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One joint press conference endorsing Obama by the two of them and it is over--all the superdelegates break for Obama.

Enough. She cannot win. She needs to exit with class--but exit.

Buffacuse wrote:One joint press conference endorsing Obama by the two of them and it is over--all the superdelegates break for Obama.

Enough. She cannot win. She needs to exit with class--but exit.

Yep - NC will continue to break stronger away from her - the margin will be 15% - over 250,000 votes.

It is going to be interesting to watch how Lake County IN comes in.

Doc called IN dead on.

I was surprised by the number of voters at my polling spot today. I've also decided I did the right thing when I registered unaffiliated - I get fewer phone calls and I can decide where I want to vote.

Not counting the delegates from Florida and Michigan would be a huge mistake for the Democratic Party.

I think that she can still do it.

PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:Not counting the delegates from Florida and Michigan would be a huge mistake for the Democratic Party.

I think that she can still do it.

Weren't they told if they moved their primaries, the delegates wouldn't be seated? I think they were, and the voters knew their votes were meaningless, so they didn't vote as they would have. Also the voters couldn't vote properly because all the choices were not available. I don't see how those states' delegates can be seated.

I don't say that because I prefer Clinton or Obama. Either is fine with me. I wont even think it's the ned of the world if we elect McCain.

I say it because the parties in those states screwed up, and their voters should not be misrepresented because of it.

I can't get the columns to align.....but here is the breakdown.
The interesting thing about this race now is the competition isnt in the states anymore after today....the majority of delegates remaining are Super. So this becomes a race behind closed doors.


Delegates: Pledged/Super/Total/Needed
Obama 1,490.5/255/1,745.5/279
Clinton 1,339.5/269.5/1,609/415.5
Remaining 404/270.5/674.5
(2,024.5 delegates needed for victory)

Ritterskoop wrote:

PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:Not counting the delegates from Florida and Michigan would be a huge mistake for the Democratic Party.

I think that she can still do it.

Weren't they told if they moved their primaries, the delegates wouldn't be seated? I think they were, and the voters knew their votes were meaningless, so they didn't vote as they would have. Also the voters couldn't vote properly because all the choices were not available. I don't see how those states' delegates can be seated.

I don't say that because I prefer Clinton or Obama. Either is fine with me. I wont even think it's the ned of the world if we elect McCain.

I say it because the parties in those states screwed up, and their voters should not be misrepresented because of it.

Neither should count!

I don't know about Michigan, but it was the Republican-controlled Florida legislature that moved the primary up.

PlacentiaSoccerMom wrote:I think that she can still do it.

Perhaps, in theory, but at what cost? And would it be a victory worth winning with all that Democratic blood on the floor?

Sure, let the primaries run as scheduled through June. Find a way to seat Florida and Michigan delegates, perhaps in reduced numbers in Florida's case. (At least all names were on the ballot there.) But this agony has got to end -- before the convention.

The Republicans are just waiting for her to drop out of the race to go after Obama with all guns blazing, and his newly found "patriotic" theme is just the type of opening they are looking for.

In case you haven't seen it, there is a photo floating around of Obama's good buddy William Ayers grinning as he stomps all over an American flag in the middle of rubble that is supposed to represent the 9/11 wreckage (it was taken for a magazine article which features Ayers' comments about how he didn't do enough during his Weatherman bombing days). Contrary to Obama's claims that Ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood, he worked for Ayers' foundation for eight years, including two years after the article appeared. So Obama's unsavory, disgustingly un-American connections are not limited to Rev. Wright.

Sadly, the black community is giving 90% support to a guy who doesn't care one bit about them (or anyone else for that matter), and this show of support is going to cost them big time in the long run.

Obama won this election in the month of February when Hillary floundered around because her campaign staff hadn't really planned for it. If she had contested the caucuses with some good planning and lost states like VA and MD by NC-like margins rather than double that, the delegate situation would be nearly dead even.

While I have to admire the way Obama's campaign was organized and prepared to contest 48 states (excluding MI and FL which don't count and apparently aren't needed in the general election), his general lack of character and appeal to sleazy racial tactics have cost him my vote and the vote of many other Clinton supporters. If Bob Barr runs on the Libertarian party, I may vote for him; otherwise, chalk one up for McCain.

Ritterskoop wrote:Weren't they told if they moved their primaries, the delegates wouldn't be seated?

