospital to isolate and treat patients in any city in the country.

We can do that -- but we aren’t ready yet, and the clock is ticking.

As we take these steps, state, federal, and local authorities need to ensure that there is accurate, up-to-date information easily available to every American so everyone can make an informed decision about when to get tested, when to self-quarantine, and when to seek medical treatment.

And the federal government should provide states and municipalities with clear guidance about when to trigger more aggressive mitigation policies, such as closing schools.

Third, we need to accelerate the development of treatments and a vaccine.

Science takes time. It will still be many months before we have a vaccine that can be proven safe for public use and produced in sufficient quantity to make a difference.

Therapeutics can and should come sooner. That will save lives.

We passed the Cures Act in 2016 to accelerate work at the National Institutes of Health, but now it must have every available resource to speed the process along.

We must fast-track clinical trials within the NIH, while closely coordinating with the Food and Drug Administration on trial approvals, so that the science is not hindered by the bureaucracy.

And, when we do have a vaccine ready to go, it should also be made widely available, free of charge.

We should also immediately restore the White House National Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense -- with a full-time, dedicated coordinator to oversee the response.

Our Administration created that office to better respond to future global health threats after the Ebola crisis in 2014.

It was designed for exactly this scenario.

President Trump eliminated the office two years ago.

Here’s the bottom line -- we have to do what is necessary to beat this challenge sooner rather than later.

I assure you, if we wait for it to worsen then scramble to catch up, the human and economic toll will be far greater and last far longer.

Congress gave the Administration $8 billion last week to fight the virus.

We need to know exactly where that money is going -- how quickly it is going out the door, and how it is being spent.

This brings me to the second half of this challenge -- the economic dislocation the coronavirus will cause in our country.

We must do whatever it takes, spend whatever it takes, to deliver relief for our families and ensure the stability of our economy.

Taking immediate, bold measures to help Americans who are hurting economically right now.

It means we will need bigger and broader measures to shore up economic demand, protect jobs, keep credit flowing to our job creators, and make sure we have the economic firepower we need to weather this storm and get our people and this economy back to full strength as soon as possible.

This crisis will hit everyone, but it will hit folks who live paycheck-to-paycheck the hardest, including working people and seniors.

Another tax cut to Google or Goldman or millionaires won’t get the job done.

Indiscriminate corporate tax subsidies won’t effectively target those who really need help.

We need to place our focus on those who will struggle just to get by.

People are already losing jobs -- we need to replace their wages. That includes workers in the gig economy who lack unemployment insurance.

Parents who are already struggling with childcare costs -- we need to give them relief.

Children who rely on school lunches will need food. And schools will need help ensuring children who do not have easy access to computers can still learn if their schools close.

People who have difficulty paying their rent or mortgage because they’ve been laid off or had their hours cut back -- we need to help them stay in their homes.

Small businesses that will be devastated as customers stay home and events are canceled -- we need to make sure they have access to INTEREST-FREE loans.

It is a national disgrace that millions of our fellow citizens do not have a single day of paid sick leave.

We need -- both -- a permanent plan for paid sick leave and an emergency plan for everyone who needs it due to the outbreak.

Beyond these national measures, my plan also calls for the creation of a State and Local Emergency Fund to make sure governors, mayors, and local leaders who are battling coronavirus on the ground have the resources necessary to meet this crisis head-on.

These funds could be used at the discretion of local leaders for whatever they most need: expanding critical health infrastructure, hiring additional health care and emergency service personnel, or cushioning the wider economic blow this virus will cause our communities.

We need smart, bold, and compassionate leadership that will help contain the crisis, reduce hardship to our people, and help our economy rebound.

But let me be clear: this is just a start.

We must prepare now to take further decisive action, including direct relief, that will be large in scale and focused on the broader health and stability of our economy.

But we can only protect the health of our economy if we do everything in our power to protect the health of our people.

The last point I want to make today is this -- we will never fully solve this problem if we are unwilling to look beyond our own borders and engage fully with the world.

A disease that starts any place on the planet can be on a plane to any city on earth a few hours later. So we have to confront coronavirus everywhere.

We should be leading a coordinated, global response, just as we did for Ebola, that draws on the incredible capability of the U.S. Agency for International Development and our State Department to assist vulnerable nations in detecting and treating coronavirus wherever it is spreading.

