Astros and Angels
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:43 pm
Geez louise
Houston Astros outfielder Jake Marisnick was suspended two games on Thursday for his collision with Los Angeles Angels catcher Jonathan Lucroy on Sunday.
Lucroy was hospitalized after suffering a concussion and a broken nose in the collision at home plate. Marisnick was called out for colliding with Lucroy.
"After thoroughly reviewing the play from all angles, I have concluded that Jake's actions warrant discipline," Joe Torre, chief baseball officer for Major League Baseball, said in announcing the suspension. "While I do not believe that Jake intended to injure Jonathan, the contact he initiated in his attempt to score violated Official Baseball Rule 6.01(i), which is designed to protect catchers from precisely this type of collision."
The umpires determined that Marisnick veered out of the baseline and lowered his shoulder to make contact with Lucroy. Marisnick and Lucroy banged heads on the play; the back of Lucroy's head also struck the infield dirt.
Beebs52 wrote:Let me rephrase that. It's fucking bullshit.
BackInTex wrote:If baseball truly wants to prevent this then the rule should be the catcher can't be in the base path blocking the plate until he has the ball, which would be stupid.
I am interested in this perspective, after I watched a video of the collision. It looked like a textbook example of the rule.BackInTex wrote:Beebs52 wrote:Let me rephrase that. It's fucking bullshit.
I agree. When you watch the play Lecroy is in the base path, blocking the plate while waiting for the ball. Jake then cuts inside and AFTER Jake makes his cut inside Lecroy moves inside to catch the ball and apply the tag. Jake did not lower his shoulder to know the ball out or anything. He moved his head further inside to prevent from hitting Lecory (who moved into his path) with his head.
If baseball truly wants to prevent this then the rule should be the catcher can't be in the base path blocking the plate until he has the ball, which would be stupid.
Yes, I think this video is quite clear. Marisnick is running straight down the line until he reaches the dirt cutout. His next step with his left foot is approximately a full foot or more inside the base path. There's no question in my mind that he deviated from his prior path, the deviation caused the collision, and he lowered his shoulder prior to contact. And this is exactly the sort of collision and injury that the rule is designed to prevent.Appa23 wrote:This is a good video of the collision from Astros own site.
https://www.mlb.com/astros/video/all-so ... ick-lucroy
Freeze the video at 1:13 - 1:14, and you can see how far Marisnick deviated into where Lucroy is, rather than Lucroy moving into his path. [Runner is going going straight down foul line from 1:10-1:12, then sharply deviates well inside the line, taking a huge step inside.]
Going "frame by frame" during those few seconds demonstrates that the runner easily could have stayed on his current course and then slid to touch the outer half of the plate.
Then Marisnek should have been called safe.littlebeast13 wrote:BackInTex wrote:If baseball truly wants to prevent this then the rule should be the catcher can't be in the base path blocking the plate until he has the ball, which would be stupid.
The catcher isn't supposed to be blocking off the plate if he doesn't have the ball. I'm pretty sure that was part of the Posey Rule...
lb13
BackInTex wrote:Then Marisnek should have been called safe.littlebeast13 wrote:BackInTex wrote:If baseball truly wants to prevent this then the rule should be the catcher can't be in the base path blocking the plate until he has the ball, which would be stupid.
The catcher isn't supposed to be blocking off the plate if he doesn't have the ball. I'm pretty sure that was part of the Posey Rule...
lb13
What you failed to mention about 1:10-1:12 is Lucroy shifting his right foot from slightly from the front of the path to the center of the base path and shifting his body towards the back, sort of a slight juke and then at the same time as Marisnek changes his course Lucroy reverses his juke. The juke is precisely why Marisnek change course.Appa23 wrote:This is a good video of the collision from Astros own site.
https://www.mlb.com/astros/video/all-so ... ick-lucroy
Freeze the video at 1:13 - 1:14, and you can see how far Marisnick deviated into where Lucroy is, rather than Lucroy moving into his path. [Runner is going going straight down foul line from 1:10-1:12, then sharply deviates well inside the line, taking a huge step inside.]
Going "frame by frame" during those few seconds demonstrates that the runner easily could have stayed on his current course and then slid to touch the outer half of the plate.
Juke? Watch that part of the video a few seconds longer, from 1:26 - 1:33. There is no "juke." The movement of Lucroy's feet and body that you described was all in tracking the ball. He never looked up to see where the runner was. The outside of the plate was wide open for the runner to slide through, but, watching the catcher, he knew it was gonna be close. He did not know the throw would be off, so he blindsided the catcher and ran through him. I feel the call was appropriate.BackInTex wrote:BackInTex wrote:Then Marisnek should have been called safe.littlebeast13 wrote:
The catcher isn't supposed to be blocking off the plate if he doesn't have the ball. I'm pretty sure that was part of the Posey Rule...
lb13What you failed to mention about 1:10-1:12 is Lucroy shifting his right foot from slightly from the front of the path to the center of the base path and shifting his body towards the back, sort of a slight juke and then at the same time as Marisnek changes his course Lucroy reverses his juke. The juke is precisely why Marisnek change course.Appa23 wrote:This is a good video of the collision from Astros own site.
https://www.mlb.com/astros/video/all-so ... ick-lucroy
Freeze the video at 1:13 - 1:14, and you can see how far Marisnick deviated into where Lucroy is, rather than Lucroy moving into his path. [Runner is going going straight down foul line from 1:10-1:12, then sharply deviates well inside the line, taking a huge step inside.]
Going "frame by frame" during those few seconds demonstrates that the runner easily could have stayed on his current course and then slid to touch the outer half of the plate.
I think that the mere fact that Bob and LB agree with me on this matter makes it indisputable.littlebeast13 wrote:Having actually watched the play now, I have to side with Torre's ruling. Lucroy was on the inside of the line the entire time, and Marisnick had a wide open path on the outside the entire time. A juke or two doesn't explain why Marisnick was to the left of the baseline in the first place... most plays at home result in the runner having to go to the right of the catcher to score. If Lucroy had been out there, then he should have been knocked into next week without penalty...
Note, I only support the suspension because the rule says so. I am not a fan of the rule itself... mainly because it was only implemented because one of baseball's golden boys got seriously hurt because of a collision. Only THEN did MLB decide to start caring about concussions...
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