Yes, and you know who was one of the first to say that? Hillary.

She changed her tune when she "won" Florida and Michigan.

That is the true meaning of "disingenuous".

She wants to change the rules she already agreed to.

It is slimy to not acknowledge that.

peacock2121 wrote:She wants to change the rules she already agreed to.

It is slimy to not acknowledge that.

Slimy of her - not of anyone saying stuff about it.

silverscreenselect wrote:The Republicans are just waiting for her to drop out of the race to go after Obama with all guns blazing, and his newly found "patriotic" theme is just the type of opening they are looking for.

In case you haven't seen it, there is a photo floating around of Obama's good buddy William Ayers grinning as he stomps all over an American flag in the middle of rubble that is supposed to represent the 9/11 wreckage (it was taken for a magazine article which features Ayers' comments about how he didn't do enough during his Weatherman bombing days). Contrary to Obama's claims that Ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood, he worked for Ayers' foundation for eight years, including two years after the article appeared. So Obama's unsavory, disgustingly un-American connections are not limited to Rev. Wright.

Sadly, the black community is giving 90% support to a guy who doesn't care one bit about them (or anyone else for that matter), and this show of support is going to cost them big time in the long run.

Obama won this election in the month of February when Hillary floundered around because her campaign staff hadn't really planned for it. If she had contested the caucuses with some good planning and lost states like VA and MD by NC-like margins rather than double that, the delegate situation would be nearly dead even.

While I have to admire the way Obama's campaign was organized and prepared to contest 48 states (excluding MI and FL which don't count and apparently aren't needed in the general election), his general lack of character and appeal to sleazy racial tactics have cost him my vote and the vote of many other Clinton supporters. If Bob Barr runs on the Libertarian party, I may vote for him; otherwise, chalk one up for McCain.

Obama likely will win the nomination based on the fact that the Democratic Party has the epitome of an undemocratic, overly nuanced nomination process. (The opinion/vote of some party hack from Hackensack is worth exponentially more than the common man; proportional apportionment rather than "winner take all"; disenfranchsiing voters rather than finding a simple solution.)

It does seem odd that Clinton shopuld drop out when she would have won the nomination under the rules for the general election.

Given the time and attention in the intervening months, I am waiting to see how many will throw off their blinders and stop being duped by false "hope" before November.

Yeah, I know.

Clinton has said she will not accept the VP spot, but that was referring to the VP spot beneath Obama.

I don't think the GOP would consider it at all, but McCain the Maverick can choose who he wants, can't he?

Wouldn't that be a hoot?

silverscreenselect wrote:If Bob Barr runs on the Libertarian party, I may vote for him; otherwise, chalk one up for McCain.

Dear God...I HAVE been away too long.

Booch wrote:

silverscreenselect wrote:If Bob Barr runs on the Libertarian party, I may vote for him; otherwise, chalk one up for McCain.

Dear God...I HAVE been away too long.

Hearing SSS say he'll vote for a Republican does make your world go topsy-turvy, doesn't it?

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:

Ritterskoop wrote:Weren't they told if they moved their primaries, the delegates wouldn't be seated?

Yes, and you know who was one of the first to say that? Hillary.

She changed her tune when she "won" Florida and Michigan.

That is the true meaning of "disingenuous".

I thought so, too.

In case you haven't seen it, there is a photo floating around of Obama's good buddy William Ayers grinning as he stomps all over an American flag in the middle of rubble that is supposed to represent the 9/11 wreckage (it was taken for a magazine article which features Ayers' comments about how he didn't do enough during his Weatherman bombing days). Contrary to Obama's claims that Ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood, he worked for Ayers' foundation for eight years, including two years after the article appeared. So Obama's unsavory, disgustingly un-American connections are not limited to Rev. Wright.

And the democrats are ready with the footage of McCain with G. Gordon Liddy, his good buddy. Wait and see. It's coming.

Appa23 wrote:Given the time and attention in the intervening months, I am waiting to see how many will throw off their blinders and stop being duped by false "hope" before November.

With the exception of the Rev. Wright affair, Obama has been able to get the mainstream media to drop any serious inquiry into things he doesn't want people to look at. That will stop once Hillary drops out, if only because the media can't play the game if Fox News doesn't abide by the rules. Fox may be biased but by their continuing to cover a story of any relevence whatsoever, they eventually force the other networks to cover it to avoid charges of "liberal bias."