We should be investing in rebuilding and strengthening the Global Health Security Agenda, which we launched during our Administration, specifically to mobilize the world against the threat of new infectious diseases.

It can be hard to see the concrete value of this work when everything seems well with the world.

But by cutting our investments in global health, this Administration has left us woefully ill-prepared for the exact crisis we now face.

No President can promise to prevent future outbreaks.

But I can promise you that when I’m president, we will prepare better, respond better, and recover better. We will lead with science.

We will listen to experts and heed their advice.

We will rebuild American leadership and rally the world to meet global threats.

And I will always, always tell you the truth. That is the responsibility of a president. That is what is owed to the American people. Now, and in the difficult days that still lie ahead, I know that this country will summon our spirit of empathy, decency, and unity.

Because, in times of crisis, Americans stand as one.

Volunteers raise their hands to help. Neighbors look out for neighbors. Businesses take care of their workers.

So we will meet this challenge -- together.
I'd bet that Joe couldn't recite even 10% of "his plan" from memory.
He couldn't even read it. He probably plaigerized it.
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Re: Incompetence may have spread the virus

#105 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:05 pm

Estonut wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:36 pm
I'd bet that Joe couldn't recite even 10% of "his plan" from memory.
Neither can trump, even though it's much shorter. Since when is it a requirement to memorize speeches?
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#106 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:17 pm

Robert Reich wrote:As the coronavirus outbreak continues to spread across the country, the Trump administration remains determined to cut the budget for the Centers for Disease Control. At a Senate hearing this week, Trump's budget director Russ Vought defended cutting the Health and Human Services budget by $9.5 billion, including a 15 percent cut of $1.2 billion to the CDC and a $35 million cut to the Infectious Diseases Rapid Response Reserve Fund.

It never ceases to amaze me how Trump and his enablers somehow always manage to make a bad situation even worse. They would rather bail out the oil industry and cut taxes for the rich than adequately fund our public health system. Their mismanagement is endangering the American people.
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#107 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:24 pm

Harry Truman wrote:The buck stops here.
Donald Trump wrote:I don't take responsibility at all.
I hope that every Democratic ad from now until election day hangs that quote around Trump's neck.
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#108 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:19 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:24 pm
Harry Truman wrote:The buck stops here.
Donald Trump wrote:I don't take responsibility at all.
I hope that every Democratic ad from now until election day hangs that quote around Trump's neck.
Mr. President! Mr. President! Your batphone secretary is continuing the policy of slamming your predecessor, even though one of your newspapers of record is pretty much agreeing with him. Here's what they said, sir.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/w ... story.html

According to them, it seems that the CDC reserved for itself the task of making and delivering testing kits and then screwed it all up. Your predecessor seems to be right that the federal bureaucracy, redundant regulations, incompetant management and tons of red tape should be blamed. He's been saying that is a big problem with Washington all along. He calls it the swamp.What is your answer to the Washington Post, sir? Are they lying?

Mr. President, are you on record calling Lamar Alexander a liar?

Mr President! Mr President!!!!
Your friendly neighborhood racist. On the waiting list to be a nazi. Designated an honorary 'snowflake'. Trolled by the very best, as well as by BJ. Always typical, unlike others.., Fulminator, Hopelessly in the tank for trump... inappropriate... Flocking himself... Probably a tucking sexist, too... All thought comes from the right wing noise machine(TM)... A clear and present threat to The Future Of Our Democracy.. Doesn't understand anything... Made the trump apologist and enabler playoffs... Heathen bastard... Knows nothing about history... Liar.... don't know much about statistics and polling... Nothing at all about biology... Ignorant Bigot... Potential Future Pariah... Big Nerd... Spiraling, Anti-Trans Bigot.. A Lunatic AND a Bigot.. Very Ignorant of the World in General... Sounds deranged... Fake Christian... Weird... has the mind of a child... has paranoid delusions... Simpleton

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#109 Post by Bob Juch » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:07 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:19 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:24 pm
Harry Truman wrote:The buck stops here.
Donald Trump wrote:I don't take responsibility at all.
I hope that every Democratic ad from now until election day hangs that quote around Trump's neck.
Mr. President! Mr. President! Your batphone secretary is continuing the policy of slamming your predecessor, even though one of your newspapers of record is pretty much agreeing with him. Here's what they said, sir.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/w ... story.html

According to them, it seems that the CDC reserved for itself the task of making and delivering testing kits and then screwed it all up. Your predecessor seems to be right that the federal bureaucracy, redundant regulations, incompetant management and tons of red tape should be blamed. He's been saying that is a big problem with Washington all along. He calls it the swamp.What is your answer to the Washington Post, sir? Are they lying?

