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Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:16 pm

Sanders is not a Democrat.

HE IS RUNNING AS A DEMOCRAT.

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:45 pm

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:16 pm

Sanders is not a Democrat.

HE IS RUNNING AS A DEMOCRAT.

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:45 pm

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:16 pm

Sanders is not a Democrat.

HE IS RUNNING AS A DEMOCRAT.

He is apparently a communist

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:59 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:45 pm

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:16 pm

Sanders is not a Democrat.

HE IS RUNNING AS A DEMOCRAT.

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:45 pm

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:16 pm

Sanders is not a Democrat.

HE IS RUNNING AS A DEMOCRAT.

He is apparently a communist

If you're going to judge Senator Sanders by the statements allegedly made (assuming O'Keefe didn't invent the whole thing, as he's demonstrated he's perfectly capable of doing) by some low-level campaign worker, it seems only fair to judge Donny by the company he keeps. How many criminal convictions so far? --Bob

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:02 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:59 pm

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:45 pm

HE IS RUNNING AS A DEMOCRAT.

Beebs52 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:45 pm

HE IS RUNNING AS A DEMOCRAT.

He is apparently a communist

If you're going to judge Senator Sanders by the statements allegedly made (assuming O'Keefe didn't invent the whole thing, as he's demonstrated he's perfectly capable of doing) by some low-level campaign worker, it seems only fair to judge Donny by the company he keeps. How many criminal convictions so far? --Bob

I throw that back at you, bobby. If you are judging trump by all these alleged associations he's had, it seems only fair to judge sanders by his supporters, don't you think? Do you want to put all "deplorables" in a gulag? Your logic is impeccable.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:01 am

If you are judging trump by all these alleged associations he's had, it seems only fair to judge sanders by his supporters, don't you think?

I'd venture that most of Sanders' supporters aren't his dinner guests at Mar-a-Lago and won't get high positions in his cabinet if he's elected.

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:55 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:01 am

If you are judging trump by all these alleged associations he's had, it seems only fair to judge sanders by his supporters, don't you think?

I'd venture that most of Sanders' supporters aren't his dinner guests at Mar-a-Lago and won't get high positions in his cabinet if he's elected.

Most of Sanders' supporters are miseducated, indoctrinated socialists who have no idea of the brutal history of socialism and communism. But have no fear. Bernie Sanders will do it right this time.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:25 pm

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:55 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:01 am

If you are judging trump by all these alleged associations he's had, it seems only fair to judge sanders by his supporters, don't you think?

I'd venture that most of Sanders' supporters aren't his dinner guests at Mar-a-Lago and won't get high positions in his cabinet if he's elected.

Most of Sanders' supporters are miseducated, indoctrinated socialists who have no idea of the brutal history of socialism and communism. But have no fear. Bernie Sanders will do it right this time.

What brutal socialist governments have there been? Communist, yes, of course.

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:34 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:25 pm

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:55 am

I'd venture that most of Sanders' supporters aren't his dinner guests at Mar-a-Lago and won't get high positions in his cabinet if he's elected.

Most of Sanders' supporters are miseducated, indoctrinated socialists who have no idea of the brutal history of socialism and communism. But have no fear. Bernie Sanders will do it right this time.

What brutal socialist governments have there been? Communist, yes, of course.

How about Venezuela, for one.

If you would like an opinion that you can discredit by saying the authors are extreme right wingers, they don't know what their talking about, or accusing them of being all in for trump, or perhaps showing us that Rachel Maddow knows more then they do, here's one:

https://economics21.org/how-socialism-d ... -venezuela,

But again, don't worry. Venezuela did it wrong. Bernie will get it right.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:51 am

But again, don't worry. Venezuela did it wrong. Bernie will get it right.

Instead of simply labeling Bernie a socialist as a be-all and end-all that he is therefore the boogie man, what specific policies of his do you think will lead us to ruin?

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:51 am

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:34 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:25 pm

Most of Sanders' supporters are miseducated, indoctrinated socialists who have no idea of the brutal history of socialism and communism. But have no fear. Bernie Sanders will do it right this time.

What brutal socialist governments have there been? Communist, yes, of course.

How about Venezuela, for one.

If you would like an opinion that you can discredit by saying the authors are extreme right wingers, they don't know what their talking about, or accusing them of being all in for trump, or perhaps showing us that Rachel Maddow knows more then they do, here's one:

https://economics21.org/how-socialism-d ... -venezuela,

But again, don't worry. Venezuela did it wrong. Bernie will get it right.

The current Venezuelan government is Communist, not Socialist.

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:42 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:51 am

But again, don't worry. Venezuela did it wrong. Bernie will get it right.

Instead of simply labeling Bernie a socialist as a be-all and end-all that he is therefore the boogie man, what specific policies of his do you think will lead us to ruin?