Look for Ayers and Rezko to assume far more prominence along with previously unexplored connections such as Auichi, Obama's Sudanese cousing, and Larry Sinclair. And Obama's largely invented biography, which changed yet again last night with his newfound patriotism appeals, will get a lot more attention.

Obama might be able to overcome this if he actually stood for anything, but he doesn't. He's never consistently supported any position his entire career and his present votes and flip flops will come back to haunt him.

The word is that over half Hillary's supporters have an unfavorable view of Obama and as many as 40% of them may not back him. That's not all Democrats either. There are a number of independents and Republicans willing to vote for Hillary but not Obama in the general election.

The latte liberals, blacks, and a fickle youth group won't be enough for Obama in the general election if he runs off Latinos, working class voters, seniors and a lot of women.

lilyvonschtupp26 wrote:And the democrats are ready with the footage of McCain with G. Gordon Liddy, his good buddy. Wait and see. It's coming.

Gordon Liddy is not quite in the same league as Ayers. Most people find the idea that someone would allow himself to be photographed laughing and stepping on the American flag right after 9/11 right up there with Rev. Wright. And add to that footage of Ayers' bombing victims and Obama has another major PR problem that he can't use the race card to make go away.

lilyvonschtupp26 wrote:And the democrats are ready with the footage of McCain with G. Gordon Liddy, his good buddy. Wait and see. It's coming.

You know what footage I would pay cash money to see on the teevee machine? John McSame together with everybody's favorite treasonous ex-Marine, Ollie North. North would trump Wright, Ayers, and Rezko combined.

silverscreenselect wrote:
The latte liberals, blacks, and a fickle youth group won't be enough for Obama in the general election if he runs off Latinos, working class voters, seniors and a lot of women.

McGovern had the youth vote back in 72, and back then it was a novelty. how'd that work out for the Democrats?

I find it interesting the Obama forces keep pushing this' public mandate' in regard to his campaign. In truth, the only reason he is on the stage at all is because Hillary was the presumptive nominee for ever. Because of this, she failed to organize properly in the caucus states, most of which were front loaded this primary season. Obama forces shrewdly used the energy of its young supporters to mobilize in those states resulting in an almost 2 to 1 bulge in total delegates. Remember, caucuses are local in nature, and anyone who has ever been involved in local politics can tell you that it is possible for a well organized minority to trump a majority on any given night. Since the caucuses were only one night, that was all they needed.

Remove the caucus states, and Hillary leads in total pledged delegates,
without seating Florida and Michigan.

After this year, I think the Superdelegates are the least disfunctual portion of the Democratic Party nominating process.



errata - I just checked my numbers, and one statement above is wrong, because I had left out last nights primary numbers. Obama would currently lead by 12 delegates. Heading into West Virginia & Kentucky, both in Clinton's wheelhouse. According to a poll released yesterday, Hillary leads Barack 62-28 in Kentucky.

I guess Nelly's got some work to do

lilyvonschtupp26 wrote:

In case you haven't seen it, there is a photo floating around of Obama's good buddy William Ayers grinning as he stomps all over an American flag in the middle of rubble that is supposed to represent the 9/11 wreckage (it was taken for a magazine article which features Ayers' comments about how he didn't do enough during his Weatherman bombing days). Contrary to Obama's claims that Ayers was just a guy in the neighborhood, he worked for Ayers' foundation for eight years, including two years after the article appeared. So Obama's unsavory, disgustingly un-American connections are not limited to Rev. Wright.

And the democrats are ready with the footage of McCain with G. Gordon Liddy, his good buddy. Wait and see. It's coming.

Obama buddies with a guy who was a terrorist.

McCain buddies with a guy who planned a break-in.


Let me think about this..........O.K. McCain wins.

Now what?

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:

lilyvonschtupp26 wrote:And the democrats are ready with the footage of McCain with G. Gordon Liddy, his good buddy. Wait and see. It's coming.

You know what footage I would pay cash money to see on the teevee machine? John McSame together with everybody's favorite treasonous ex-Marine, Ollie North. North would trump Wright, Ayers, and Rezko combined.

Up to this, I thought you have a pretty good perspective on current political matters.

In a national election between Oliver North and Rev. Wright, North would win all 50 states, and the territories. D.C. might go to Wright.

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eyégor wrote:
McGovern had the youth vote back in 72,

That makes me feel old, 18 years, 1 week old at the time.