Mr. President, are you on record calling Lamar Alexander a liar?

Mr President! Mr President!!!!
You apparently skipped over this part:
While the stories of people who are sick but can’t get tested get widespread attention, President Trump presented the situation very differently on a Friday afternoon visit to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.

“Anybody that needs a test gets a test. Anybody that needs a test. They are all set; they have them out there,” Trump said. “As of right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test can get one.”

Vice President Pence addressed availability of coronavirus tests the same day HHS Secretary Alex Azar said patients would only be tested if a doctor ordered it. (The Washington Post)

‘Maybe I have a natural ability’: Trump plays medical expert on coronavirus by second-guessing the professionals

Production is ramping up, but tests — and the labs and equipment necessary to run them — are still very limited. Even where test kits are available, many states are following strict criteria for who should be tested to avoid overwhelming their labs.

Interviews with a dozen laboratory experts and government health officials reveal a six-week series of glitches, missed opportunities and delays that contributed to the shortage.

“They’ve simply lost time they can’t make up. You can’t get back six weeks of blindness,” said Jeremy Konyndyk, who oversaw the international response to Ebola during the Obama administration and is a senior policy fellow at the Center for Global Development. “To the extent that there’s someone to blame here, the blame is on poor, chaotic management from the White House and failure to acknowledge the big picture.
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Re: Incompetence may have spread the virus

#110 Post by Estonut » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:48 am

Bob Juch wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:05 pm
Estonut wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:36 pm
I'd bet that Joe couldn't recite even 10% of "his plan" from memory.
Neither can trump, even though it's much shorter. Since when is it a requirement to memorize speeches?
That wasn't the point, moron.
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#111 Post by silverscreenselect » Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:58 am

I will give Trump (or his advisers) credit for being focused in this crisis. At his press conference, he surrounded himself with CEOs from Target, Walmart, Walgreen, CVS, and other companies to remind investors that those companies stand to make out like bandits during the crisis. He also announced he's going to but a lot of oil to replenish our strategic reserve that's already full. And let's not forget the $1.5 trillion that's going to shore up financial institutions. In the meantime, Mitch McConnell sends the Senate home rather than deal with the relief package for workers that the House passed. After all, Trump's number one priority to make sure the Dow Jones average recovers.
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#112 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:21 am

Mr President! Mr President! There's a story that your batphone secretary made a very racist statement on some internet board a couple years ago. Are you going to fire him? Do you support having a racist in your cabinet? Are you a racist, sir?
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#113 Post by Bob78164 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:22 pm

This is how Republicans watered down the sick-leave bill as the price of their support:

Companies with 500 or more requirements are exempt from the requirement. Workers in this category are approximately 50% of the work force.

Companies with fewer than 50 employees can seek an exemption from the requirement. That's another 20% of the work force.

The requirement to allow ten days of paid sick leave only applies specifically to the coronavirus -- it doesn't even apply to future pandemics.

I guess now we know why at Donny's press conference he surrounded himself with business CEOs. --Bob
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#114 Post by wbtravis007 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:32 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:21 am
Mr President! Mr President! There's a story that your batphone secretary made a very racist statement on some internet board a couple years ago. Are you going to fire him? Do you support having a racist in your cabinet? Are you a racist, sir?

The extent of your loserishness never ceases to amaze me.

And its consistency.

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#115 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:35 pm

wbtravis007 wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:32 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:21 am
Mr President! Mr President! There's a story that your batphone secretary made a very racist statement on some internet board a couple years ago. Are you going to fire him? Do you support having a racist in your cabinet? Are you a racist, sir?

The extent of your loserishness never ceases to amaze me.