Pretty much all of them. When you start taking wealth from those who have earned it and give it to those who haven't, as Thatcher put it, sooner or later you run out of other people's money. The only sure way to continue is to eliminate and/or silence those you are taking from.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:54 pm

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:42 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:51 am

But again, don't worry. Venezuela did it wrong. Bernie will get it right.

Instead of simply labeling Bernie a socialist as a be-all and end-all that he is therefore the boogie man, what specific policies of his do you think will lead us to ruin?

Pretty much all of them. When you start taking wealth from those who have earned it and give it to those who haven't, as Thatcher put it, sooner or later you run out of other people's money. The only sure way to continue is to eliminate and/or silence those you are taking from.

A lesson that oil and gas companies have learned far too well. They're defending their tax subsidies by (among other tactics) supporting politicians who would disenfranchise those who oppose the corporate giveaways. --Bob

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:47 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:51 am

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:34 pm

What brutal socialist governments have there been? Communist, yes, of course.

How about Venezuela, for one.

If you would like an opinion that you can discredit by saying the authors are extreme right wingers, they don't know what their talking about, or accusing them of being all in for trump, or perhaps showing us that Rachel Maddow knows more then they do, here's one:

https://economics21.org/how-socialism-d ... -venezuela,

But again, don't worry. Venezuela did it wrong. Bernie will get it right.

The current Venezuelan government is Communist, not Socialist.

No it isn't. Who told you that? Rachel Maddow?
Venezuela was once the most wealthy country in South America. It has an abundance of natural resources. Then they elected a charismatic socialist, Hugo Chavez, who, like Bernie, promised a utopia on earth. Look where they are now, BJ. They are pretty much a dictatorship under Nicky Maduro. That's what Bernie wants. Bernie has more ties to Russia, (or should I say the USSR) than trump could ever hope for.
That's all I will say to you. You're one of those indoctrinated teenagers. Go run along, now.

Bob78164 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:57 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:54 pm

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:42 pm

Instead of simply labeling Bernie a socialist as a be-all and end-all that he is therefore the boogie man, what specific policies of his do you think will lead us to ruin?

Pretty much all of them. When you start taking wealth from those who have earned it and give it to those who haven't, as Thatcher put it, sooner or later you run out of other people's money. The only sure way to continue is to eliminate and/or silence those you are taking from.

A lesson that oil and gas companies have learned far too well. They're defending their tax subsidies by (among other tactics) supporting politicians who would disenfranchise those who oppose the corporate giveaways. --Bob

Blah blah blah. Yeah, we know. And they're both democrat and republican. So what's new? And what does it have to do with what I was talking about? Nothing. Let's just change the subject to something you're outraged about and ignore the main subject.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:54 pm

When you start taking wealth from those who have earned it and give it to those who haven't, as Thatcher put it, sooner or later you run out of other people's money.

Well, the other Westernized countries in the world have been doing this for decades and haven't run out of money yet. and "pretty much all of it" isn't a specific answer. You just like to make grandiose claims about what Bernie or any of the Democrats want to do without examining the specifics. That way you can just call him a socialist and end the discussion.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:07 pm

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:47 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:51 am

How about Venezuela, for one.

If you would like an opinion that you can discredit by saying the authors are extreme right wingers, they don't know what their talking about, or accusing them of being all in for trump, or perhaps showing us that Rachel Maddow knows more then they do, here's one:

https://economics21.org/how-socialism-d ... -venezuela,

But again, don't worry. Venezuela did it wrong. Bernie will get it right.

The current Venezuelan government is Communist, not Socialist.

No it isn't. Who told you that? Rachel Maddow?
Venezuela was once the most wealthy country in South America. It has an abundance of natural resources. Then they elected a charismatic socialist, Hugo Chavez, who, like Bernie, promised a utopia on earth. Look where they are now, BJ. They are pretty much a dictatorship under Nicky Maduro. That's what Bernie wants. Bernie has more ties to Russia, (or should I say the USSR) than trump could ever hope for.
That's all I will say to you. You're one of those indoctrinated teenagers. Go run along, now.

Because I used to live in Venezuela, I have a fair amount of interest in their government and people.

The Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela has a platform that I consider Communist, not Socialist. Remember what the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was?

Today's Russia and Bernie have entirely different agendas.

I am in no way a Bernie supporter.

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:52 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:07 pm

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:47 pm

The current Venezuelan government is Communist, not Socialist.

No it isn't. Who told you that? Rachel Maddow?
Venezuela was once the most wealthy country in South America. It has an abundance of natural resources. Then they elected a charismatic socialist, Hugo Chavez, who, like Bernie, promised a utopia on earth. Look where they are now, BJ. They are pretty much a dictatorship under Nicky Maduro. That's what Bernie wants. Bernie has more ties to Russia, (or should I say the USSR) than trump could ever hope for.
That's all I will say to you. You're one of those indoctrinated teenagers. Go run along, now.

