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Kemp made it up

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:50 pm
by Bob78164
To the surprise of absolutely no one, the election-eve accusation leveled by then-Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp that Democrats were under investigation for attempting to hack Georgia's election systems was a complete invention. Or to put it another way, a deliberate lie. He used his office, successfully, to swing his election in the Governor's race.

He got away with it this time. I'm hoping, though, that enough Georgia voters are paying attention and are outraged to make a difference in legislative elections in 2020 and in his reelection campaign in 2022. --Bob

Re: Kemp made it up

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:05 pm
by silverscreenselect
Bob78164 wrote: He got away with it this time. I'm hoping, though, that enough Georgia voters are paying attention and are outraged to make a difference in legislative elections in 2020 and in his reelection campaign in 2022. --Bob
Jon Ossoff has already expressed interest in running for David Perdue's Senate seat in 2020 and Stacy Abrams hasn't made any announcements about what she plans to do in the future, run for the Senate or wait until 2022. We can also expect to get some good candidates lined up in the 7th district which Republican Woodall won by less than 500 votes, the closest result in the country. Ossoff is already scheduling town hall meetings in some rural counties to try to get ahead of the curve in defining who he is.

Re: Kemp made it up

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:15 pm
by Spock
Bob78164 wrote:To the surprise of absolutely no one, the election-eve accusation leveled by then-Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp that Democrats were under investigation for attempting to hack Georgia's election systems was a complete invention. Or to put it another way, a deliberate lie. He used his office, successfully, to swing his election in the Governor's race.

He got away with it this time. I'm hoping, though, that enough Georgia voters are paying attention and are outraged to make a difference in legislative elections in 2020 and in his reelection campaign in 2022. --Bob
Obviously, the Bored has devolved into a low-rent version of CNN/FOX/MSNBC-but seriously, do we have to start bringing up the 2022 election?

Re: Kemp made it up

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:27 am
by flockofseagulls104
silverscreenselect wrote:
Bob78164 wrote: He got away with it this time. I'm hoping, though, that enough Georgia voters are paying attention and are outraged to make a difference in legislative elections in 2020 and in his reelection campaign in 2022. --Bob
Jon Ossoff has already expressed interest in running for David Perdue's Senate seat in 2020 and Stacy Abrams hasn't made any announcements about what she plans to do in the future, run for the Senate or wait until 2022. We can also expect to get some good candidates lined up in the 7th district which Republican Woodall won by less than 500 votes, the closest result in the country. Ossoff is already scheduling town hall meetings in some rural counties to try to get ahead of the curve in defining who he is.
JON OSSOFF!!!!

Re: Kemp made it up

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:19 am
by Saint Ossoff
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:
Bob78164 wrote: He got away with it this time. I'm hoping, though, that enough Georgia voters are paying attention and are outraged to make a difference in legislative elections in 2020 and in his reelection campaign in 2022. --Bob
Jon Ossoff has already expressed interest in running for David Perdue's Senate seat in 2020 and Stacy Abrams hasn't made any announcements about what she plans to do in the future, run for the Senate or wait until 2022. We can also expect to get some good candidates lined up in the 7th district which Republican Woodall won by less than 500 votes, the closest result in the country. Ossoff is already scheduling town hall meetings in some rural counties to try to get ahead of the curve in defining who he is.
JON OSSOFF!!!!


Re: Kemp made it up

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:45 pm
by flockofseagulls104
Bob78164 wrote:To the surprise of absolutely no one, the election-eve accusation leveled by then-Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp that Democrats were under investigation for attempting to hack Georgia's election systems was a complete invention. Or to put it another way, a deliberate lie. He used his office, successfully, to swing his election in the Governor's race.

He got away with it this time. I'm hoping, though, that enough Georgia voters are paying attention and are outraged to make a difference in legislative elections in 2020 and in his reelection campaign in 2022. --Bob
Evidence?

Re: Kemp made it up

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:01 pm
by silverscreenselect
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:To the surprise of absolutely no one, the election-eve accusation leveled by then-Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp that Democrats were under investigation for attempting to hack Georgia's election systems was a complete invention. Or to put it another way, a deliberate lie. He used his office, successfully, to swing his election in the Governor's race.