And its consistency.
You get amazed as much as SSS does. It's amazing. Are you in President bobby's cabinet? Reports are there are several homophobic remarks on record from you. What did you do in high school? You will have a difficult time getting confirmed with your record. Just sayin.
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#116 Post by Bob Juch » Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:15 pm

Forbes wrote:Trump: 1,700 Google Engineers Working On Coronavirus Site. Google Says ... Actually, No

President Trump told the nation in a press conference today that Google has 1,700 engineers building a website to help detect coronavirus and facilitate country-wide testing. That’s news to Google, which quickly clarified the situation on Twitter.

Google is just one company in the Alphabet holding company.

Apparently a different Alphabet subsidiary called Verily is working on a small-scale Bay-area website for COVID-19 pre-testing triage. The as-yet-unreleased site will help people understand if they should get tested, and then direct them to appropriate facilities.

It is, however, not even in testing yet, and is currently designated only for the Bay Area: San Francisco and environs.
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#117 Post by Beebs52 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:27 pm

All y'all need to get a hobby. Enuf.
Well, then

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#118 Post by Bob78164 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:55 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:27 pm
All y'all need to get a hobby. Enuf.
Not close to enough.

There's at least one thing we can all do. Stop patronizing businesses, particularly restaurants, that refuse to provide sick leave for their workers. Which all of the large chains can continue to do even after Mitch McConnell brings the Senate back into session sometime next week to pass the bill the House passed at 1:00 a.m. this morning

For those who may be wondering, this isn't an issue in California (and 11 other states and the District of Columbia) because businesses here are required to grant at least a modicum of paid sick leave to their workers. --Bob
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#119 Post by Beebs52 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:24 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:55 pm
Beebs52 wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:27 pm
All y'all need to get a hobby. Enuf.
Not close to enough.

There's at least one thing we can all do. Stop patronizing businesses, particularly restaurants, that refuse to provide sick leave for their workers. Which all of the large chains can continue to do even after Mitch McConnell brings the Senate back into session sometime next week to pass the bill the House passed at 1:00 a.m. this morning

For those who may be wondering, this isn't an issue in California (and 11 other states and the District of Columbia) because businesses here are required to grant at least a modicum of paid sick leave to their workers. --Bob
I'm sure you're at a restaurant now. Get real. The bill that is/will be passed, re hourly workers, explain your problem.
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#120 Post by Bob78164 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:44 am

Beebs52 wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:24 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:55 pm
Beebs52 wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:27 pm
All y'all need to get a hobby. Enuf.
Not close to enough.

There's at least one thing we can all do. Stop patronizing businesses, particularly restaurants, that refuse to provide sick leave for their workers. Which all of the large chains can continue to do even after Mitch McConnell brings the Senate back into session sometime next week to pass the bill the House passed at 1:00 a.m. this morning

For those who may be wondering, this isn't an issue in California (and 11 other states and the District of Columbia) because businesses here are required to grant at least a modicum of paid sick leave to their workers. --Bob
I'm sure you're at a restaurant now. Get real. The bill that is/will be passed, re hourly workers, explain your problem.
It doesn't actually cover most hourly workers. Specifically, any employers that employ more than 500 employees are automatically exempt, and any employers that employ fewer than 50 workers can apply for an exemption.

I'm thinking that employers such as McDonald's and Walmart can afford sick leave. --Bob
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#121 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:12 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:44 am
Beebs52 wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:24 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:55 pm
Not close to enough.

There's at least one thing we can all do. Stop patronizing businesses, particularly restaurants, that refuse to provide sick leave for their workers. Which all of the large chains can continue to do even after Mitch McConnell brings the Senate back into session sometime next week to pass the bill the House passed at 1:00 a.m. this morning

For those who may be wondering, this isn't an issue in California (and 11 other states and the District of Columbia) because businesses here are required to grant at least a modicum of paid sick leave to their workers. --Bob
I'm sure you're at a restaurant now. Get real. The bill that is/will be passed, re hourly workers, explain your problem.
It doesn't actually cover most hourly workers. Specifically, any employers that employ more than 500 employees are automatically exempt, and any employers that employ fewer than 50 workers can apply for an exemption.