Because I used to live in Venezuela, I have a fair amount of interest in their government and people.

The Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela has a platform that I consider Communist, not Socialist. Remember what the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was?

Today's Russia and Bernie have entirely different agendas.

I am in no way a Bernie supporter.

So you have joined the 2 other experts on the bored who know everything about everything. The world better sit up and take notice that you consider Chavez and Maduro full blown communists. Just so you can excuse the suffering of the people of Venezuela and defend socialism.
Bernie will do it right.

flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:34 pm

The world better sit up and take notice that you consider Chavez and Maduro full blown communists.

And you have yet to mention one specific policy of Bernie Sanders' that you consider socialistic. "Pretty much all of them" is not an answer; it's a copout. Just labelling Sanders a socialist or communist so you can compare him with Chavez is a copout as well.

For the record, I'm not a Sanders supporter either. But that seems to be the stock Republican answer when they don't want to discuss the specifics of Democratic legislation (which on issue after issue, substantial majorities of the American public support). They just copout by shouting socialist or Communist about Sanders, Warren, or anyone else they don't like.

And we got a second Bernie staffer praising the Gulags. But, by all means, make this about Project Veritas because they got the guy talking.

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/stat ... 0768250880

Martin Weissgerber is a Bernie staffer in South Carolina who can't wait to send Republicans to the Gulag and to guillotine the rich.

Most interesting to me is his praise of the Belomorkanal, which was a canal dug from the White Sea to Leningrad. AKA, the White Sea/Baltic Canal.

Fortuitously, that is the section I am currently reading in Gulag Archipelago.

Weissgerber notes that it was dug by hand like that was a good thing. He obviously discounts the horrors of digging a canal by hand through 2 arctic winters.

"Belomorkanal" should be as infamous as Auschwitz and it is a shame that it is not.

Supposedly, he spent a semester studying primary sources about the canal. I noted with interest that he cites an account written by a thief who praised the system after his release.

Well, I doubt how much reading into the Gulags he has actually done. Gulag survivors note (even outside of Solzhenitsyn) that those sentenced as thieves ganged up together and got each other the best jobs and rations.

And just to pick a nit-He said "Belomorkanal" was the first Gulag. I would disagree. I previously mentioned "Solovki" which was the genesis of the Gu;ag system and started earlier than the canal.

Hillary Clinton in Full: A Fiery New Documentary, Trump Regrets and Harsh Words for Bernie: "Nobody Likes Him"

Clinton has lashed out at her enemies before, but up to now they've been Republicans.

Pull quote >>> He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It's all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it. <<<

That means Sanders is the Ted Cruz of the left.

Oh ,and to continue with the theme of how cute communists are when they are small. Weissgerber goes on and on about how ready he is for the Revolution. In his words, he is ready to LEARN to shoot.

That made me laugh.

If he gets his version of the Russian Revolution with attached Civil War-Whites VS Reds-Most of the guys on the White team already know how to shoot.

Here's a typical Donald Trump supporter. So, what's your point. That Veritas could find a couple of wacko Bernie-ites? And from what I heard of the conversation with Weissberger, it appears that the "journalist" was coaxing him on the whole way (and note that both he and Jurek were filmed in bars).

So, your argument here is confusing. Is Bernie Sanders the real face of the Democratic party (leaving aside the fact that he's not a Democrat) or are Democrats cruel because they won't play nice with Bernie?

silverscreenselect wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:46 pm

So, your argument here is confusing. Is Bernie Sanders the real face of the Democratic party (leaving aside the fact that he's not a Democrat) or are Democrats cruel because they won't play nice with Bernie?

You repeated the "Bernie is not a Democrat" thing like BobJ. Forgetting Veritas stuff, you apparently disregard that Bernie is RUNNING AS A DEMOCRAT. Why could that be...oh I dunno.

jarnon wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:39 pm

Hillary Clinton in Full: A Fiery New Documentary, Trump Regrets and Harsh Words for Bernie: "Nobody Likes Him"

Clinton has lashed out at her enemies before, but up to now they've been Republicans.

Pull quote >>> He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It's all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it. <<<

That means Sanders is the Ted Cruz of the left.

I wouldn't have kind words for someone who cost me the Presidency either.

Bob Juch wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:22 pm

jarnon wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:39 pm

Hillary Clinton in Full: A Fiery New Documentary, Trump Regrets and Harsh Words for Bernie: "Nobody Likes Him"

Clinton has lashed out at her enemies before, but up to now they've been Republicans.

Pull quote >>> He was in Congress for years. He had one senator support him. Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him, he got nothing done. He was a career politician. It's all just baloney and I feel so bad that people got sucked into it. <<<

That means Sanders is the Ted Cruz of the left.

I wouldn't have kind words for someone who cost me the Presidency either.

Guess GHW Bush is an anomaly, eh?