He got away with it this time. I'm hoping, though, that enough Georgia voters are paying attention and are outraged to make a difference in legislative elections in 2020 and in his reelection campaign in 2022. --Bob
Evidence?
Evidence that the claims he made were completely without merit? I think what's transpired since then kind of proves the point.

Re: Kemp made it up

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:02 pm
by flockofseagulls104
silverscreenselect wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:To the surprise of absolutely no one, the election-eve accusation leveled by then-Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp that Democrats were under investigation for attempting to hack Georgia's election systems was a complete invention. Or to put it another way, a deliberate lie. He used his office, successfully, to swing his election in the Governor's race.

He got away with it this time. I'm hoping, though, that enough Georgia voters are paying attention and are outraged to make a difference in legislative elections in 2020 and in his reelection campaign in 2022. --Bob
Evidence?
Evidence that the claims he made were completely without merit? I think what's transpired since then kind of proves the point.
Evidence that he made it up.

Re: Kemp made it up

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:27 pm
by Bob78164
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Evidence?
Evidence that the claims he made were completely without merit? I think what's transpired since then kind of proves the point.
Evidence that he made it up.
Here you go. --Bob

Re: Kemp made it up

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:51 am
by flockofseagulls104
Bob78164 wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:
Evidence that the claims he made were completely without merit? I think what's transpired since then kind of proves the point.
Evidence that he made it up.
Here you go. --Bob
Abigail Collazo, the director of strategic communications for Abrams’ campaign, said that as Election Day approached, the Democrat’s staff had begun to think she might win outright, with no runoff. Kemp’s advisers may have had the same thought, she said.“I think they got desperate and felt like they just had to make something up,” Collazo said. Because Kemp could level the allegation through the secretary of state’s office rather than his campaign organization, she said, it may have resonated with more voters.
Evidence.

Re: Kemp made it up

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:35 am
by silverscreenselect
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Abigail Collazo, the director of strategic communications for Abrams’ campaign, said that as Election Day approached, the Democrat’s staff had begun to think she might win outright, with no runoff. Kemp’s advisers may have had the same thought, she said.“I think they got desperate and felt like they just had to make something up,” Collazo said. Because Kemp could level the allegation through the secretary of state’s office rather than his campaign organization, she said, it may have resonated with more voters.
Evidence.
Flock, you have it backwards here.

A Republican candidate for governor, acting in his official capacity as Secretary of State, leveled a very serious charge against the campaign of his opponent. It should be incumbent on him to demonstrate he had some substantial evidence in the first place to make those charges, which fizzled out shortly afterwards, but after the damage was done.

Re: Kemp made it up

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:12 am
by flockofseagulls104
silverscreenselect wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Abigail Collazo, the director of strategic communications for Abrams’ campaign, said that as Election Day approached, the Democrat’s staff had begun to think she might win outright, with no runoff. Kemp’s advisers may have had the same thought, she said.“I think they got desperate and felt like they just had to make something up,” Collazo said. Because Kemp could level the allegation through the secretary of state’s office rather than his campaign organization, she said, it may have resonated with more voters.
Evidence.
Flock, you have it backwards here.

A Republican candidate for governor, acting in his official capacity as Secretary of State, leveled a very serious charge against the campaign of his opponent. It should be incumbent on him to demonstrate he had some substantial evidence in the first place to make those charges, which fizzled out shortly afterwards, but after the damage was done.
I'm referring only to bob-tel's 'factual' assertion that it is a fact that 'Kemp made it up', which in that whole article is only supported by the quote that states the opinion of Abrams' communications director. If you are going to accuse someone personally of something, you need to have more evidence than the opinion of their opponent's mouthpiece. I have no opinion whether he did make it up or didn't. In politics the charges and counter charges made by politicians are all to be taken with masssssssive amounts of salt. Extrapolating, that goes for what and who trumps accuses of something and what his opponents accuse him of.