I'm thinking that employers such as McDonald's and Walmart can afford sick leave. --Bob
But that was the bill that was passed, Mr President. It's called compromise. It's what the congress is supposed to do.
In deference to ms beebs, I will leave you alone, mr president, to continue your whining and complaining about mr trump. I hope you can extrapolate my point. You can continue your politicizing of a national emergency for all to see how shallow your thinking is. It is so easy for those who have one goal: to accumulate power for themselves, to criticize those who actually have to deal with the emergency. To say: if only we had the power, things would be better. We have been doing this bullshit ever since I have been aware, and when the power shifts from one party to another, the roles reverse.
It would be nice, for a change, for the federal government to work together to solve what they can, and have the wisdom to know what they should leave to the states or the people, like the constitution advises.
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#122 Post by silverscreenselect » Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:29 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:12 am
You can continue your politicizing of a national emergency for all to see how shallow your thinking is. It is so easy for those who have one goal: to accumulate power for themselves, to criticize those who actually have to deal with the emergency.
As opposed to people like you and Trump who tried to pooh-pooh and downplay a national emergency for political purposes. The difference is that you and Bob don't have power and Trump does, and his efforts at political damage control through denial are going to cost lives.
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#123 Post by Bob Juch » Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:37 am

Business Insider wrote:President Donald Trump reportedly tried to poach German scientists working on a cure for the coronavirus so he could secure exclusive rights to a potential vaccine for the US only.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-a ... ure-2020-3
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#124 Post by Bob78164 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:42 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:12 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:44 am
Beebs52 wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:24 pm


I'm sure you're at a restaurant now. Get real. The bill that is/will be passed, re hourly workers, explain your problem.
It doesn't actually cover most hourly workers. Specifically, any employers that employ more than 500 employees are automatically exempt, and any employers that employ fewer than 50 workers can apply for an exemption.

I'm thinking that employers such as McDonald's and Walmart can afford sick leave. --Bob
But that was the bill that was passed, Mr President. It's called compromise. It's what the congress is supposed to do.
In deference to ms beebs, I will leave you alone, mr president, to continue your whining and complaining about mr trump. I hope you can extrapolate my point. You can continue your politicizing of a national emergency for all to see how shallow your thinking is. It is so easy for those who have one goal: to accumulate power for themselves, to criticize those who actually have to deal with the emergency. To say: if only we had the power, things would be better. We have been doing this bullshit ever since I have been aware, and when the power shifts from one party to another, the roles reverse.
It would be nice, for a change, for the federal government to work together to solve what they can, and have the wisdom to know what they should leave to the states or the people, like the constitution advises.
This "compromise" is going to force sick workers who should stay home to choose between staying and their paycheck. Some of those workers are going to go to work, spreading the disease. And if Donny had, for once, used the bully pulpit afforded by the Oval Office to push for a clean bill that provides sick leave for everyone, it would have passed that way.

But even in this national emergency, he's more worried about big corporate profits than he is about the health and wellbeing of the American people. --Bob
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#125 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:36 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:42 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:12 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:44 am
It doesn't actually cover most hourly workers. Specifically, any employers that employ more than 500 employees are automatically exempt, and any employers that employ fewer than 50 workers can apply for an exemption.

I'm thinking that employers such as McDonald's and Walmart can afford sick leave. --Bob
But that was the bill that was passed, Mr President. It's called compromise. It's what the congress is supposed to do.
In deference to ms beebs, I will leave you alone, mr president, to continue your whining and complaining about mr trump. I hope you can extrapolate my point. You can continue your politicizing of a national emergency for all to see how shallow your thinking is. It is so easy for those who have one goal: to accumulate power for themselves, to criticize those who actually have to deal with the emergency. To say: if only we had the power, things would be better. We have been doing this bullshit ever since I have been aware, and when the power shifts from one party to another, the roles reverse.
It would be nice, for a change, for the federal government to work together to solve what they can, and have the wisdom to know what they should leave to the states or the people, like the constitution advises.
This "compromise" is going to force sick workers who should stay home to choose between staying and their paycheck. Some of those workers are going to go to work, spreading the disease. And if Donny had, for once, used the bully pulpit afforded by the Oval Office to push for a clean bill that provides sick leave for everyone, it would have passed that way.

But even in this national emergency, he's more worried about big corporate profits than he is about the health and wellbeing of the American people. --Bob
Of course he is, bobby. And we all know that if he did what you just suggested, you would have found something else wrong with it or how he said it, and let us all know about it. Keep going. Tell us how it would be different, and we'd all be living in shangra-la with not a worry in the world if only hillary or joe or bernie or you were pres. And we'll all laugh at you.
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